Do commandments and threats negate free will?

[Greatest I am]

The fact is you do choose hell. I guess the truth hurts.

Yes. Sometimes.
That is why believers ignore it for fantasy, miracles ands magic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity in heaven watchingfriends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone.That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once beenhuman or good.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Sounds like you have no answer.

How about pearls before swine?

Regards
DL

 

[Big Al1]

How about pearls before swine?

Regards
DL

I see an honest answer can't be expected from you.

 

[savvy]

I see an honest answer can't be expected from you.

What other choice does a person making things up have? He definitely isn't going to engage in debate and be exposed as using fraudulent means.

 

[clancy]

This is no doubt a BS thread started to keep the lies going.

 

[kanojoe]

What other choice does a person making things up have? He definitely isn't going to engage in debate and be exposed as using fraudulent means.

Is it possible he was touched by a priest and is angry about it?

 

[af12]

Is it possible he was touched by a priest and is angry about it?

Or possibly angry because he wasn't?

 

[MrHeinz]

Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity in heaven watchingfriends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone.That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once beenhuman or good.

Regards
DL

If you turn your back on God why shouldn't you shovel coal in hell? I don't think coal will be used to keep those fires toasty. The souls of the nonbelievers will probably be the fuel and I hear the souls of atheists make good kindling.

 

[Codrus]

If you turn your back on God why shouldn't you shovel coal in hell? I don't think coal will be used to keep those fires toasty. The souls of the nonbelievers will probably be the fuel and I hear the souls of atheists make good kindling.

If god is omnipresent....how can I turn my back on him?:dunno

 

[MrHeinz]

I see an honest answer can't be expected from you.

You are now up to speed.

 

[Greatest I am]

If you turn your back on God why shouldn't you shovel coal in hell? I don't think coal will be used to keep those fires toasty. The souls of the nonbelievers will probably be the fuel and I hear the souls of atheists make good kindling.

Any that would not turn their backs to a genocidal God who has his own son murdered when there is no need to, show that they are just as twisted and immoral as their God.

Regards
DL

 

[clancy]

Any that would not turn their backs to a genocidal God who has his own son murdered when there is no need to, show that they are just as twisted and immoral as their God.

Regards
DL

Forget to take your meds?

 

[BleedingBull]

For me personally, I see it as he is a father and guides his children from harm but they can choose to go rebel and do their own thing if they want, separation from him after death is hell enough imo not feeling his presence or comfort again. I was raised with it rammed into me as a kid but regardless of it been forced on me no one can tell me what I felt and the relationship I had as a child with him one on one wasnt real lol. As an adult and reading things for myself I have had a lot of doubts about doctrines and have been actually quite confused and felt in a way lost, but its still not enough to explain what I felt.

 

[Greatest I am]

For me personally, I see it as he is a father and guides his children from harm but they can choose to go rebel and do their own thing if they want, separation from him after death is hell enough imo not feeling his presence or comfort again. I was raised with it rammed into me as a kid but regardless of it been forced on me no one can tell me what I felt and the relationship I had as a child with him one on one wasnt real lol. As an adult and reading things for myself I have had a lot of doubts about doctrines and have been actually quite confused and felt in a way lost, but its still not enough to explain what I felt.

It is quite natural for children to want to please theirparents even to the point of accepting foolishness as real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBv8tv62yGM
Thai bishop speaks to what such children are to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc
Regards
DL

 

[mclovin1]

It is quite natural for children to want to please theirparents even to the point of accepting foolishness as real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBv8tv62yGM
Thai bishop speaks to what such children are to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc
Regards
DL

These videos seem stupid to me. I think the old guy in the second one has been smoking pot.

 

[Stone]

Interesting topic, free will.

If it hasn't been linked to, I think some might find this article an interesting read on the scientific side of the free will/free won't controversy:

http://www.skeptically.org/spiritualism/id11.html

 

[Stone]

Forget to take your meds?

Conversely.....perhaps too many?

 

[Stone]

Since this thread is about free will and the impact other concepts have on it......
If the Bible, a series of books written by man about experiences with God, is argued as a restraint of free will.....what then ( rhetorical question ) impact does drug addiction have upon the freedom to make choices?
According to the logic of the thread starter, drug abuse is a threat to free will.....and yet he advocates it in the political forum.

A feature of free will is the ability to choose to abandon a concept.
So, logically, by embracing the Commandments of the Bible, does one give up the ability to reject them?
If so, there wouldn't be atheists who were former Christians.

Do commands and threats negate your idea of what free will is?

Not of free will, but certainly an impact upon the freedom and ability to express it.

 

[mclovin1]

I don't think anything negates free will. Somethings may make it a little difficult but that's it.

 

[Greatest I am]

Since this thread is about free will and the impact other concepts have on it......
If the Bible, a series of books written by man about experiences with God, is argued as a restraint of free will.....what then ( rhetorical question ) impact does drug addiction have upon the freedom to make choices?
According to the logic of the thread starter, drug abuse is a threat to free will.....and yet he advocates it in the political forum.

No.

A feature of free will is the ability to choose to abandon a concept.
So, logically, by embracing the Commandments of the Bible, does one give up the ability to reject them?
If so, there wouldn't be atheists who were former Christians.



Not of free will, but certainly an impact upon the freedom and ability to express it.

Thanks for not putting words into my mouth.

Regards
DL