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Here we go again......you did support legalized torture and I have given linkage to your comments proving you supported legalized torture.
That's a done deal, TM.



Too late to be making last minute conversions for credibility, TM
You got outed for supporting illegal torture and you have even posted engaging in illegal torture.



Indeed. But I'm honest and forthright about it.
But I do not support legalizing torture nor engage in illegal torture as you have.....big difference.



Then don't make claims you can't back up.

There is no last minute exchange...it was my very first exchange,
You responded to it showing you read it.
It has been posted over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again...you responded to it,,showing you read it.
If you dont believe that fine...thats your right.

And one more time...there is no such thing as legalized torture.
And one more time for the record...if boarding was legal then it needs to be illegal now.

Clear enough for you?

What does it take to get that braincell of yours to understand?

Thing is you do understand....but you are merely trolling me.
Crapping every thread with your bullshit.
Over there...other members got tired of you crapping every thread with your bullshit.
You make claims then dont back em up and go on for weeks....this is not normal behavior...you were eventually banned....I never complained once.
You would report posts ...they would read the threads and find out it was you being dishonest...not the posts you were reporting.
I am not trying to sound like a dick,,am just putting things in perspective.
I want no part of your bullshit..I come here to debate....not repeatably have to defend myself against lies.
You repeatably attack me on a personal basis wiith your bullshit....dragging up 3 to 4 year old shit from another forum...grow up dude.
If you have personal issues with me then deal with them accordingly.
Not here....you have my personal email.
 
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Accountable has made an argument you simply avoid.
You debate out of the convenience of the moment and as shown, make claims you apparently have no intention of backing up.

If the Constitution is not the authority for administering the three branches of our government, what is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_constitution


You keep claiming it isn't....so what is?
Fair question.....you made the claim.

His argument is essentially its a state matter...which that part I agree with.
Each state has its own marriage laws.....blood tests time to wait etc.
The feds have defined what marriage is.
So it boils down to do the feds have the right to define marriage.
That is the essence of our argument.

While no authority here nor claiming to be....the feds have been making laws for decades that have nothing to do with the constitution....as long as its not deemed unconstitutional it flies.

I cant change it....do I agree with it?
Yes and no.
I can see a need for many of them...but others I do not agree with.
Should the fed role be more limited?....yes
Is the fed role limited enough ...no
See I agree with acc it should be a state matter...but there is nothing stopping the feds from defining marriage.
They did it years ago{defined} and if it was glaringly unconstitutional it would have been caught right off the bat.
 

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There is no last minute exchange...it was my very first exchange,
You responded to it showing you read it.
It has been posted over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again...you responded to it,,showing you read it.
If you dont believe that fine...thats your right.

And one more time...there is no such thing as legalized torture.
And one more time for the record...if boarding was legal then it needs to be illegal now.

Clear enough for you?

What does it take to get that braincell of yours to understand?

Thing is you do understand....but you are merely trolling me.
Crapping every thread with your bullshit.
Over there...other members got tired of you crapping every thread with your bullshit.
You make claims then dont back em up and go on for weeks....this is not normal behavior...you were eventually banned....I never complained once.
You would report posts ...they would read the threads and find out it was you being dishonest...not the posts you were reporting.
I am not trying to sound like a dick,,am just putting things in perspective.
I want no part of your bullshit..I come here to debate....not repeatably have to defend myself against lies.
You repeatably attack me on a personal basis wiith your bullshit....dragging up 3 to 4 year old shit from another forum...grow up dude.
If you have personal issues with me then deal with them accordingly.
Not here....you have my personal email.


TM...I have proven with linkage to previous posts you made at another web site where you supported legalized torture.
That is fact in evidence.
You now deny you support torture, But Tim provide linkage here where you indulged in illegal torture.

You aren't fooling anyone.


If you have personal issues with me then deal with them accordingly.
Not here....you have my personal email
Looks to me like you're afraid of something else popping up.
Simple solution........
Don't make false claims you refuse to back up.
 

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His argument is essentially its a state matter...which that part I agree with.
Each state has its own marriage laws.....blood tests time to wait etc.
The feds have defined what marriage is.
So it boils down to do the feds have the right to define marriage.
That is the essence of our argument.

While no authority here nor claiming to be....the feds have been making laws for decades that have nothing to do with the constitution....as long as its not deemed unconstitutional it flies.

I cant change it....do I agree with it?
Yes and no.
I can see a need for many of them...but others I do not agree with.
Should the fed role be more limited?....yes
Is the fed role limited enough ...no
See I agree with acc it should be a state matter...but there is nothing stopping the feds from defining marriage.
They did it years ago{defined} and if it was glaringly unconstitutional it would have been caught right off the bat.


That's non responsive to the claim you made.
 

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TM...I have proven with linkage to previous posts you made at another web site where you supported legalized torture.
That is fact in evidence.
You now deny you support torture, But Tim provide linkage here where you indulged in illegal torture.

You aren't fooling anyone.



Looks to me like you're afraid of something else popping up.
Simple solution........
Don't make false claims you refuse to back up.

One more fucking time.
I said if water boarding was legal then it needs to be illegal now

you responded to that post showing you read it.
Is that clear enough for you?
 

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I think I understand where you are coming from ACC but dont think it applies...In others words DOMA doesnt have to be in relation to the constitution, In other words a law cant be unconstitutional................................


This was your claim, TM.
Did you or did you not post that comment?

DOMA doesnt have to be in relation to the constitution
Constitutionally, why doesn't Federal law have to conform to the Constitution?
That is your claim.
Please post the clause in the Constitution that allows that consideration.


In other words a law cant be unconstitutional......
What were you thinking when you wrote that?
 

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One more fucking time.
I said if water boarding was legal then it needs to be illegal now

you responded to that post showing you read it.
Is that clear enough for you?

So?
You did support legalized torture before it became illegal and you have bragged about committing illegal torture.

ie.......your statements on the subject do not seem trustworthy.:cool
 

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seems like the govt has things backwards

Instead of passing things which are constitutional they pass whatever they think they can get away with and then make it up to others to take it to court to make unconstitutional

In that light DOMA is IMO constitutional until ruled otherwise

Given the way the SC is unpredictable and has time and again made silk out of a sows ear when ruling I have no idea how they will rule.
 

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This was your claim, TM.
Did you or did you not post that comment?


Constitutionally, why doesn't Federal law have to conform to the Constitution?
That is your claim.
Please post the clause in the Constitution that allows that consideration.



What were you thinking when you wrote that?

You havent shown that it is unconstitutional....its up to you to prove it isnt...not me to prove it is.
Thats pretty simple.
ACC has a decent argument...problem is you dont understand it
 

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seems like the govt has things backwards

Instead of passing things which are constitutional they pass whatever they think they can get away with and then make it up to others to take it to court to make unconstitutional

In that light DOMA is IMO constitutional until ruled otherwise

Given the way the SC is unpredictable and has time and again made silk out of a sows ear when ruling I have no idea how they will rule.

That appears to be the case.
Good summation.


I commented earlier:
In a practical sense....the whims of legislators and the Supreme Court.
 
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You havent shown that it is unconstitutional....its up to you to prove it isnt...not me to prove it is.
Thats pretty simple.
ACC has a decent argument...problem is you dont understand it


You seem to forget, I haven't made any claims other than Accountable has created an interesting thread and provided a compelling argument.....well, and you support and engage in torture.

You on the other hand, make claims you refuse to explain.
 

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So?
You did support legalized torture before it became illegal and you have bragged about committing illegal torture.

ie.......your statements on the subject do not seem trustworthy.:cool

There is no such thing as legalized torture...I have never supported legalized torture as it doesn't exists
I have never tortured anyone.
You really need to move on...it has nothing to do with this topic.
 

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I asked you to support that claim, and you deflected once again.
So now I ask you one last time, TM:

What provision in the US Constitution does the Defense of Marriage Act support?

I sent Accountable an answer a little bit after his post..

Right or wrong I sent him and answer in a PM because I wanted others to look it up for themselves should I be right..

After he answers me I am willing to post the answer, again, right or wrong..

Are you willing to answer the question with ONE answer ?
 

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seems like the govt has things backwards

Instead of passing things which are constitutional they pass whatever they think they can get away with and then make it up to others to take it to court to make unconstitutional

In that light DOMA is IMO constitutional until ruled otherwise

Given the way the SC is unpredictable and has time and again made silk out of a sows ear when ruling I have no idea how they will rule.

obama care is an example...sad thing is it flying...as we can still choose to not have insurance...we get taxed if we dont{punishment}
 

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There is no such thing as legalized torture...I have never supported legalized torture as it doesn't exists
I have never tortured anyone.
You really need to move on...it has nothing to do with this topic.

So why keep denying you support and engage in torture when posts you've made say otherwise?
 

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Spit it out, Francis.......we're all on the edge of our chairs :D

In the words of the Terminators... :tooth

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I sent Accountable an answer a little bit after his post..

Right or wrong I sent him and answer in a PM because I wanted others to look it up for themselves should I be right..

After he answers me I am willing to post the answer, again, right or wrong..

Are you willing to answer the question with ONE answer ?

I have answered it the best I can....but yeah post what you have.
If its unconstitutional then it needs to be repealed
 
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