DID WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS

[SgtSpike]

...what. This makes no sense since the great apes did not evolve from bears. What a weird analogy.



Monkeys and other apes are still around with humans because we all evolved separately from each other. We're simply close cousins.

adam and eve is silly to believe because it goes against everything we know about how the human race developed.

Or everything that scientists and government have TOLD you about how the human race developed.

It's funny how everyone seems to believe that our founding fathers were diests, and not Christians, but yet how Christian they really were. I'll have to start a new thread and put up some quotes from them, because it's just crazy the differences between the truth and what is being taugh in classrooms. Just an example about how you shouldn't always believe what you are told, especially in today's day and age. I'm about as anti-conspiracy theorist as a person can get, because I really trust our government, but some recent things (such as the founding fathers) have really begun to convince me otherwise.

 

[All Else Failed]

Or everything that scientists and government have TOLD you about how the human race developed.

It's funny how everyone seems to believe that our founding fathers were diests, and not Christians, but yet how Christian they really were. I'll have to start a new thread and put up some quotes from them, because it's just crazy the differences between the truth and what is being taugh in classrooms. Just an example about how you shouldn't always believe what you are told, especially in today's day and age. I'm about as anti-conspiracy theorist as a person can get, because I really trust our government, but some recent things (such as the founding fathers) have really begun to convince me otherwise.

Congratulations, you are now on par with 9/11 truthers.





The major founding fathers were SELF PROCLAIMED deists. Being a history education major, I've read the personal memories of most of them, and they all had some pretty scathing things to say about Christianity. You can look it up yourself.


You don't understand how the scientific community functions. I can tell. Its not like any random scientist throws out a home-grown, personal theory and it becomes accepted as fact. If a scientist develops a theory, he/she goes through YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS of testing their theory, then submits it to several professional, independent institutes for analysis and criticism. If the theory lives up to experimentation and rigorous cross examination, it is considered reputable. Evolution is the most tested theory EVER by all branches of science, because every major branch of science deals with evolution in some way. So, its impossible to say that evolution is some made up theory with no evidence behind it, because millions of independent researchers and scientists in their respective fields have reaseaerched it and tested it in various ways to prove that it is in fact true.

 

[SgtSpike]

The major founding fathers were SELF PROCLAIMED deists. Being a history education major, I've read the personal memories of most of them, and they all had some pretty scathing things to say about Christianity. You can look it up yourself.

Haha, ok, I am so going to start that thread then just to prove how wrong you are... You'll have to wait until I get home and grab all the quotes though.

You don't understand how the scientific community functions. I can tell. Its not like any random scientist throws out a home-grown, personal theory and it becomes accepted as fact. If a scientist develops a theory, he/she goes through YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS of testing their theory, then submits it to several professional, independent institutes for analysis and criticism. If the theory lives up to experimentation and rigorous cross examination, it is considered reputable. Evolution is the most tested theory EVER by all branches of science, because every major branch of science deals with evolution in some way. So, its impossible to say that evolution is some made up theory with no evidence behind it, because millions of independent researchers and scientists in their respective fields have reaseaerched it and tested it in various ways to prove that it is in fact true.

Need I remind you of the scientific method?

1. Define the question
2. Gather information and resources (observe)
3. Form hypothesis
4. Perform experiment and collect data
5. Analyze data
6. Interpret data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
7. Publish results
8. Retest (frequently done by other scientists)

So, can I ask you... where are all the step 4's? Step 5's? Oh, that's right, evolution cannot be an experiment! Because it just "happens". "Randomly". Yeah... need I say more?

 

[All Else Failed]

Haha, ok, I am so going to start that thread then just to prove how wrong you are... You'll have to wait until I get home and grab all the quotes though.


Need I remind you of the scientific method?

1. Define the question
2. Gather information and resources (observe)
3. Form hypothesis
4. Perform experiment and collect data
5. Analyze data
6. Interpret data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
7. Publish results
8. Retest (frequently done by other scientists)

So, can I ask you... where are all the step 4's? Step 5's? Oh, that's right, evolution cannot be an experiment! Because it just "happens". "Randomly". Yeah... need I say more?

all of these are experiments that were done that analyzed specific evolutionary traits of numerous organisms. Are you tired of being wrong yet or?



Ahearn, J. N. 1980. Evolution of behavioral reproductive isolation in a laboratory stock of Drosophila silvestris. Experientia. 36:63-64.

Boraas, M. E. 1983. Predator induced evolution in chemostat culture. EOS. Transactions of the American Geophysical Union. 64:1102.

Callaghan, C. A. 1987. Instances of observed speciation. The American Biology Teacher. 49:3436.

Crossley, S. A. 1974. Changes in mating behavior produced by selection for ethological isolation between ebony and vestigial mutants of Drosophilia melanogaster. Evolution. 28:631-647.

del Solar, E. 1966. Sexual isolation caused by selection for positive and negative phototaxis and geotaxis in Drosophila pseudoobscura. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (US). 56:484-487.

Dobzhansky, T. and O. Pavlovsky. 1971. Experimentally created incipient species of Drosophila. Nature. 230:289-292.

Knight, G. R., A. Robertson and C. H. Waddington. 1956. Selection for sexual isolation within a species. Evolution. 10:14-22.

Weinberg, J. R., V. R. Starczak and P. Jora. 1992. Evidence for rapid speciation following a founder event in the laboratory. Evolution. 46:1214-1220.

McPheron, B. A., D. C. Smith and S. H. Berlocher. 1988. Genetic differentiation between host races of Rhagoletis pomonella. Nature. 336:64-66.

Yen, J. H. and A. R. Barr. 1971. New hypotheses of the cause of cytoplasmic incompatability in Culex pipiens L.

 

[SgtSpike]

all of these are experiments that were done that analyzed specific evolutionary traits of numerous organisms. Are you tired of being wrong yet or?



Ahearn, J. N. 1980. Evolution of behavioral reproductive isolation in a laboratory stock of Drosophila silvestris. Experientia. 36:63-64.

Boraas, M. E. 1983. Predator induced evolution in chemostat culture. EOS. Transactions of the American Geophysical Union. 64:1102.

Callaghan, C. A. 1987. Instances of observed speciation. The American Biology Teacher. 49:3436.

Crossley, S. A. 1974. Changes in mating behavior produced by selection for ethological isolation between ebony and vestigial mutants of Drosophilia melanogaster. Evolution. 28:631-647.

del Solar, E. 1966. Sexual isolation caused by selection for positive and negative phototaxis and geotaxis in Drosophila pseudoobscura. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (US). 56:484-487.

Dobzhansky, T. and O. Pavlovsky. 1971. Experimentally created incipient species of Drosophila. Nature. 230:289-292.

Knight, G. R., A. Robertson and C. H. Waddington. 1956. Selection for sexual isolation within a species. Evolution. 10:14-22.

Weinberg, J. R., V. R. Starczak and P. Jora. 1992. Evidence for rapid speciation following a founder event in the laboratory. Evolution. 46:1214-1220.

McPheron, B. A., D. C. Smith and S. H. Berlocher. 1988. Genetic differentiation between host races of Rhagoletis pomonella. Nature. 336:64-66.

Yen, J. H. and A. R. Barr. 1971. New hypotheses of the cause of cytoplasmic incompatability in Culex pipiens L.

Ok, since I can't read any of those, tell me how they prove evolution.

 

[All Else Failed]

Ok, since I can't read any of those, tell me how they prove evolution.

They're all scientific articles, you know, reputable sources of information that people like you are scared to even read.

But, for a easier to read pieces of evidence:

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab - life - 09 June 2008 - New Scientist
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/science/26lab.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home
Scientists watch Darwin’s finches evolve - LiveScience- msnbc.com

 

[SgtSpike]

They're all scientific articles, you know, reputable sources of information that people like you are scared to even read.

But, for a easier to read pieces of evidence:

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab - life - 09 June 2008 - New Scientist
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/science/26lab.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home
Scientists watch Darwin’s finches evolve - LiveScience- msnbc.com

Good sources, thanks. I have no response at this point.

 

[All Else Failed]

Hopefully because the walls of religion are crumbling around you at this point.

 

[SgtSpike]

Hopefully because the walls of religion are crumbling around you at this point.

Never - it just means I have more research to do.

 

[michael4168]

I have often contemplated the possibility of humans evolving from monkeys. It does seem very possible, I mean we had to have come from somewhere. This is obviously over- looking the creationism aspect.The likely-hood of us evolving from monkeys is pretty good in my opinion. It would be nice to get rock solid scientific evidence to support this theory though.

 

[Dana]

no... we came from an alien race from the zylon system in the alpha omega quadrant subgalaxy X beta nova.

 

[Peter Parka]

no... we came from an alien race from the zylon system in the alpha omega quadrant subgalaxy X beta nova.

This makes more sense than evolution or creation. :nod:

 

[michael4168]

no... we came from an alien race from the zylon system in the alpha omega quadrant subgalaxy X beta nova.

Both of these theories has just as much validity as the other. I sometimes like to think that all life on this planet being alien. Think about it, how far fetched would it be for an alien race to stumble upon earth and migrate here when their home planet is used up of all natural resources. Of course in that thought process, we should be far more advanced than we are, right? Not necassarily, I often entertain the thought that all of life on this planet came from Mars. I think about it like this, Martians destroyed their planet and migrated to Earth.Unfortunately something went wrong and all of life "reset" itself. Forcing life to start form zero, from the basest building blocks of life. Constantly evolving.

 

[All Else Failed]

lol what

 

[michael4168]

This is a debate I have had with a friend for awhile now. He is more into the creationism aspect. As where I am more into the evolution theories. The last part .... the only thing I can say it would make for a good science-fiction story. Ha ha!

 

[satinbutterfly]

Why does it really matter?

 

[Peter Parka]

Fuck sake break! This explains all!

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