Does pro-abortion have a real defense?

[Tim]

Yeah, we should sterilize the poor and stupid.... that will make the world a much better place

 

[Panacea]

That is why it seems to me that intelligent, successful people should have more kids and discourage drunks/drug users, the low IQ, genetically deformed and the thugs in life from having children. Nothing good will ever come of it.

It's one of those "oh wouldn't it be nice if everyone could be close to perfect?" type things, but to take it any further is walking a dangerous line.

 

[JuggsBunny]

Though impossible, I completely agree. The trend is turning completely opposite of this, with educated, decent people holding off on having kids or opting out all together, like Juggs for one!

Hehehehe!!! Thanks, Panacea!!!

I'd just like to point out this... you very rarely ever see stupid people at a fertility clinic... :24: Some friends of ours are currently going through testing because they've been trying to conceive for three years (she's a chemist, he's a PA) - all the while, someone we know from high school is now pregnant with her fourth. Might I add, 4th kid in 4 years from 4 different fathers??? You could knock me down with a feather...

 

[Alien Allen]

Yeah, we should sterilize the poor and stupid.... that will make the world a much better place

Actually that might be a good idea :humm:



Then we would not have the Democrat party any longer :yahoo::fing27

 

[Panacea]

Hehehehe!!! Thanks, Panacea!!!

I'd just like to point out this... you very rarely ever see stupid people at a fertility clinic... :24: Some friends of ours are currently going through testing because they've been trying to conceive for three years (she's a chemist, he's a PA) - all the while, someone we know from high school is now pregnant with her fourth. Might I add, 4th kid in 4 years from 4 different fathers??? You could knock me down with a feather...

This is what I mean...it would be *nice* if people who weren't necessarily prepared for a family could hold off or opt out, but that would mean they had the ability to make good decisions...which...is usually the skill they lack :S
It's sad to me. I just watched my pill popping cousin overdose in her food on xanax at Xmas dinner in front of her two kids, and here I am, having never been drunk or done a drug with my boyfriend of the same type and we don't think we want kids. Sigh, it's weird.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Actually that might be a good idea :humm:



Then we would not have the Democrat party any longer :yahoo::fing27

Nah - it would eliminate conservatism. Conservatism = conserving idiocy. What other morons vote for their own demise?

 

[All Else Failed]

Yeah, we should sterilize the poor and stupid.... that will make the world a much better place

Stupid, maybe. Poor, not really. I know plenty of wise people who do not make a lot of money.

It's one of those "oh wouldn't it be nice if everyone could be close to perfect?" type things, but to take it any further is walking a dangerous line.

I can assure you that I am not shooting for some sort of pie-in-the-sky Utopia vision. Utopia-like visions always end in failure because perfection is simply not attainable. What I argue for is a less obstructed society by dangerous people.

 

[JuggsBunny]

This is what I mean...it would be *nice* if people who weren't necessarily prepared for a family could hold off or opt out, but that would mean they had the ability to make good decisions...which...is usually the skill they lack :S
It's sad to me. I just watched my pill popping cousin overdose in her food on xanax at Xmas dinner in front of her two kids, and here I am, having never been drunk or done a drug with my boyfriend of the same type and we don't think we want kids. Sigh, it's weird.

To the bolded... I have a couple of cousins like this... one was hooked on oxy when she had her first baby. The baby was in the NICU for 6 weeks from drug withdrawals. Later on, she tells me "well, A. was my little pill baby". What the FUCK??? Seriously??? And now she's jacked on methadone because she quit heroin and has been going to a clinic to get her high. This was the same cousin my own mother used to compare me to... and all I want to do is say "Are you glad that I didn't follow in her footsteps, Mum?"

And who knows how much the State paid for her daughter in the NICU. Of course, neither she NOR her "baby daddy" had insurance (or jobs at the fucking time) - why hold back on starting a family??? GAH!!!!

 

[The Doc]

I personally would never ever abort a baby, but if someone else decided todo it... its not my problem. I try not to get worked up about things that have nothing todo with me.

 

[anathelia]

That is why it seems to me that intelligent, successful people should have more kids and discourage drunks/drug users, the low IQ, genetically deformed and the thugs in life from having children. Nothing good will ever come of it.

Idiocracy was a dumb movie, but I would imagine that this would truly be the direction we are headed if the unintelligent continue to reproduce while the intelligent either can't or choose not to for one reason or another.

 

[Panacea]

It's funny because the average IQ has increased, from what I've read, but it sure doesn't seem like it.

 

[anathelia]

It's funny because the average IQ has increased, from what I've read, but it sure doesn't seem like it.

IQ doesn't really have anything to do with intelligence though, does it? Just because someone has a low IQ does not mean they aren't intelligent or vice verse.

 

[All Else Failed]

It is hard to determine real intelligence, but it is sort of a "you know it when you see it" thing. Humans can specialize in intelligence, such as "mechanical" intelligence, "interpersonal" and so on.

IQ shouldn't be the only thing considered. The entirety of their being should be.

 

[Panacea]

IQ doesn't really have anything to do with intelligence though, does it? Just because someone has a low IQ does not mean they aren't intelligent or vice verse.

The Stanford Binet is a fairly good standardized test for intelligence, though not perfect...I'm under the impression it's decently related. I don't think it takes social and emotional intelligence into consideration though, which is important, and I think part of what is lacking. The jump in IQ points was correlated with higher quality education that in past decades, according to what I read some time ago.

 

[retro]

The Stanford Binet is a fairly good standardized test for intelligence, though not perfect...I'm under the impression it's decently related. I don't think it takes social and emotional intelligence into consideration though, which is important, and I think part of what is lacking. The jump in IQ points was correlated with higher quality education that in past decades, according to what I read some time ago.

IQ generally refers to someone's capacity to learn, not their actual intelligence. People can have a lower IQ than someone else, but actually be more intelligent based on various factors like environment, disposition, and willingness to actually learn and utilize their increased capacity for actual intelligence.

 

[Panacea]

People I never said IQ was the only indicator of intelligence, I merely remarked it has been going up. Take it or leave it.

 

[retro]

People I never said IQ was the only indicator of intelligence, I merely remarked it has been going up. Take it or leave it.

My apologies then, your statement just seemed to imply the opposite.

 

[Azazel]

Yeah, we should sterilize the poor and stupid....

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[Johnfromokc]

Check out the case study of Trevor and Carol - IQ's 138 and 141 respectively:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRjmyJFzrU&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLF26AFFCCAE1DC3AB

 

[MoonOwl]

It's funny because the average IQ has increased, from what I've read, but it sure doesn't seem like it.

hehehehehehehehehehe.... I tested out at 132 when I was 12. That should tell you something about the test.:24::24::24:

Or perhaps it's just the rest of my life since then. :cool