Earth: Is it spherical (as the Koran says )? Or flat (as the Bible says)?

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Here's what I think:

It's important that you believe in something, a positive force, creative intelligence etc.

What you call it, is totally your choice. I won't tell you you're wrong, don't tell me I am.

Case closed




I rule...you can thank me later

 

[Sylviane88]

and why is it not more than 3000 years ago?? is this where you say well it can't be as the world was only "created" 3000 years ago even tho there is scientific evidence not theory evidence which proves that life was on earth not only thousands but millions of years ago??

My friend we are not talking here about the beginning of the human .. but about when was the bible written ? not more than 3000 years ago !.

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Who said "my god is better than your god" I never said so ! .. you're free my bro .. I'm not trying to convert anyone to islam ... Indeed .. the same matter happened with me .. even I was atheist .. I decided to search the truth many years ago .. I found it in Islam ( 1 year ago ) .. it was my own choice .. no one forced me to adopt islam .. beleive me it the truth .. and this topic is just a small example.

cordially - Sylviane88

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

My friend we are not talking here about the beginning of the human .. but about when was the bible written ? not more than 3000 years ago !.

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Who said "my god is better than your god" I never said so ! .. you're free my bro .. I'm not trying to convert anyone to islam ... Indeed .. the same matter happened with me .. even I was atheist .. I decided to search the truth many years ago .. I found it in Islam ( 1 year ago ) .. it was my own choice .. no one forced me to adopt islam .. beleive me it the truth .. and this topic is just a small example.

cordially - Sylviane88

It's your truth

Doesn't mean it has to be mine...That was basically my point

Peace Out

 

[triglad]

It's your truth

Doesn't mean it has to be mine...That was basically my point

Peace Out

I'm with BB!

 

[wednesday]

I'm with BB!

:eekYou as well....that man gets about ill tell ya:thumbdown

 

[NicAuf]

Thankfully, I don't believe in God or any gods, having actual factual evidence is an amazing thing.

 

[PinkZebra]

.. So .. is the Bible really the words of God ? it is up to you to respond !

Yes, I believe it is. I have 100% faith in the Bible and believe every word. I may not be able to understand or explain some of the things that are in it and that were written ages ago. I have found that the more I study the Bible more of the "mysteries" become clear. Personally, everytime I open my Bible and read, I feel God is speaking to me, and I am so thankful for that. Thats just my opinion.

 

[Sylviane88]

It's your truth

My bro, it's your opinion .. I can't change it and I don't want to do so. but remember ! :

The truth is one ! no matter whether it is accepted or refused ! .. loved or hated ! .. known or unknown ! .. revealed or hidden !

Yes, I believe it is. I have 100% faith in the Bible and believe every word. I may not be able to understand or explain some of the things that are in it and that were written ages ago. I have found that the more I study the Bible more of the "mysteries" become clear. Personally, everytime I open my Bible and read, I feel God is speaking to me, and I am so thankful for that. Thats just my opinion.

Well you're free in your opinion .. and good luck in your studies about the bible ..

I hope that these questions make you think you really read the God's word !

1- How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26).
(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2).

2- How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:.
(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9).

3- When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4).
(b) Seven thousand (1 Chronicles 18:4).

4- How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
(a) Forty thousand (1 Kings 4:26).
(b) Four thousand (2 Chronicles 9:25).

5- In what year of King Asa’’s reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
(a) Twenty-sixth year (1 Kings 15:33 - 16:.
(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1).

6- Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26).
(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5).

7- Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
(a) 29,818 (Ezra).
(b) 31, 089 (Nehemiah).

8- How many singers accompanied the assembly?
(a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65).
(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67).

9- Who killed Goliath?
(a) David (1 Samuel 17:23, 50).
(b) Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19).


Forgive me ! I really don't want to make you sad ! but as you know ! the truth is the truth. it has to be revealed !

Cordially - Sylviane

 

[PinkZebra]

Well you're free in your opinion .. and good luck in your studies about the bible ..


Forgive me ! I really don't want to make you sad ! but as you know ! the truth is the truth. it has to be revealed !Cordially - Sylviane

I'm not sad at all. I know there a lot of things in the Bible I do not understand yet.....

I have a couple of questions for you sylviane,: who wrote the Koran? Does it have any discrepencies?
I'm just curious. I know nothing about the Koran, just that its what muslims read. Is it holy like the Bible. Do muslims believe in the Bible? Is there anything in the Koran thats in the Bible. Is Jesus in the Koran?

 

[Anie]

Kinda silly that the Koran would explain the earth being egg shaped, no planet can sustain itself being egg shaped. So basically it disproves the magnetic atmosphere, gravity and many other fun scientific stuff.

Nice.

 

[Sylviane88]

I'm not sad at all.

Happy to hear so !

I have a couple of questions for you sylviane,:who wrote the Koran?

Good questions ! First : I say that Quran was the God's words sent to his prophet Muhammad .. throught the angel "Gabriel" .. it was completed by this verse .. God said:

""" This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion """ - Qur'an 5:3 ​

The strange is that this verse was sent a few days before the death of the prophet Muhammad !​

However .. someone ask: Perhaps Mohammed is the author of the Koran ?​

The answer is strictly a big : NO !​

Quran, in Arabic, could only have been written by ONE of 3 possible sources:

1. the Arabs
2. Mohammad (peace be upon him)
3. God (Allah)


Besides the above mentioned sources, Quran couldn't possibly have been written by ANYONE else.
No other source is possible, because Quran is written in pure, rich, and poetic Arabic, which was not known to anyone other than the above mentioned sources, at that time. The Arabic language was at its peak in expression, richness, vocabulary, artistic, and poetic value during the time the Quran was being revealed. Anyone speaking the classical Arabic ( the Arabic of Quran at the time it was revealed) would argue that a non-Arab entity couldn't possibly have written such an extensive and brilliant piece of literature in the Arabic language. Quran could only have been written by an Arabic speaking entity. An entity, who's knowledge, style, vocabulary, grammar, and way of expression was so powerful that it impacted the entire Arabian peninsula, the east, the west, and continues to impact people all over the globe today!
At no other time, in the history of Arabic language, had it ever achieved its peak in expression, literature, and development, than the time of Arabia during the 6th Century, the time when Quran was being revealed. At no other time in the history of Arabic language had the language ever achieved its highest potential than the time of Arabia during the 6th Century, the time when Quran was being revealed. The language reached its peak in richness, artistic value, and poetry, during that time. With the Arabic language at its peak, and the best of Arabic writers, poets present in Arabia, it is impossible that a non-Arabic speaking entity would write a book like Quran and have such a dynamite impact on the Arabs!
So only an Arabic speaking entity could have write Quran. With that in mind, we're left with three choies:

1 - the Arabs wrote it
2 - Mohammad wrote it
3 - Allah (swt) wrote it

Lets examine the three choices one by one.


1- Arabs Wrote it?


What Quran teaches goes DIRECTLY against the pagan Arab culture, religion, and gods, that existed before the Quran was revealed. Quran condemns idol worshipping, but the Arabs, loved their idol gods, and worshipped them regularly. Quran raised the status of women; the Arabs treated women next to animals. The Arabs would never write something that goes against their most important belief of idol worshipping. Quran goes against most of the social habbits (such as backbiting, slandering, name calling, etc) which the Arabs were heavily indulged into. For example, the Arabs would call insulting nicknames such as Abu Jahal (the father of ignorance). Quran condemns and prohibits taking interest on money, whereas, the Arabs freely levied heavy interest rates in loans and businesses. Quran condemns and prohibits Alcohol drinking, whereas, the Arabs consumed alcohol freely. The Quran condemns and prohibits gambling, whereas, the Arabs were some of the worst gamblers. The Arabs would never write something so comprehensively against just about all of their customs and culture and religious beliefs, as the Quran is.
During the time of the Holy Prophet, the Arabs would indulge in all the social habbits that the Quran condemns and prohibits. How can Arabs then write something that would negate their entire society's norms and ideologies?
Did a group of Arabs or an individual Arab write Quran? Perhaps a rebel Arab beduoin, or a society's misfit, or someone with different ideals and norms decided one day to write Quran? The answer to those questions are also 'no'. Because, if we read Quran, we notice that there is no author! No individual has his/her name written on the cover of Quran! Anytime an individual writes a book, he/she writes his/her name on the cover. The author's name always appears on his/her book, and there is always an author who is credited for writing that book. No one in the history of the world has EVER claimed to have written the Quran, nor anyone's name ever appeared in front of the Quran as bein the 'author'. This is the only book in the world without an author. No one in the world has ever been accused of writing the Holy Quran, except the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), by non-muslims.
Quran has no author, and no group or individual in Arabia ever claimed to have written it, nor any group or an indvidual recited, taught, and explained Quran except the Prophet Mohammad and his followers. The Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) was the only Arabian who first practiced, explained, and preached Quran, and ended up making a lot of Arab tribes enemies. Any historian, Muslim or non-Muslim would argue that the only possible source of Quran can be the Prophet Mohammad, the man responsible to recite it, teach it, and expalin it to the people of Arabia. In fact, many historians today still think that only Mohammad could possibly have written it.
This leads one to conclude that the Prophet must have written it!

2- Mohammad wrote it?


First, he was illiterate !! How can an illiterate person come up with such a rich, poetic, intellectual, and inspiring text that it rocked the entire Arabia?
Mohammad never went to school! No one taught him. He had no teacher of any kind in any subjects. How can he have the knowledge of all the science, astronomy, oceanography, etc that is contained in the Quran? (For example, the mention of ocean currents, stars, earth, moon, sun and their fixed paths in Soorah Rahman; and many other scientific statements that are found in Quran, that I cannot state in this short article)
When Quran was revealed, the Arabic language was at its peak in richness, poetic value, literature, etc. Quran came and challenged the best literature in Arabic, the best poetry in Arabic of the time. Mohammad being illiterate couldnt possibly have come up with something so immaculate that it even exceded the best of poetry, and literature in Arabic at the time of the language's PEAK development. Arabic language had never been so rich in expression, poetic value, vocabulary, and variety in literature, as it was in the time of Quran. At a time like this, Quran came and exceeded the best of Arabic in all aspects of the language: poetry, literature, expression, etc. Any classical Arabic speaker would appreciate the unbeatten, unchallenged, and unmatched beauty of the language of Quran.
An illiterate man is simply not capable of writing such a book.
Mohammad had no reason to come up with something like Quran, and cause the entire society of Arabia to become his enemy. Why would he do something like that? Why would he write something going against almost all of the norms of the society, and lose his family, relatives, friends, and other loved ones, and not to mention all the wealth he lost
Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years! A very long time! Is it possible for someone to maintain the same exact style of Arabic speech , as demonstrated in Quran, for over 23 years?
Also, what the prophet Mohammad (saaw) used to say is recorded in what we call his hadeeth (sunnah). If we look at the Arabic style of the hadeeth, and compare it with the style of Quran, we can clearly see that they are clearly DIFFERENT, and DISTINGUISHABLE Arabic styles. The prophet (saaw) spoke in public. It does not make sense that a man has two UNIQUE, Distinguishable, and completely different styles of speech in public. Yet another reason why Mohammad (saaw) couldn't possibly have written Quran.
Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years ! A very long time! Is it possible for someone to maintain the same exact style of Arabic speech , as demonstrated in Quran over 23 years?

 

[Sylviane88]

The main question is:

- WAS QURAN WRITTEN OR INSPIRED?

"Behold! The angels said: "O Mary! God has chosen you and purified you - Chosen you above the women of all nations." Qur'an-3:42 ​

THE SOURCE OF HIS MESSAGE

"Chosen you above the women of all nations." Such an honour is not to be found given to Mary even in the Christian Bible!
Knowing full-well, and believing as we do, that the whole Quran is the veritable Word of God, we will nevertheless agree, for the sake of argument, with the enemies of Muhammed for a moment, that he wrote it. We can now expect some cooperation from the unbeliever.
Ask him, "Have you any qualms in agreeing that Muhammed was an Arab?" Only an opinionated fool will hesitate to agree. In that case there is no sense in pursuing any discussion. Cut short the talk. Close the book!
With the man of reason, we proceed. "That this Arab, in the first instance, was addressing other Arabs. He was not talking to Indian Muslims, Chinese Muslims, or Nigerian Muslims. He was addressing his own people - the Arabs. Whether they agreed with him or not, he told them in the most sublime form - words that were seared into the hearts and minds of his listeners that Mary the mother of Jesus -A JEWESS- was chosen above the women of all nations. Not his own mother, nor his wife nor his daughter, nor any other Arab woman, but a Jewess! Can one explain this? Because to everyone his own mother or wife, or daughter would come before other women.

Why would the Prophet of Islam honour a woman from his opposition! and a Jewess at that! belonging to a race which had been looking down upon his people for three thousand years? Just as they still look down upon their Arab brethren today.

SARAH AND HAGAR


The Jews get their cock-eyed racism from their Holy Bible, where they are told their father, Abraham, had two wives -Sarah and Hagar. They say that they are the children of Abraham through Sarah, his legitimate wife; that their Arab brethren have descended through Hagar, a "bondwoman", and that as such, the Arabs are inferior breed.
Will anyone please explain the anomaly as to why Muhammed (if he is the author) chose this Jewess for such honour? The answer is simple - HE HAD NO CHOICE - he had no right to speak of his own desire. "IT IS NO LESS THAN AN INSPIRATION SENT DOWN TO HIM." (Qur'an, 53:4).

SURA MARYAM

There is a Chapter in the Holy Quran, named Sura Maryam "Chapter Mary" (XIX) named in honour of Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ; again, such an honour is not to be found given to Mary in the Christian Bible. Out of the 66 books of the Protestants and 73 of the Roman Catholics, not one is named after Mary or her son. You will find books named after Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul and two score more obscure names, but not a single one is that of Jesus or Mary!
If Muhammed was the author of the Holy Quran, then he would not have failed to include in it with MARYAM, the mother of Jesus, his own mother - AMINA, his dear wife - KHADIJA, or his beloved daughter - FATIMA. But No! No! this can never be. The Quran is not his handiwork!

Islam is based on faith that is supported by a number of strong miracles such as knowing what events to take place ahead of time or coming up with supernatural deeds in front of people. The holy Quran has these signs and much more. First, The holy Quran predicted many events to take place ahead of the time of the revelation of that verse; for example, predicting the destruction of Persian empire at a time where the later had a monumental victory over Rome. If the prophet, as some people claim, has written the Quran, then he would have put his future in real jeopardy (50% chance) since neither satellite photos nor on-ground intelligence personnel were available to him at the revelation time. Further, numerous details about many natural phenomena were detailed in the Quran and, until recently, they were proven by experts to be amazingly accurate. For example of the physical development of the fetus inside the womb along with timing given by many verses matches exactly what leading authorities in Embryology are claiming to be recent discoveries. Moreover, verses that gives descriptions about the creation of the universe and the function of mountains in balancing earth and many other descriptions/explanations are available to be read and to be understood. If the prophet was the author, wouldn't he be prone to make weak inferences similar to those who claim that earth is square and whoever says otherwise should be killed?

The prophet also has demonstrated many supernatural miracles not by his own power, but by the power of the creator. He went to Jerasalem back in one night and gave a detailed description of the carnival that was traveling on that route and also specific accedint happend to them at that noght (in those days, it takes a month or so for a round-trip). In another ocasion, he provided water for an entire army from a small plate between his hands. There are many other miracles that require serious truth seeker to read about and to think about it.

From the above, it reasonable to conclude that the Quran is not the PROPHET CREATION. HE HAD NO WAY TO PREDICT ALL THESE EVENTS AND TO BE RIGHT ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN KNOWING THAT THE PROPHET HIMSELFE WAS ILLITERATE!

Well let's see this Book:

"Embryology and Life Sciences in Quran"
"The Developing Human. Clinically Oriented Embryology"
By Prof. Keith L. Moore
5th Edition, Philadelphia, W.B. Saunders Co. (1982)
ISBN 07216 4662-X $33.95

The work by Prof. Keith Moore is probably the most detailed study of the subject. Prof. Keith Moore is Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, University of Toronto.
His books on anatomy and on embryology are used at many medical school as standard instruction books. The Yale Medical school uses both his books. The Yale Bookstore phone number for Medical books is: (203) 772-2081. Their general information number is (203) 432-4771. (New Haven, Connecticut)

He is *the* authority on embryology. I strongly recommend the latest edition of the latter book as it mentions how accurately the Qur'an describes embryo development.
Prof. Moore has said: "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammed from God or Allah because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Mohammed must have been a messenger of God or Allah."

Prof. Marshal Johnson, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia .. He says: "The Qur'an describes not only the development of external form but emphasizes also the internal stages -- the stages inside the embryo of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.... If I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I know today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described. I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Mohammed had to be developing this information from some place, so I see nothing in conflict with the concept that Divine Intervention was involved..."
That leaves us to our third option: It is the God's word !

 

[Sylviane88]

Does it ( Koran ) have any discrepencies?

No ! It doesn't !

Some people claim that the Koran contains contradictions .. But I saw all their mentionned "contradictions" .. And they are not only false .. but stupid and very funny !

Believe me, the Koran is completely free of errors because it is the word of God.

I'm just curious. I know nothing about the Koran, just that its what muslims read.

then my advice is to read some verses of it.

Is it holy like the Bible

It is the only holy book for Muslims​

Do muslims believe in the Bible?​

Muslims believe in the Torah and the Bible .. but not today's bible ! .. Today's bible is not the real bible sent to jesus ( the same matter with the Torah sent to moses ) .. the bible has greatly changed by men and has filled with contradictions ! those men are mentionned in this verse of Koran:​

And among them there are those who are uneducated and know not the Book, but only lies, and they do but conjecture. Woe, then, to those who write the book with their own hands and then say: This is from Allah (2:78-79)​

Is there anything in the Koran thats in the Bible

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There are some stories about some prophet ( moses, abraham, david, jacob, jesus, adam, isaak, and so on .. ) .. but some of them are not the same in the bible.

Is Jesus in the Koran?

Of course he is ! also Mary ! .. If you Want the verses of Quran telling us their story, visit this page:

The complet story of mary and Jesus in the Koran:

http://hiddentruth.in-goo.com/islam-christianity-f17/the-story-of-jesus-and-mary-in-the-quran-t113.htm
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Cordially - Sylviane ​

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[Mase]

Believe me, the Koran is completely free of errors because it is the word of God.

I lol'd

 

[wednesday]

I lol'd

:24::24:so did i!! Its the facT we have to "BELIEVE YOU" to "BELIEVE THE KORAN"...to "BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD".:24::ninjaseriously im confused:24::willy_nilly:

 

[NicAuf]

Believe me, the Koran is completely free of errors because it is the word of God.

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How can it be the word of God, if God does not exist.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Photos from space...Pretty much own the "flat earth theorem"

 

[dt3]

Photos from space...Pretty much own the "flat earth theorem"

That picture was in the Koran :ninja

 

[wednesday]

what r u talking about the earth is triangular....wednesday has spoken.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

That picture was in the Koran :ninja

I can't help that the quran/koran/duran duran pages are flat:ninja