Earth: Is it spherical (as the Koran says )? Or flat (as the Bible says)?

[wednesday]

Fuck it, I'm sold. Allah Akhbar!

:24::24::24::24:

 

[triglad]

Fuck it, I'm sold. Allah Akhbar!

Love it :24::24::24:

 

[Sylviane88]

My opinion of that verse is that there must have been a supernatural occurrance in order for them to see the entire world all at once.

First: Let's see the verse again:

"the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world "​

It's the devil who took him to the montain and showed him the world .. can he ( devil ) make a "supernatural occurrance" ??? this is impossible sista.

Second: there was no mentionned miracle in this verse.

Also supernatural was in getting them to the highest mountain because I don't think they climbed up it....do you?

Taking jesus to the top of the mountain is not difficult for the devil .. but rendering earth flat by him ( devil ) is impossible ( as you know ).

According to the writer of the bible: devil said after that: " “All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me.” " ... so, there was no miracle because it's the devil who showed the world to jesus, not jesus .. and devil cannot render the earth flat.

The main thing here is that they were in the top of the mountain when they saw all the world ( without miracle ) ... and this is impossible because the writer of this verse of the bible thought the earth is flat.

Here's a big "what if" : What if the world was flat at this time and later became round? Maybe God just changed his mind at one point and wanted to rearrange things and shape it into a round ball?​

:eek :eek :eek .. This should be a very big change .. with major implications Geographical and Astronomical later .. How can you say this without proof? There is no evidence about how .. It is quite illogical .. On the contrary, science can prove that there was no change in the way of life of the earth .. this is impossible! sista !

Religious texts are so contradictory it's not even funny​

and what is your opinion about the verse in the Koran ?

Agreed...and hence, the earth isn't round because a book says so. We know it thanks to study, science, technology, etc.​

My bro ! .. science prove what was already said in the Koran.

The Bibles Quotes are figures of speech​

The original used word in Greek is "γωνίας" .. which means: "corners" ... and in all the other languages the used word means clearly " corner " and only corner .. so we can not talk about a figurative meaning here.

Four corners of the earth: Four corners of the Earth is a REALLY old phrase talking about 4 places on Earth that are all as far away as possible from the others as they can be.
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First: There is no reference to this meaning in the Bible .. and no one said so .. Therefore, the Astronomer Galileo Galilei ( 1564 - 1633 ) was condemned by the church ( pope Paul 5 ) because of his discovery on the spherical Earth which refutes the statement in some verses of the Bible.

Second: This is not the real meaning of the word " corner " ( here or in general ) .. for example: when we talk about a football stadium, " corners " are the four angles of the stadium limiting it .. and the angle ( corner ) is the meeting of two borders ( in all the languages ).
but you know that the earth has neither corners nor borders .. it is spherical ( no corners ).

The 2nd Quote: This is a figure of speech because it is saying how high the mountain was, it was SO high he could see the whole world​

My friend ..

First: it is impossible to see the whole world no matter how high the mountain.

Second: let's take for example the highest mountain: "Everest" .. can you see all the world when you are on the top of this mountain ?

Cordially - Sylviane ​

 

[PinkZebra]

First: Let's see the verse again:

"the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world "​

It's the devil who took him to the montain and showed him the world .. can he ( devil ) make a "supernatural occurrance" ??? this is impossible sista.

I'm not sure that he doesn't have supernatural powers.
Seriously, maybe he does.

The main thing here is that they were in the top of the mountain when they saw all the world ( without miracle ) ... and this is impossible because the writer of this verse of the bible thought the earth is flat.

Maybe thats exactly what happened, the author didn't know the earth was round. Or, he just thought they could see the whole world from up there.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Technically.....A circle/sphere can and will fit inside a block.....Technically it is quite possible that you can consider a series of countries/states or locations "corners"

Not to mention the Bible may have been written a day or so before the earth was proven to be round...


Just speculating

 

[Alien Allen]

Religious texts are so contradictory it's not even funny.

Agreed...and hence, the earth isn't round because a book says so. We know it thanks to study, science, technology, etc.

:nod::nod::nod:

:homo:

 

[PinkZebra]

Not to mention the Bible may have been written a day or so before the earth was proven to be round...
Just speculating

Since God inspired the writings of the BIble, I think he knew the earth was round

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Since God inspired the writings of the BIble, I think he knew the earth was round

Never actually been proven.....If it is truly divinely inspired, than there's a few things that have either been removed..or forgotten:ninja

 

[PinkZebra]

One thing that I just thought of.......when the Bible mentions the four corners of the earth, it could mean North, South, East, and West, going back to the idea that this isn't literally "four corners,". Does that make sense?

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

One thing that I just thought of.......when the Bible mentions the four corners of the earth, it could mean North, South, East, and West, going back to the idea that this isn't literally "four corners,". Does that make sense?

That was my point. Well said:nod:

 

[The Joker]

My God, You are the MOST CLOSED MINDED HUMAN BEING I have EVER had the Displeasure to meet!

The Four Corners of the Earth is a saying that goes back THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of years! It is the 4 points that are furthest apart from each other. I don't care if it translates from Greek into corners, CORNER IN ENGLISH IS CORNERS TOO, and I am using them!

And DUDE, exactly, you CANT SEE THE WORLD FROM THE MOUNTAIN! Meaning it ABSOLOUTLEY MUST be used in a figurative sense! It is simply a metaphor used to give an image on how high the mountain was!

 

[Mase]

I really hope this argument doesn't lead to yet another flamewar.

 

[The Joker]

It really just pisses me off when I explain something, then he quotes it, says I'm wrong because of his original reason which I just disproved.

 

[Sylviane88]

First let's talk about the verse of the mountain !

I'm not sure that he doesn't have supernatural powers.
Seriously, maybe he does.

Be sure he ( devil ) has no supernatural powers like this ( making earth flat ) !

And DUDE, exactly, yoU CANT SEE THE WORLD FROM THE MOUNTAIN! Meaning it ABSOLOUTLEY MUST be used ina figurative sense! It is simply a metaphor used to give an image on how high the mountain was!​

A metaphor used to give an image on how high the mountain was ??? :eek

and after , so what :confused ?

- Why does the writer need all this metaphorical image to tell us how high mountain was ? why ?
- Is it important to talk about a high mountain here ?
- Is the purpose of this verse is to identify the height of the mountain ?

My friend, the purpose of the verse is to see all the world USING the mountain ! .. not the contrary ( as you say ) !.

The purpose of this verse is not to show a very high mountain ! but to use the height of the mountain to see all the world ! ( because the writer thought the earth is flat ! ).

You say that the writer wants to show us the height of the mountain ! why I should know so ? .. Where is the interest of that ( here )?

Understood ? or I repeat ?

Please read all the verse 4/7 .. 4/8 .. 4/9 .. before you answer me !

Maybe thats exactly what happened, the author didn't know the earth was round. Or, he just thought they could see the whole world from up there.

Of course! .. that's what I want to see !!!​

Therefore, you agree that this story is illogical .. Thus, it is not true .. So .. it never happened !

However, it is part of the "Bible" as a true story !

The writer invented the story of his imagination, and then he claimed it is "words of God !"

and it is words of God (until today).

As you know, God never commits error :humm: ! .. So .. is the Bible really the words of God ? it is up to you to respond !

Earth is not flat according to the real god's words ( Koran ) said 1400 years ago: """ And we have made the earth egg shaped. """ Quran 79:30.

Second: the verse of the 4 corners:

The Four Corners of the Earth is a saying that goes back THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of years!

Oh !!! it's not more than 3000 years ago !

It is the 4 points that re furthest apart from each other. I don't care if it translates from Greek into corners, CORNER IN ENGLISH IS CORNERS TO, and I am using them!

My friend, you're quite wrong .. like I said before, corner is the limit of something ( area ) .. it is its end .. "four corners" are the four angles of the earth limiting it .. they are the "end" of the earth !:

Job 38:13 """ That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? """.​

Jeremiah 16:19 """ O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit """.​

Daniel 4:11 """ The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH """.​

End of all the earth ??? we are not talking here about only the world ! but about the all the EARTH !!! earth: has it an "end" ?​

One thing that I just thought of.......when the Bible mentions the four corners of the earth, it could mean North, South, East, and West, going back to the idea that this isn't literally "four corners,". Does that make sense?

That was my point. Well said

Unfortunately ! .. This is also wrong ! .. there is a big mistake here ! .. North and South, East and West are not places .. But directions .. The direction is not a place.​

Otherwise, someone clarifies (with a drawn scheme) how an angel stands in a place ( corner ) called East ! and another stands in the other place ( corner ) called west etc .. .. I'd really like to see the scheme ! .. this is illogical friends !​

And there is no figurative meaning here .. because if the meaning is a "direction" .. why doesn't the writer use the word "direction" instead of "corner" ??? like this:​

Chronicles 9:24 """ The gatekeepers were in the four directions, to the east, west, north and south """.​

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Finally; please think a lot in this verse of the Koran, said 1400 years ago: """ And we have made the earth egg shaped. """ Quran 79:30.​

Cordially - Sylviane ​

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

First let's talk about the verse of the mountain !



Be sure he ( devil ) has no supernatural powers like this ( making earth flat ) !



A metaphor used to give an image on how high the mountain was ??? :eek

and after , so what :confused ?

- Why does the writer need all this metaphorical image to tell us how high mountain was ? why ?
- Is it important to talk about a high mountain here ?
- Is the purpose of this verse is to identify the height of the mountain ?

My friend, the purpose of the verse is to see all the world USING the mountain ! .. not the contrary ( as you say ) !.

The purpose of this verse is not to show a very high mountain ! but to use the height of the mountain to see all the world ! ( because the writer thought the earth is flat ! ).

You say that the writer wants to show us the height of the mountain ! why I should know so ? .. Where is the interest of that ( here )?

Understood ? or I repeat ?

Please read all the verse 4/7 .. 4/8 .. 4/9 .. before you answer me !

Of course! .. that's what I want to see !!!​

Therefore, you agree that this story is illogical .. Thus, it is not true .. So .. it never happened !

However, it is part of the "Bible" as a true story !

The writer invented the story of his imagination, and then he claimed it is "words of God !"

and it is words of God (until today).

As you know, God never commits error :humm: ! .. So .. is the Bible really the words of God ? it is up to you to respond !

Earth is not flat according to the real god's words ( Koran ) said 1400 years ago: """ And we have made the earth egg shaped. """ Quran 79:30.

Second: the verse of the 4 corners:



Oh !!! it's not more than 3000 years ago !



My friend, you're quite wrong .. like I said before, corner is the limit of something ( area ) .. it is its end .. "four corners" are the four angles of the earth limiting it .. they are the "end" of the earth !:

Job 38:13 """ That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? """.​

Jeremiah 16:19 """ O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit """.​

Daniel 4:11 """ The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH """.​

End of all the earth ??? we are not talking here about only the world ! but about the all the EARTH !!! earth: has it an "end" ?​

Unfortunately ! .. This is also wrong ! .. there is a big mistake here ! .. North and South, East and West are not places .. But directions .. The direction is not a place.​

Otherwise, someone clarifies (with a drawn scheme) how an angel stands in a place ( corner ) called East ! and another stands in the other place ( corner ) called west etc .. .. I'd really like to see the scheme ! .. this is illogical friends !​

And there is no figurative meaning here .. because if the meaning is a "direction" .. why doesn't the writer use the word "direction" instead of "corner" ??? like this:​

Chronicles 9:24 """ The gatekeepers were in the four directions, to the east, west, north and south """.​

-----

Finally; please think a lot in this verse of the Koran, said 1400 years ago: """ And we have made the earth egg shaped. """ Quran 79:30.​

Cordially - Sylviane ​

If your purpose is to convert folks to Muslim......That's your business......But you should be able to tell you're going to have few obstacles in your path.


I mean this "My God is better than your God" stuff is really rediculous

 

[triglad]

Oh !!! it's not more than 3000 years ago !

and why is it not more than 3000 years ago?? is this where you say well it can't be as the world was only "created" 3000 years ago even tho there is scientific evidence not theory evidence which proves that life was on earth not only thousands but millions of years ago??

 

[wednesday]

why is every one else wrong??

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

why is every one else wrong??

My God can beat your God up:ninja

 

[wednesday]

I dont think sooo...my god does karate..

 

[triglad]

why is every one else wrong??

Exactly, its hardly like any religious text was faxed from heaven, its all open to interpretation . . i thought that was the point, noone is right or wrong. People are either closed or open minded! . . .