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Earth: Is it spherical (as the Koran says )? Or flat (as the Bible says)?
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The Obvious existence of GOD
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There is no GOD ??? .. How so ? .. And where is your proof ?
From the moment man opens his eyes to this world a great order surrounds him. He needs oxygen to survive; it is interesting that the atmosphere of the planet on which he lives provides more than just the adequate amount of oxygen he needs. This way, he breathes without difficulty. For the existence of life on this planet, the existence of a source of heat is essential. In response to this need, the sun is located at just the right distance to emit the exact amount of heat and energy human life needs. Man needs nourishment to survive; every corner of the world abounds in astonishingly diversified provisions. Likewise, man needs water; surprisingly, three-fourths of the planet is covered with water. Man needs shelter; in this world of ours, there is land on which it is suitable to build and all sorts of materials with which to make shelters.
These are only a few among billions of details making life possible on earth. In brief, man lives on a planet perfectly designed for his survival. This is certainly a planet “created for human beings”, as God said in the Quran:
A person’s interpretation of the world rests on “acquired methods of thought.” That is, he thinks in the way he has been taught, or, less kindly, the way in which he is indoctrinated. Under this misguidance, he often dismisses all the aforementioned as “trivial realities.” However, if he does not side-step the matter, and start questioning the conditions making our existence possible, he will surely step out of the boundaries of habitual thinking and start to think:
How does the atmosphere serve as a protective ceiling for the earth?
How does each one of the billions of cells in the human body know and perform its individual tasks?
How does this extraordinary ecological balance exist on earth?
A person seeking answers to these questions surely proceeds on the right path. He does not remain insensitive to things happening around him, and doesn’t plead ignorance about the extraordinary nature of the world. A person who asks questions, who reflects on and gives answers to these questions will realize that, on every inch of the planet, a plan and an order reigns:
How did the flawless order in the whole universe come into being?
Who provided the delicate balances in the world?
How did living beings, incredibly diversified in nature, emerge?
Keeping oneself occupied with relentless research to answer these questions results in a clear awareness that everything in the universe, its order, each living being and structure is a component of a plan, a product of design. Every detail: the excellent structure of an insect’s wing, the system enabling a tree to carry tons of water to its topmost branches, the order of planets, and the ratio of gases in the atmosphere; all are unique examples of perfection.
In every detail of the infinitely varied world, man finds his Creator. God, the owner of everything in the whole universe, introduces Himself to man through the flawless design of His creation. Everything surrounding us, the birds in flight, our beating hearts, the birth of a child or the existence of the sun in the sky, manifest the power of God and His creation. And what man must do is understand this fact.
These purposes owe their existence to the fact that everything has been created. An intelligent person notices that planning, design and wisdom exist in every detail of the infinitely varied world. This draws him to recognition of the Creator.
So you need never plead ignorance that all living beings, living or non-living, show the existence and greatness of God, look at the things around you. Strive to show appreciation in the best manner for the eternal greatness of God. For the existence of God is obvious, and ignoring it would only be the beginning of the greatest damage we could ever do to ourselves. That is simply because God is in no need of anything. He is the One Who shows His greatness in all things and in all ways.
God is the owner of everything, from the heavens to the earth. We learn the attributes of God from the Quran:
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There is no GOD ??? .. How so ? .. And where is your proof ?
From the moment man opens his eyes to this world a great order surrounds him. He needs oxygen to survive; it is interesting that the atmosphere of the planet on which he lives provides more than just the adequate amount of oxygen he needs. This way, he breathes without difficulty. For the existence of life on this planet, the existence of a source of heat is essential. In response to this need, the sun is located at just the right distance to emit the exact amount of heat and energy human life needs. Man needs nourishment to survive; every corner of the world abounds in astonishingly diversified provisions. Likewise, man needs water; surprisingly, three-fourths of the planet is covered with water. Man needs shelter; in this world of ours, there is land on which it is suitable to build and all sorts of materials with which to make shelters.
These are only a few among billions of details making life possible on earth. In brief, man lives on a planet perfectly designed for his survival. This is certainly a planet “created for human beings”, as God said in the Quran:
“Do you not see that God has subjected for you all that is in the Heavens and all that is on the Earth, and has completed and perfected His Bounties upon you, [both] apparent and hidden?...” (Quran 31:20)
A person’s interpretation of the world rests on “acquired methods of thought.” That is, he thinks in the way he has been taught, or, less kindly, the way in which he is indoctrinated. Under this misguidance, he often dismisses all the aforementioned as “trivial realities.” However, if he does not side-step the matter, and start questioning the conditions making our existence possible, he will surely step out of the boundaries of habitual thinking and start to think:
How does the atmosphere serve as a protective ceiling for the earth?
How does each one of the billions of cells in the human body know and perform its individual tasks?
How does this extraordinary ecological balance exist on earth?
A person seeking answers to these questions surely proceeds on the right path. He does not remain insensitive to things happening around him, and doesn’t plead ignorance about the extraordinary nature of the world. A person who asks questions, who reflects on and gives answers to these questions will realize that, on every inch of the planet, a plan and an order reigns:
How did the flawless order in the whole universe come into being?
Who provided the delicate balances in the world?
How did living beings, incredibly diversified in nature, emerge?
Keeping oneself occupied with relentless research to answer these questions results in a clear awareness that everything in the universe, its order, each living being and structure is a component of a plan, a product of design. Every detail: the excellent structure of an insect’s wing, the system enabling a tree to carry tons of water to its topmost branches, the order of planets, and the ratio of gases in the atmosphere; all are unique examples of perfection.
In every detail of the infinitely varied world, man finds his Creator. God, the owner of everything in the whole universe, introduces Himself to man through the flawless design of His creation. Everything surrounding us, the birds in flight, our beating hearts, the birth of a child or the existence of the sun in the sky, manifest the power of God and His creation. And what man must do is understand this fact.
These purposes owe their existence to the fact that everything has been created. An intelligent person notices that planning, design and wisdom exist in every detail of the infinitely varied world. This draws him to recognition of the Creator.
So you need never plead ignorance that all living beings, living or non-living, show the existence and greatness of God, look at the things around you. Strive to show appreciation in the best manner for the eternal greatness of God. For the existence of God is obvious, and ignoring it would only be the beginning of the greatest damage we could ever do to ourselves. That is simply because God is in no need of anything. He is the One Who shows His greatness in all things and in all ways.
God is the owner of everything, from the heavens to the earth. We learn the attributes of God from the Quran:
“God! There is no god but Him, the Living, the Self-Sufficient. He is not subject to drowsiness or sleep. Everything in the heavens and the earth belongs to Him. Who can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them but they cannot grasp any of His knowledge save what He wills. His Footstool encompasses the heavens and the earth and their preservation does not tire Him. He is the Most High, the Magnificent.” (Quran 2:255)
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And where is your proof ?
Where is your proof that God exists, other than you crummy ancient text.
Sylviane88
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NicAuf said:
Why should He be the God of Islam?
Some might say, ‘Granted that this god is a personal and living God, and that He has the attributes which you mentioned, why should He be the God of Islam and not, say the Christian or Jewish God?’ The God of Islam is the God of all true prophets of God from Adam down to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. But it is a basic claim of the religion with which Muhammad came that previous religions (including Christianity and Judaism) have not been kept in their pristine form which those prophets advocated, but have been tampered with and distorted. The only religion whose book has taken upon itself to be preserved from any such distortions is the religion of the last of God’s prophets, namely Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him. This is not to say that everything in those religions is false or bad. No! There is much in them that is good and true; it is only those elements in them that contradict Islam which must be false or bad. But even if they were to be purged of everything that is not in consonance with Islam, they would still be less perfect than Islam is, especially in their conceptions of God, therefore unsuitable for being universal religions.
Having said this, let me give one example of a non-Islamic religious belief which the Quran considers to be a stupendous blasphemy against God, namely that He has children. At the time of the Prophet, some Arabs believed that the angels were the daughters of God, while some Christians believed that Jesus was the son of God, and some Jews believed that Ezra was the son of God. Just as the Quran gave arguments for the impossibility of there being any gods besides the one true God, it also gave elaborate arguments to show the impossibility of Him having a child, whether male or female. If the Creator is one and self-sufficient, then He is also unique, ahad:
“…Nothing is like Him...” (Quran 42:11)
But if so then:
“He neither begets nor is He begotten.” (Quran 112:3)
“…How can He have a child if He has no wife, and if He created everything?...” (Quran 6:101)
But if so then:
“He neither begets nor is He begotten.” (Quran 112:3)
“…How can He have a child if He has no wife, and if He created everything?...” (Quran 6:101)
The Quran is here saying that the claim that God has children contradicts the facts (acknowledged by those who make this claim) that He is the Creator of everything, that He is self-sufficient, and that He has no spouse. Now if He is the creator of everything, this necessarily includes the one who is claimed to be His child. But if this is created by Him, it cannot be His child; it has to be one of His creations. One does not create one’s child; one begets it. If it is insisted that the child is actually begotten and not created by God, this will entail the following false consequences:
The begotten child must be of the same nature as its father, in which case God will not be unique or one.
God will not be the creator of everything.
God will have to have a spouse, who must of course be of the same nature as He is, otherwise they cannot beget anything.
But in that case the number of beings who are of the same nature as God will be raised to three.
If the child is begotten then it cannot be eternal, i.e. it cannot be of the same nature as the father.
It must therefore be temporal; but in that case it has to have a creator. But if the God who is its father cannot at the same time be its creator, then there must be its creator, then there must be another creator besides that God the father; but in that case, this other creator will be the one true creator because it was through his power that the first one was able to beget its son. This will raise the number of gods to four.
No wonder than that the Quran said about those who claimed that God has a child:
“You have indeed come with something most monstrous, of which the skies almost burst, the earth split asunder, and the mountains fall down in utter ruin. All this because of their attributing a child to God.” (Quran 19:89-91)
Cordially - Sylviane
BlackCherry
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Are you referring to the oval shaped earth?
I have one more question for you Sylviane, Does the Koran say that Abraham and Sarah had Isaac and that Abraham and Hagar had Ishmael? What does the Koran say about the blessing God gave to the two boys? I only just heard about this whole thing between the jews and arabs being started because of Isaac and Ishmael. I know they were both Abrahams sons and I would think that Abraham would want them both to be blessed?
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It is impossible for the Earth to be flat. If the Earth were flat, how come no one has checked out what's on the other side of it, yet? Not only that, what's your explanation for how satellites, the space station, the Moon, etc. stay in orbit? How do you explain the various geologic phenomena caused by the magma moving in the Earth's core? Not to mention being able to see the curvature of Earth if you're up high enough. The idea of a flat Earth is fundamentally flawed.
First let's talk about the verse of the mountain !
Be sure he ( devil ) has no supernatural powers like this ( making earth flat ) !
A metaphor used to give an image on how high the mountain was ??? :eek
and after , so what :confused ?
- Why does the writer need all this metaphorical image to tell us how high mountain was ? why ?
- Is it important to talk about a high mountain here ?
- Is the purpose of this verse is to identify the height of the mountain ?
My friend, the purpose of the verse is to see all the world USING the mountain ! .. not the contrary ( as you say ) !.
The purpose of this verse is not to show a very high mountain ! but to use the height of the mountain to see all the world ! ( because the writer thought the earth is flat ! ).
You say that the writer wants to show us the height of the mountain ! why I should know so ? .. Where is the interest of that ( here )?
Understood ? or I repeat ?
Please read all the verse 4/7 .. 4/8 .. 4/9 .. before you answer me !
Of course! .. that's what I want to see
Therefore, you agree that this story is illogical .. Thus, it is not true .. So .. it never happened !
However, it is part of the "Bible" as a true story !
The writer invented the story of his imagination, and then he claimed it is "words of God !"
and it is words of God (until today).
As you know, God never commits error :humm: ! .. So .. is the Bible really the words of God ? it is up to you to respond !
Earth is not flat according to the real god's words ( Koran ) said 1400 years ago: """ And we have made the earth egg shaped. """ Quran 79:30.
Second: the verse of the 4 corners:
Oh !!! it's not more than 3000 years ago !
My friend, you're quite wrong .. like I said before, corner is the limit of something ( area ) .. it is its end .. "four corners" are the four angles of the earth limiting it .. they are the "end" of the earth !:
Job 38:13 """ That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? """.
Jeremiah 16:19 """ O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit """.
Daniel 4:11 """ The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH """.
End of all the earth ??? we are not talking here about only the world ! but about the all the EARTH !!! earth: has it an "end" ?
Unfortunately ! .. This is also wrong ! .. there is a big mistake here ! .. North and South, East and West are not places .. But directions .. The direction is not a place.
Otherwise, someone clarifies (with a drawn scheme) how an angel stands in a place ( corner ) called East ! and another stands in the other place ( corner ) called west etc .. .. I'd really like to see the scheme ! .. this is illogical friends !
And there is no figurative meaning here .. because if the meaning is a "direction" .. why doesn't the writer use the word "direction" instead of "corner" ??? like this:
Chronicles 9:24 """ The gatekeepers were in the four directions, to the east, west, north and south """.
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Finally; please think a lot in this verse of the Koran, said 1400 years ago: """ And we have made the earth egg shaped. """ Quran 79:30.
Cordially - Sylviane
Omg, you realise you are using little more that "I say this, so it's true" you're not even slightly considering my opinions. Which are in fact, what it is, considering I got 100% in my English exam.
You're taking it too literally, and you're just repeating yourself.
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Minor Axis
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Hi everyone
Hey, you never answered if the Quran says that Infidels should be killed?
You religious ideologues, do you really think there can be any meaningful discussion between mortals proving the validity of one source over another?
These books are all about symbology, philosophy, flowery prose, and faith. They are not science books with no scientific basis.I might very well say "I'll search the four corners of the Earth for a Popeye's*!", but if you assume that means I think the Earth is flat... you'd be wrong.
*Popeye's= fast food restaurant with outstanding fried chicken and red beans and rice!!
Minor Axis
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And you have factual evidence of what exactly?
Yes, I believe it is. I have 100% faith in the Bible and believe every word. I may not be able to understand or explain some of the things that are in it and that were written ages ago. I have found that the more I study the Bible more of the "mysteries" become clear. Personally, everytime I open my Bible and read, I feel God is speaking to me, and I am so thankful for that. Thats just my opinion.
How did you decide that a book written by man is the word of God? You realize there was a big meeting back in very old days sponsored by the Church to decide what exactly you would read in the Bible? And that the Bible has been rewritten in multiple languages multiple times. That was mans doing, not God's. Or are you implying that God directed the authors of every book of the Bible to write exactly what they wrote, and then directed the Church what to include in the bible?
You have a right to your faith, it's simple and it makes you feel good, but that does not ensure you are correct. Maybe you'll be surprised on the day of your passing.
Prove it.
You know Bush talked to God before he launched the war in Iraq...at least he said he did. BFD.
HottyToddyChick
Toes in the water...
Here's my theory-
We live in a 3-dimensional world. A sphere is a shape with infinitely many points equidistant from the center in infinitely many directions. A circle is a shape with infinitely many points equidistant from the center within a plane. If you were to place a sphere (3-D) object into a 2-dimensional world, all you would see is a cross section, or circle. So, who's to say God doesn't live in a fourth dimension that we can't fathom and when you pass what ever shape the earth is in 4-D into a 3-D world, you get a sphere. Who's to say that fourth-dimensional shape doesn't have what could be considered corners?
We live in a 3-dimensional world. A sphere is a shape with infinitely many points equidistant from the center in infinitely many directions. A circle is a shape with infinitely many points equidistant from the center within a plane. If you were to place a sphere (3-D) object into a 2-dimensional world, all you would see is a cross section, or circle. So, who's to say God doesn't live in a fourth dimension that we can't fathom and when you pass what ever shape the earth is in 4-D into a 3-D world, you get a sphere. Who's to say that fourth-dimensional shape doesn't have what could be considered corners?
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