DID WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS

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so then....if we were created by the hand of god, there wouldn't be any gods today?

This is also false. DNA mutations (not always negitive, mutations in genral) usually occur with enviromental change. If there is no need to adapt, there is no mutation. If there is a need to adapt, beings will evovle, mutate, and adjust to survive. Simple darwinism.

I believe I already stated that I was joking.

I was joking. I believe in darwin's theory.

When will people read the rest of a thread before replying to a post?
 
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Quick answer is some probably more than others

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We didn't evolve from monkeys(only George Bush did).

The rest of us evolved from Apes which branched off from the other primate groups in existence today. We are simply a transitional form between what came before(apes) and what will come in the future(???).
 

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That's a rather bleak outlook. Kinda seems to me that if there is nothing after death then life isn't really worth living.
Not to me. I wouldn't begrudge lifes greatness even if there was no afterlife. For all I know there isn't one. So if there's no afterlife, I imagine it's probably like before I was born, nothingness, which makes me appreciate my life even more.

What's the difference between muslims believing in a reward of 72 virgins in their afterlife and christians believing in a utopia called heaven in their afterlife?
its not certain if humans evolved from apes , however there is 98% DNA match between humans and chimps.
That's what makes me think evolution is much more plausible than Adam and Eve. The Adam and Eve story is a little hard to swallow for me. I do believe in God but I also believe the truth has been diluted by man in the Bible interpretations.

But it does beg the question, if we evolved from chimps, why are chimps still here? That is the one question that might change my mind but even not knowing the answer to that question, evolution is still more plausible than the Adam and Eve story, in my opinion.
 

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Not to me. I wouldn't begrudge lifes greatness even if there was no afterlife. For all I know there isn't one. So if there's no afterlife, I imagine it's probably like before I was born, nothingness, which makes me appreciate my life even more.

What's the difference between muslims believing in a reward of 72 virgins in their afterlife and christians believing in a utopia called heaven in their afterlife?
Muslims believe that they must do things to get their reward of virgins, hence the twin towers and other acts of terrorism. Christians don't have to "do" anything to get into heaven, they must just believe.
That's what makes me think evolution is much more plausible than Adam and Eve. The Adam and Eve story is a little hard to swallow for me. I do believe in God but I also believe the truth has been diluted by man in the Bible interpretations.

But it does beg the question, if we evolved from chimps, why are chimps still here? That is the one question that might change my mind but even not knowing the answer to that question, evolution is still more plausible than the Adam and Eve story, in my opinion.
And if chimps evolved from bears (or whatever they evolved from), then why are bears still here? And if bears evolved from birds, why are birds still here?

I'm curious though, why do you find the story of Adam and Eve hard to believe?
 

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Muslims believe that they must do things to get their reward of virgins, hence the twin towers and other acts of terrorism. Christians don't have to "do" anything to get into heaven, they must just believe.
I didn't mean what's the difference in the two religions, I meant what's the difference in the two religious beliefs of an ideal afterlife where we exist happily ever after.
And if chimps evolved from bears (or whatever they evolved from), then why are bears still here? And if bears evolved from birds, why are birds still here?
I don't know but Pope Benedict said the theory of evolution opened up large dimensions of reason and brought us new insights. If it's good enough for him to consider, it's good enough for me to ponder. Pope stokes debate on Darwin and evolution -Times Online
I'm curious though, why do you find the story of Adam and Eve hard to believe?
Because while I do believe in God, I can't believe in both Adam and Eve and evolution. It must be one or the other and evolution seems more logical to me since humans share 98% of the chimps DNA.
 

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I was asking myself that as I typed that post. They are not exclusive to me, they are just the only explanations I've been offered. If there are others, I'd be pondering them as well.
 

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Why are evolution and creationism mutually exclusive?

I never got that.
They aren't - it's just there's not any other theories that are widely believed.

I didn't mean what's the difference in the two religions, I meant what's the difference in the two religious beliefs of an ideal afterlife where we exist happily ever after.

I don't know but Pope Benedict said the theory of evolution opened up large dimensions of reason and brought us new insights. If it's good enough for him to consider, it's good enough for me to ponder. Pope stokes debate on Darwin and evolution -Times Online

Because while I do believe in God, I can't believe in both Adam and Eve and evolution. It must be one or the other and evolution seems more logical to me since humans share 98% of the chimps DNA.
The difference between the afterlives of Christianity and Islam? I really don't know, other than what you just put forth - Muslims believe they will get virgins and that the afterlife will be all about them, Christians believe that Heaven will be a wonderful place, but that just being in the presence of God will be way more incredible than heaven itself.

The pope is a joke. In my opinion, he misleads people more than he leads them in the way they should go. Most Catholics are not Christians IMO - their beliefs are very strange, and do not follow Christian beliefs.
 

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They aren't - it's just there's not any other theories that are widely believed.


The difference between the afterlives of Christianity and Islam? I really don't know, other than what you just put forth - Muslims believe they will get virgins and that the afterlife will be all about them, Christians believe that Heaven will be a wonderful place, but that just being in the presence of God will be way more incredible than heaven itself.
Both religions believe in an ideal afterlife.

The pope is a joke. In my opinion, he misleads people more than he leads them in the way they should go. Most Catholics are not Christians IMO - their beliefs are very strange, and do not follow Christian beliefs.
I'm not Catholic. I used the Pope as an example because he is the head of the Catholic faith and Catholics make up the majority of Christians in the world. I think maybe it's the Catholic religion itself that misleads Catholics, not the Pope. But I wouldn't say they're any less Christian than anyone else, religion is just another word for theory, no one knows the truth, sticks and stones.

We know that other forms of life has evolved on this planet so why not us? Sounds logical to me.
 

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I'm not Catholic. I used the Pope as an example because he is the head of the Catholic faith and Catholics make up the majority of Christians in the world. I think maybe it's the Catholic religion itself that misleads Catholics, as opposed to the Pope himself misleading them. But I wouldn't say they're any less Christian than anyone else, religion is just another word for theory, no one knows the truth, sticks and stones.

We know that other forms of life has evolved on this planet so why not us? Sounds logical to me.
Again, I'd say that Catholics are not Christians. They pray to the "saints", when Christians are only supposed to be praying to Jesus and to God. They worship the saints, which Christians are only supposed to be worshiping Jesus and God. They pray to and worship Mary. The pope can amend the Bible and tell the people what is right and wrong, when really the Bible itself is the only thing Christians should be looking to for truth and what is right and wrong. I believe Catholics also have Bibles that include the apocrapha, which is widely believed by Christians to NOT be a part of God's word, and are just writings by humans. But probably the biggest difference between Catholics and Christians is that Catholics believe that it is not by faith alone that you can get into heaven - you must be a "good" person too! That is HUGE, because Christians believe that all you must do to gain eternal salvation is believe in Jesus and accept Him into your life.

So please, do not take Catholics to be Christians. We are fundamentally different in beliefs and world views.

And what form of life that we know of has evolved on this planet? Last time I checked, there hasn't been any that we've seen...
 

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- you must be a "good" person too! That is HUGE, because Christians believe that all you must do to gain eternal salvation is believe in Jesus and accept Him into your life.
Oh cool. Then I trust Heaven will be full of a lot of self-righteous blowhards who gained their eternal salvation by believing in Jesus.
And what form of life that we know of has evolved on this planet? Last time I checked, there hasn't been any that we've seen...
Fossils. Creatures have evolved over time that have been discovered and confirmed by scientists. They know birds are evolved from reptillian ancestors, and that they evolved from other groups, like flying insects. They got fossils with features of modern birds, but with teeth and claws, and a tailbone like their reptilian ancestors. I think they even found fossils that show that snakes used to have 4 little short legs millions of years ago, two all the way in the back and two close to their front.

I found a link you can read if you're interested. It is long and detailed, but it's a long and detailed topic. Evolution: Fact and Theory (ActionBioscience)
 

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mans closest relative is the orang-utan....its a great ape just as mankind is....chances are that we havs a common ancestor.....the 2 species may have split when some decided to walk upright...so yes,man evolved from apes
 

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And if chimps evolved from bears (or whatever they evolved from), then why are bears still here? And if bears evolved from birds, why are birds still here?

I'm curious though, why do you find the story of Adam and Eve hard to believe?
...what. This makes no sense since the great apes did not evolve from bears. What a weird analogy.



Monkeys and other apes are still around with humans because we all evolved separately from each other. We're simply close cousins.

adam and eve is silly to believe because it goes against everything we know about how the human race developed.
 
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