Do Christians value their moral sense?

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Like I said...I don't know if God created it, but what about when we claim God created everything. It's contradicting...:surrender I can't make heads or tails of it sometimes...it's overwhelming. Maybe God did create it, in response to actions. We know that He allows these things to happen. Why? - so that His will is carried out. Meaning that His creation will turn to Him in the midst of tragedy.

I can only relate this to parents and children. How we are taught right and wrong and what the consequences are if we decide to do wrong. It's not their fault for deciding what the punishment would be (spanking, grounding, taking away things, etc.). We knew that before we decided to make the decision. Sometimes a parent lets their children go through and experience things on their own, even if it is wrong. So that we gain a better understanding of why it was wrong. They allow us to deal with the punishment of our actions in hopes that we will refrain from doing it again in the future - learn a lesson. Basically...there is still good that can come from something that is wrong.

I'm rambling...sorry :)

Like you...I find it interesting and sometimes overwhelming, but I too like to think about things ;)

You rock Panacea and am very thankful that we are able to discuss this maturely!
 
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Diggin Deep said:
So when does a person become responsible for their own actions? When do we become accountable. I guess for every imperfection that I have and every wrong thing that I have done in my life - I should blame someone else, I should blame my parents, I should blame God? Heaven forbid I take any ownership for those things.

Should we blame every negative thing that we go through in our life on my past, past experiences, and our family? When do we let it go, move on with our lives and quit passing the buck? You can point fingers all day, but at the end of the day - it's your own reflection staring back at you in the mirror.

If we say that we are who we are now is a result of our past actions and things that happened to us in the past, then it is also true that whatever we choose to be in the future can be produced by our current actions.

Disease, famine, natural disasters, murder and immorality are all results of "The Fall". Mankind caused these things, not God. Deciding not to take responsibility for those actions doesn't change the fact that it is "our" fault. You could say, "It's God's fault for placing a tree in Eden and saying not to eat from it. And how dare we exercise our free will?" Well then, take responsibility for disobeying. If the law is not to drive drunk and not to speed, but I have too many to drink and then speed down the road and cause an accident. Is it the person who made the law's fault or mine? Should I pass blame to those who made alcohol, made a car that would go over the speed limit, made the law that I shouldn't drink and drive, and made the law that I shouldn't speed? Should I blame the other person for being on the road who I crashed into and killed? - or is the fault mine to own?

Our behavior is a function of our decisions, not our conditions. Responsibility is the ability to choose your own response. We should not blame circumsatances, conditions, or conditioning for our behavior. Our behavior is a product of our own conscious choice, based on values, rather than a product of our conditions, based on feeling.
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I basically agree with what you say of man. Since I do not believe in your God. I naturally blame man for all the good or evil on earth.

You seem hung up on who to blame a bit and I would point to the fact that many Christians has placed their responsibilities for sin on Jesus and his sacrifice, an immoral position IMPOV, instead of doing what Jesus said.

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

If Christians truly believe that they are created by God then it follows that he is responsible for our natures and natures can only be followed, thus we are doing as he programmed our natures to do.

Like a pot with a flaw, we cannot help but leak.

You might note that the father sent the son to die for sins. That is God rightfully paying the price for the sins that the natures he created do.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

We are all responsible for our own sins and so is God.

Regards
DL
 
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