Extremists fuel anti-women violence in Basra

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GraceAbounds

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Extremists fuel anti-women violence in Basra

Report, IRIN

Nov 24, 2007

BAGHDAD (IRIN) - Anti-women violence in Basra, Iraq's second largest city, about 600 km south of the capital, Baghdad, has increased markedly in recent months and has forced women to stay indoors, police and local NGOs have said.

"Basra is facing a new type of terror which leaves at least 10 women killed monthly, some of them are later found in garbage dumps with bullet holes while others are found decapitated or mutilated," the city's police chief Maj. Gen. Abdel Jalil Khalaf told IRIN in a telephone interview.

"The perpetrators are organized gangs who work under religious cover pretending to spread instructions of Islam but they are far from this religion. They are trying to impose a life style like banning women from wearing western clothes or forcing them to wear head scarf," Khalaf said.

In September, Khalaf added, police found the body of a decapitated woman with that of her also decapitated six-year-old son lying beside her.

"We do believe that the number of murdered women is much higher as more cases go unreported by their families who fear reprisals from extremists," he added.

Extremism culture

Speaking only on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, a woman activist with a local NGO in Basra said that a deteriorated security situation has made the province a hotbed for the extremists.

"(Sunni and Shia) extremists are imposing an extremist culture on the community of Basra, a new culture in our society which leads to bloody violence against women," she said.

"And this culture, which surfaced after the US-led invasion in 2003, added more to the already existing tribal culture which condones family violence against women," she added.

She went on saying that women, who are threatened by extremists, have approached her NGO but they cannot help them as they do not have shelters or appropriate places in the province for the women to take refuge in.

"Iraq's southern cities in general and specifically Basra don't have these shelters for women, a matter that has derailed our efforts in helping them. And therefore we approach the local police, dignitaries and religious leaders to harbor them. Some of them accept it while others refuse," she said.

The activist added that the issue has been raised many times with local officials in Basra but the city's deteriorated security situation makes women's rights the last on their list of priorities. "And women are left with only two choices: either to leave the city if they can afford it or stay locked in their houses."

Once a peaceful city

Like other parts of Iraq, Basra before the US-led invasion in 2003 was known for its mixed population and active night life with social and night clubs. Basra women had the right to choose their own life-style although it was considered a tribal society.

But now vigilantes patrol the streets of Basra on motorbikes or in cars with dark-tinted windows and no license plates. They accost women who are not wearing the traditional dress and head scarf known as hijab. They also attack men for clothes or haircuts deemed too Western.

Hana Youssif was one of hundreds of Christians who were living peacefully in the once-religiously mixed city, but sectarian violence drove him out.

"My family has been in Basra for ages," said Youssif, a 43-year-old father of four." But sectarian violence forced us to leave all our memories behind," Youssif added.

Youssif, who has ended up in a relative's house in Baghdad, said that troubles started last May when gunmen stopped him as he was walking with his wife and asked her about her clothes and why she did not wear hijab.

"We were beaten so badly that day when I told them that we are Christians and they threatened to kill me if I would not respect Islam in this city."

They don't want to change anyone's way of life or culture; they don't want to take people's freedom of religion away - it is silly to think that way. :smiley24: Yeah right. Where ever terrorists see a weakness, a place to step in and get a stronghold, you can bet they will take it.
 
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You know what, and this is going to sound really cold and heartless, but let them continue their ignorant ways and when there is no one left to help them pro-create, they'll die off with large left or right arms.
 

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There are innocent people in this story. Let them continue their ignorant ways? So if terrorists are invading your neighborhood and killing your neighbors are you just going to sit there and do nothing? I bet the answer would be no if the next person they were going to kill was your wife or child.

To let them continue their ignorant ways would to be to condone them imo.
 

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Grace, I feel your hurt, but it's their own people doing this. This is the same group of people who stoned to death a 19 year old girl who was sitting alone in a car with a man who was not a relative! It's irradication by non-Christ-believing radicals. If there has ever been a finer example of what's wrong with the Islamic faith, I can't give it to you. Maybe the Iraqi people will finally help our troops over there and rat out all of these nut-jobs so that we can finally have a whole lot less violence in that poor, God-forsaken country! If they find it so repulsive, they need to organize and assist in the removal of these al-Queda wanna-be's!
 

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I find it sad that these people misrepresent their religion. It makes it seem like most Islamics are like these nutters because its only things like this about them which make the news. Peaceful Islamics just getting on with their life arn't of interest when reporting news.
 

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Grace, I feel your hurt, but it's their own people doing this.
It is, but it isn't. If I have a killer going around in my neighborhood - is the murderer considered to be my own people? He may be an American and he may even claim to be Christian, but the murderer and I obviously have some huge differences between the two of us. You don't see me going around killing folks. So to say this is their own people is putting it too simply.

Maybe the Iraqi people will finally help our troops over there and rat out all of these nut-jobs so that we can finally have a whole lot less violence in that poor, God-forsaken country! If they find it so repulsive, they need to organize and assist in the removal of these al-Queda wanna-be's!
I agree with you here, but it is going to take time.

And unfortunately America has become a country full of a generation of people that want everything right now. They don't truly know what sacrifice and perseverance mean. And others that do will only sacrifice and persevere for their own selfish means and to hell with others.
 

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I find it sad that these people misrepresent their religion. It makes it seem like most Islamics are like these nutters because its only things like this about them which make the news. Peaceful Islamics just getting on with their life arn't of interest when reporting news.

No, the peaceful Islamics are getting murdered by these terrorist freaks.
 

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Stories like this make me sick. The extremists must have a strong grip of fear over these people. I don't understand why this is allowed though? It must be accepted by most islamists in that city or else it would be driven out by good and caring people/islamists.
 

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Exactly, but in Grace's example, she refers to "a murderer" running around. Over there, it isn't "a" murderer, it's hundreds if not thousands of them. And I also agree that the few our soiling the reputations of the many...but it's the "many" that need to start standing up for what's right and take care of this. Not lead our troups down an alley where they get ambushed, not blow up their own people trying to get jobs as police officers and national guardsmen. Sorry, I just think it's a situation that needs to heal itself and if self-inflicted genocide is the answer, so be it.
 

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I used the murderer as an example on a smaller scale; it doesn't change the ethical principle.

But you're right - your solution does come across as cold and heartless. I'll just have to agree to disagree with you on this one.
 

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I just think if the majority lets this go on, then they must agree with this happening.. It's a different culture over there and to face the facts, women are treated horribly and forced into lives of seclusion and unfortunately its accepted and is looked at with not a care.
 

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But we're not talking ethics, we're talking survival. If it means that my kids will grow up in a world that no longer knows what an Islamic Extremist is, I say to hell with them all. Let them burn in hell and think about what we were trying to help them accomplish.
 

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Exactly, but in Grace's example, she refers to "a murderer" running around. Over there, it isn't "a" murderer, it's hundreds if not thousands of them. And I also agree that the few our soiling the reputations of the many...but it's the "many" that need to start standing up for what's right and take care of this. Not lead our troups down an alley where they get ambushed, not blow up their own people trying to get jobs as police officers and national guardsmen. Sorry, I just think it's a situation that needs to heal itself and if self-inflicted genocide is the answer, so be it.
except no. you're worse than them with that thinking.
 

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But we're not talking ethics, we're talking survival. If it means that my kids will grow up in a world that no longer knows what an Islamic Extremist is, I say to hell with them all. Let them burn in hell and think about what we were trying to help them accomplish.
Do you seriously think western civilization will end because of relatively small groups of fundamentalists? Far worse groups have been around for thousands of years and yet here we are.
 

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I'm not saying western civilization, I'm saying civiliazation. People are still around because it's only been 100 years since aircraft first flew, 60 years since the nuclear bomb was first detonated and 6 years since some fucked up Islamic mutha-fucka's hijacked 4 planes and killed over 3000 people. You see the time line getting shorter here?
 

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except no. you're worse than them with that thinking.


How so? I'm not involving any outside sources, like our military or anyone else's military. I don't recall too many other country's jumping in and helping us during the civil war, but then again, that goes back to "progress", I guess.
 
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