Do You Believe in the Theory of Evolution?

[Godsloveapples]

I was going to make an argument, but this is fucking stupid. Evolution happens, and all of you people who are against it are making presumptions as to the validity of something you don't have the first idea about it, and you come in here and expect us 'evolutionists' as it's so popular to call people who acknowledge biological reality, to explain to you something that the more informed of us have spent a ton of time, reading hundreds of pages. It's a bunch of douchebaggery, pretentious stupidity to say something like, "I don't believe in physics" when the only reason is because you don't fucking understand it or its basic premises (and are unqualified to make any judgement at all) and then expecting those of us who actually spent their time learning it to explain it to you in a post. I mean, what the fuck? Stop making assumptions out of ignorance and get a book and fucking read it, for Christ's sake. God I hate people.

Wow. Look who's talking.

 

[All Else Failed]

Mhmm...very interesting, yet inaccurate videos, AEF.

Here's something you should read:
Neanderthals are a modern human race. Therefore, Homo erectus is also a modern human race. Alan Thorne and Philip Macumber, who discovered the skulls, interpreted them both as Homo sapiens skulls, whereas they actually contained many features reminiscent of Homo erectus . The only reason they were treated as Homo sapiens was the fact that they were calculated to be 10.000 years old. Evolutionist did not wish to accept the fact that Homo erectus , which they considered a "primitive" species and which lived 500.000 years before modern man, was a human race which lived 10.000 years ago. Continued: Harun Yahya - Darwinism Refuted - The Origin of Man

Thank you for that very informative link. I will be sure to send it to millions of professional scientists across the globe who all agree on evolution, showing them there error of their ways and exposing their new fangled "science" as nothing but a bunch of lies and mistakes that no one has uncovered or seen before. Well, until you. You have opened my eyes to the vast evolutionist conspiracy against man, with this one link from a seemingly unbiased source of knowledge! And to think...countless man hours of professional scientists toiling away their entire lives to research and find evidence (false evidence of course! SATAN PLANTED IT!) of such a dreary theory! After all, ITS JUST A THEORY! Sort of like gravity, but that one doesn't count! You are a prophet to us all, Temperamental. You have awakened my soul in various ways that evolution has suppressed over the years! Again I must thank you, for providing the public with this splendid link which contains such vast and arcane lore. I am in debt to your services!

 

[Godsloveapples]

Thank you for that very informative link. I will be sure to send it to millions of professional scientists across the globe who all agree on evolution, showing them there error of their ways and exposing their new fangled "science" as nothing but a bunch of lies and mistakes that no one has uncovered or seen before. Well, until you. You have opened my eyes to the vast evolutionist conspiracy against man, with this one link from a seemingly unbiased source of knowledge! And to think...countless man hours of professional scientists toiling away their entire lives to research and find evidence (false evidence of course! SATAN PLANTED IT!) of such a dreary theory! After all, ITS JUST A THEORY! Sort of like gravity, but that one doesn't count! You are a prophet to us all, Temperamental. You have awakened my soul in various ways that evolution has suppressed over the years! Again I must thank you, for providing the public with this splendid link which contains such vast and arcane lore. I am in debt to your services!

Dear, you really need to work on opening your mind to understanding both sides of the argument before replying.

 

[All Else Failed]

Hon, you need to actually understand elementary science to grasp what we are talking about.



Here's a handy video explaining how life naturally stared on Earth:

YouTube - The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis

 

[Godsloveapples]

Hon, you need to actually understand elementary science to grasp what we are talking about.

I think that I already understand what I'm talking about.
I know that you're a really smart guy. The only thing that has corrupted your mind and many other Atheists is that you guys don't see both sides. You just open up to your own side of the argument and close your mind to the other side just because you don't like it. I'm done arguing with you Ron.

 

[All Else Failed]

I think that I already understand what I'm talking about.
I know that you're a really smart guy. The only thing that has corrupted your mind and many other Atheists is that you guys don't see both sides. You just open up to your own side of the argument and close your mind to the other side just because you don't like it. I'm done arguing with you Ron.

PROTIP: You might want to practice what you preach. You're one of the most close minded people I've ever seen debate about evolution. You won't accept anything unless it comes from some obscure religious website.

See both sides? I WAS the other side for most of my life. I fully understand where religious types are coming from, believe me.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Thank you for that very informative link. I will be sure to send it to millions of professional scientists across the globe who all agree on evolution, showing them there error of their ways and exposing their new fangled "science" as nothing but a bunch of lies and mistakes that no one has uncovered or seen before. Well, until you. You have opened my eyes to the vast evolutionist conspiracy against man, with this one link from a seemingly unbiased source of knowledge! And to think...countless man hours of professional scientists toiling away their entire lives to research and find evidence (false evidence of course! SATAN PLANTED IT!) of such a dreary theory! After all, ITS JUST A THEORY! Sort of like gravity, but that one doesn't count! You are a prophet to us all, Temperamental. You have awakened my soul in various ways that evolution has suppressed over the years! Again I must thank you, for providing the public with this splendid link which contains such vast and arcane lore. I am in debt to your services!

Careful Temp.... I think he might be, how we say.... Insincere on this one. Play it cool. :jk

You're one of the most close minded people I've ever seen debate about evolution.

Hopefully a step or two behind me.

 

[IntruderLS1]

No actually the Creeks knew that it was round way before Christ and wrote that down before the bible.

Can't say I've ever heard of the Creeks. Which kind of surprises me if they had figured out the Earth was round before 1500BC. Guess I'll have to ask the Google bar about it.

Oh, but regardless, ... My point stands.

How does evolution contradict physics? Lets me guess, that worn out and debunked thermodynamics argument again? :yuk

LOL Worn out and debunked thermodynamics argument eh? If memory serves, you refused under great pressure to debate me scientifically about this subject. The offer is still valid if you would like to do it though. Rules stay the same. Leave religion out of it.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Physics have a lack of understanding of the premises. Thus the reasoning must be based upon observation of facts which can be taken as the premises of further argument. That does not change that the supernatural is logically impossible.

Let me understand your position:

Physics has no defined starting point that we can finger. As such, all we can do is figure out how it works now, and extrapolate that it has always behaved similarly to the beginning of time.

If this is indeed what you're saying, then I agree with you 100%.

And BECAUSE I agree with you 100%, I know that physical laws will not allow for matter to be created from nothing. Period. End of statement. Ever.

I propose a being that acts outside of the realm of time and space is not only logical, but a requirement.

Here is one of AEF's favorite examples:

Let's pretend that we have a big empty box that represents the Universe. We seal it up water tight, and stick it in the ground for a billion trillion years.

When the billion trillion years is up, we dig the box out of the ground and open it. Behold, a brand new, fully functional, battery operated Timex watch is now in the box set to the correct time of day.

Two theories emerge about how this came to be. Your theory is that somehow over the eons that the box lay dormant, something we don't understand simply brought the building blocks of our watch into being, and as the years rolled on, those building blocks slowly consolidated into the new watch we have today.

Not a bad theory.

My theory is that somebody put it there.






I believe the word you're looking for is "Nonsensical." :cool

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Nice going Intruder.

Temperamental. Please leave homos out of this. No need to talk about them and their erections. There may be minors around.

AEF. Temper temper now. tut tut.

 

[All Else Failed]

Can't say I've ever heard of the Creeks. Which kind of surprises me if they had figured out the Earth was round before 1500BC. Guess I'll have to ask the Google bar about it.

Oh, but regardless, ... My point stands.



LOL Worn out and debunked thermodynamics argument eh? If memory serves, you refused under great pressure to debate me scientifically about this subject. The offer is still valid if you would like to do it though. Rules stay the same. Leave religion out of it.

Ok, I accidentally hit the c key instead of the g key, big deal. But anyways, they knew it was round before the bible.

Well, if you want to do some reading on why evolution doesn't contradict thermodynamics...

The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution, and Probability

 

[All Else Failed]

Let me understand your position:

Physics has no defined starting point that we can finger. As such, all we can do is figure out how it works now, and extrapolate that it has always behaved similarly to the beginning of time.

If this is indeed what you're saying, then I agree with you 100%.

And BECAUSE I agree with you 100%, I know that physical laws will not allow for matter to be created from nothing. Period. End of statement. Ever.

I propose a being that acts outside of the realm of time and space is not only logical, but a requirement.

Here is one of AEF's favorite examples:

Let's pretend that we have a big empty box that represents the Universe. We seal it up water tight, and stick it in the ground for a billion trillion years.

When the billion trillion years is up, we dig the box out of the ground and open it. Behold, a brand new, fully functional, battery operated Timex watch is now in the box set to the correct time of day.

Two theories emerge about how this came to be. Your theory is that somehow over the eons that the box lay dormant, something we don't understand simply brought the building blocks of our watch into being, and as the years rolled on, those building blocks slowly consolidated into the new watch we have today.

Not a bad theory.

My theory is that somebody put it there.






I believe the word you're looking for is "Nonsensical." :cool

What does the beginning of life have to do with evolution? Evolution has nothing to do with HOW life began.

There is actually biological matter in space, so its not hard to think that they could aid in the process of life beginning. Also, your argument is fallacious. A box? The universe isn't a box, its a dynamic, open environment full of the elements that make life possible. I find it strange that you will say this....and not apply it to what you believe is a creator. You MUST apply infinite regress to your creator. its the old "who made god" deal. If nothing cannot come from nothing, you must also say this about a creator. But...I think I know what you're going to say, so to save time: Whats wrong with believing the universe has always been around?

But, if you want to see how life can begin on a totally natural, non-supernatural basis:

YouTube - The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis


Really, watch it.

 

[FreeWorkVest]

Where does Schrodengers cat come into play?

 

[IntruderLS1]

What does the beginning of life have to do with evolution? Evolution has nothing to do with HOW life began.

There is actually biological matter in space, so its not hard to think that they could aid in the process of life beginning. Also, your argument is fallacious. A box? The universe isn't a box, its a dynamic, open environment full of the elements that make life possible. I find it strange that you will say this....and not apply it to what you believe is a creator. You MUST apply infinite regress to your creator. its the old "who made god" deal. If nothing cannot come from nothing, you must also say this about a creator. But...I think I know what you're going to say, so to save time: Whats wrong with believing the universe has always been around?

A box is a perfectly reasonable example. Empty space is equal in every way no matter if it is in a box, or in a non-universe. It makes no difference, and will always react the exact same way.... By doing nothing.

The problem of infinite regression is something that only the law of physics has a problem with. A supernatural creator operating outside of our realm of space / time would not be bound by the impossibilities of matter creation.

The problem with believing the Universe has simply always existed is that it defies the laws of physics. A physical universe must have a beginning. (Hence the argument that you can never have something from nothing.)

 

[All Else Failed]

A box is a perfectly reasonable example. Empty space is equal in every way no matter if it is in a box, or in a non-universe. It makes no difference, and will always react the exact same way.... By doing nothing.

The problem of infinite regression is something that only the law of physics has a problem with. A supernatural creator operating outside of our realm of space / time would not be bound by the impossibilities of matter creation.

The problem with believing the Universe has simply always existed is that it defies the laws of physics. A physical universe must have a beginning. (Hence the argument that you can never have something from nothing.)

Ah, ok. Its so handy to push the "supernatural" button.




"A box is a perfectly reasonable example. Empty space is equal in every way no matter if it is in a box, or in a non-universe. It makes no difference, and will always react the exact same way.... By doing nothing.
No its not. You have empty space, then you have the universe which is not empty. "

Plus I don't get why you're still talking about abiogenesis in a evolution thread, it has nothing to do with evolution.



PS: Watch my video.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Ah, ok. Its so handy to push the "supernatural" button.

Do you have a better explanation?

 

[groundpounder]

We were actually transplants from an extraterrestrial life form... so I couldn't vote.

leave it to Tim to be the Voice of Reason

 

[gillibean]

leave it to Tim to be the Voice of Reason

:clap

 

[groundpounder]

evolution all the way

all the evidence points towards evolution, so evolution it is

What the hell is there to be torn on??? It's science, plain and simple. Evolution itself says absolutely nothing about the existence of god.

Damn dirty apes!!!

We ALL came from goo... just ask your dad.

again, with the Voice of Reason thing...

Evolution is the only rational explanation for the existence of life. Like Dawkins said, even if we believed a superhuman entity created the Universe, evolution is the only logical way that being could have come about.
I got tired of this debate when I was sixteen, though. Since I don't think the word 'god' makes any sense and all that exists is physical reality, debating whether nonsense nonsensically made us or whether it occured through physical reality is not much of a debate at all from my point of view and I'm certain to learn nothing but to be reminded of my own dislike for mystical thinking.

the only = close minded
from my point of view = close minded
all leads to learning nothing...

I believe that we were once tiny little specks of nothingness and grewed o tadpoles and all that shyt in between and were apes and vwolla, out came hoomans!

Oh yeah.....and men were apes. :nod:

DAMN DIRTY APES!!!

There have been numerous transitional fossils found...

A good example is the Archaeopteryx. A great example of a transitional fossil from reptiles to birds. If you like, I can post up numerous other examples, or you can just google it yourself. :dunno

Jeebus, Tim, I know you can do better than a cartoon!!!:thumbdown

Why do people assume that evolution and religion are mutually exclusive? Is it impossible to believe that god could have had us evolve to our current state?

Logic and religion are mutually exclusive. If one accepts the validity of argumentation and the scientific method, one must reject religion.

that's an awfully limiting statement...

That's the beauty of the book. You can find just about anything you want to find in it.

ruh roh - unintended results with this group...

So many myths circulating about evolution...

enlighten us moreso than this thread has already...

You don't need to as it's all ready explained on Wikipedia. Haven't they all ready created the building blocks of life in the lab, things like amino acids and such?

wait wait whoa whoa whoa. Citing Wiki in a higher minded debate crushes your credibility. I had such high hopes...

Inquisitive minds want to know...and Offtopicz is just the place to find out.

but but but....I thought it was wikipedia....

They've found plenty of proof--except in Great Britain where man has not evolved since the Cro-Magnon period!

oh snap, baby!! ROFL!!!

I was going to make an argument, but this is fucking stupid. Evolution happens, and all of you people who are against it are making presumptions as to the validity of something you don't have the first idea about it, and you come in here and expect us 'evolutionists' as it's so popular to call people who acknowledge biological reality, to explain to you something that the more informed of us have spent a ton of time, reading hundreds of pages. It's a bunch of douchebaggery, pretentious stupidity to say something like, "I don't believe in physics" when the only reason is because you don't fucking understand it or its basic premises (and are unqualified to make any judgement at all) and then expecting those of us who actually spent their time learning it to explain it to you in a post. I mean, what the fuck? Stop making assumptions out of ignorance and get a book and fucking read it, for Christ's sake. God I hate people.

so much evidence of closemindedness. I love this post!!! It's AWESOME, funny, enlightening and ironic all at once!! :clap

Ah, ok. Its so handy to push the "supernatural" button.

LOVE the supernatural button!!! I want one!! LOL!!
Might be the G-spot, come to think of it...

 

[coder538]

I'm going with God creating the world us and we didn't evolve.