koolguy222
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I JUST WNATED TO SEE WHAT YALL THINK DID WE EVOLVE FORM MONKEYS????????????
DID WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS
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White2000GT
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I personally don't believe it, but I've seen the way some people act when in large groups and it very much so resembles a troop of monkeys at times.
i did a report on this in biology
its not certain if humans evolved from apes , however there is 98% DNA match between humans and chimps
the big question that might hinder one from saying evolution took place is because evolution usually takes place when a species is not as adapted to its environment and the evolution must occur to ensure survival, if there was really a flaw in the genetic design in apes then why would they still exist today? Apes dont seem to have any problems surviving in a variety of places
the only way i can think of humans evolving from apes would be if there was some sort of genetic divergence, mutation or land separation between a group of apes
I dont know if you guys are familiar with Darwins study of the finches on the Gallapagos (sp?) islands but when on separate land forms the finches beaks varied in size relating to the seeds it ate on that particular island.
Perhaps a group of apes were separated by a landform (ex. body of water, mountain range) and when one group stayed ape and didnt change genetically, the other group did change either by adapting to different environment or just by passing a genetic mutation.
its not certain if humans evolved from apes , however there is 98% DNA match between humans and chimps
the big question that might hinder one from saying evolution took place is because evolution usually takes place when a species is not as adapted to its environment and the evolution must occur to ensure survival, if there was really a flaw in the genetic design in apes then why would they still exist today? Apes dont seem to have any problems surviving in a variety of places
the only way i can think of humans evolving from apes would be if there was some sort of genetic divergence, mutation or land separation between a group of apes
I dont know if you guys are familiar with Darwins study of the finches on the Gallapagos (sp?) islands but when on separate land forms the finches beaks varied in size relating to the seeds it ate on that particular island.
Perhaps a group of apes were separated by a landform (ex. body of water, mountain range) and when one group stayed ape and didnt change genetically, the other group did change either by adapting to different environment or just by passing a genetic mutation.
robedwards99
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Well we're certainly not created by the hand of god and decended from Adam and Eve so yes I think we have evolved from apes.
White2000GT
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Re: RE: DID WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS
That's a mighty bold statement. I assume you have some evidence to support your claim? Let's here it.
SloMoFo... you rock! That was a well thought out and presented post. I have often wondered that same thing... if we evolved from apes then why are apes still around?
I do believe that we were created by a divine being (God), but I won't rule out the fact that there have been some mutations (evolution) along the way that have made us what we are today. The most popular misconception that people have when trying to disprove the Bible and Creationism is that the Earth and all the plants and animals were created in six days; as in six physical 24 hour days. Personally, I think that one day, when referenced in Genesis, was more like a few million years. I read an article on Google news not long ago that was about a study that a scientist did that seemed to substantiate this. So, the first thing people have to get out of their heads is thinking that the Earth was created in six days (144 hours). Once you think of it this way with a more open mind the more it makes sense.
To me, the whole thing about the Big Bang and evolution is rather hard to swallow. I don't believe that we, and everything else on the earth, were made by a freak accident. That makes about as much sense as someone claiming they can take a piece of metal, throw it into a sandstorm and when it lands on the ground it will have turned into a working Rolex watch with the correct time already on it.
I do believe in the Big Bang, but I think it had more of a divine influence on the reason it happened and the outcome of it as we see it today.
robedwards99 said:
That's a mighty bold statement. I assume you have some evidence to support your claim? Let's here it.
SloMoFo... you rock! That was a well thought out and presented post. I have often wondered that same thing... if we evolved from apes then why are apes still around?
I do believe that we were created by a divine being (God), but I won't rule out the fact that there have been some mutations (evolution) along the way that have made us what we are today. The most popular misconception that people have when trying to disprove the Bible and Creationism is that the Earth and all the plants and animals were created in six days; as in six physical 24 hour days. Personally, I think that one day, when referenced in Genesis, was more like a few million years. I read an article on Google news not long ago that was about a study that a scientist did that seemed to substantiate this. So, the first thing people have to get out of their heads is thinking that the Earth was created in six days (144 hours). Once you think of it this way with a more open mind the more it makes sense.
To me, the whole thing about the Big Bang and evolution is rather hard to swallow. I don't believe that we, and everything else on the earth, were made by a freak accident. That makes about as much sense as someone claiming they can take a piece of metal, throw it into a sandstorm and when it lands on the ground it will have turned into a working Rolex watch with the correct time already on it.
I do believe in the Big Bang, but I think it had more of a divine influence on the reason it happened and the outcome of it as we see it today.
White2000GT
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This is true too, but the continents started splitting about 200 million years ago. The earliest know "link" between man and apes was about 4 million years ago. So, if Australopithecus afarensis (the most ancient of our ancestors... some may recognize the name "Lucy" that was given to the first skeleton of this species that was discovered) evolved into Homo sapiens in only 4 million years, I highly doubt that it took 196 million years for apes to evolve into the first bipedal ancestor of modern man.
! said:
This is true too, but the continents started splitting about 200 million years ago. The earliest know "link" between man and apes was about 4 million years ago. So, if Australopithecus afarensis (the most ancient of our ancestors... some may recognize the name "Lucy" that was given to the first skeleton of this species that was discovered) evolved into Homo sapiens in only 4 million years, I highly doubt that it took 196 million years for apes to evolve into the first bipedal ancestor of modern man.
robedwards99
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I just spent a good 20minutes writing a statement before the bloody shitty work PC crashed and I lost it all...
In short.
You asked me for evidence.
Prove to me god exists and I'll consider beleiving in a devine being.
I think evolution is the stronger story.
Evidence of our evolution is everywhere. Look at birds/reptiles/fossils for a good starting point.
Life of course existed before the big bang and it will continue to exist after the next huge natural disaster.
My opinion: We're born, we live, we, exist, we die. As do all living things.
In short.
You asked me for evidence.
Prove to me god exists and I'll consider beleiving in a devine being.
I think evolution is the stronger story.
Evidence of our evolution is everywhere. Look at birds/reptiles/fossils for a good starting point.
Life of course existed before the big bang and it will continue to exist after the next huge natural disaster.
My opinion: We're born, we live, we, exist, we die. As do all living things.
AtlanticBlue99
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Ignorance never makes you right. Delve into the topics of creationism and calculative religion. The two have always gone hand-in-hand from the "7 days" theory to the arch and so on. Now, organized religoin and its corruption have proved me agnostic, but I do believe in many of the stories of the Bible as factual claims have been made over time to prove them true. Hearsay is just a clue to find the facts, and opinions founded without facts are ignorant
robedwards99 said:
Ignorance never makes you right. Delve into the topics of creationism and calculative religion. The two have always gone hand-in-hand from the "7 days" theory to the arch and so on. Now, organized religoin and its corruption have proved me agnostic, but I do believe in many of the stories of the Bible as factual claims have been made over time to prove them true. Hearsay is just a clue to find the facts, and opinions founded without facts are ignorant
robedwards99
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Re: RE: DID WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS
Then give me some religious facts.
AtlanticBlue99 said:
Then give me some religious facts.
UncleBacon
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my biggest problem with going by religous standpoint everything is he said she said...their is no solid facts....+ the bible has changed a great deal by man...man has changed it to the way he wants it...evolution is proven everyday....I lean more towards evolution but wont rule out a god completely...I just need better facts
White2000GT
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That's a rather bleak outlook. Kinda seems to me that if there is nothing after death then life isn't really worth living.
Anyway, so let me see here. Let me play evolutionist for a minute. The big bang happened... just because, no reason... it just did. A couple hundred million years later single cell life forms started developing... again, no reason... just because. Then those single celled organisms one day decided they were tired of being single celled and started splitting and specializing into something bigger and better... just because. Fast forward a few more hundred million years and we have apes. Now, normally apes are quite content swinging from tree to tree, picking fleas off each other, throwing poo... that sort of thing. Then one day a few hundred thousand or so of these apes decided they were tired of getting poo thrown on them so they said "Hey! I have an idea! Let's evolve into humans! Let's start walking upright, lose the majority of our hair, get better brains and prettier women! But let's not tell them other idiots. We'll let them stay apes". Then, to top it all off, this band of mischievous evolvers decide that they are going to create a fictitious idea about a divine being who created them. Then they are going to brainwash a whole bunch of their offspring and make them think that they really didn't evolve... they were created! What a novel concept.
Am I getting close here?
robedwards99 said:
That's a rather bleak outlook. Kinda seems to me that if there is nothing after death then life isn't really worth living.
Anyway, so let me see here. Let me play evolutionist for a minute. The big bang happened... just because, no reason... it just did. A couple hundred million years later single cell life forms started developing... again, no reason... just because. Then those single celled organisms one day decided they were tired of being single celled and started splitting and specializing into something bigger and better... just because. Fast forward a few more hundred million years and we have apes. Now, normally apes are quite content swinging from tree to tree, picking fleas off each other, throwing poo... that sort of thing. Then one day a few hundred thousand or so of these apes decided they were tired of getting poo thrown on them so they said "Hey! I have an idea! Let's evolve into humans! Let's start walking upright, lose the majority of our hair, get better brains and prettier women! But let's not tell them other idiots. We'll let them stay apes". Then, to top it all off, this band of mischievous evolvers decide that they are going to create a fictitious idea about a divine being who created them. Then they are going to brainwash a whole bunch of their offspring and make them think that they really didn't evolve... they were created! What a novel concept.
Am I getting close here?
robedwards99
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I'll be back in about 14 hours to answer! I can finally leave this seat and go home!! WooHoo!!!!!!111111oneone :banana
99mustang232
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From the beginning, the creation:
The solar system began as a big cloud of rotating dust called the solar nebula. The solar nebular collapsed under its own gravity after being triggered by a near supernova. As the solar nebula collapsed, it flattened out into a disk-like shape. While the dust particles rotated around in this disk-like shape, they kept smashing into each other forming larger and larger bodies. Eventually, they got big enough to form moons, the asteroid belt, the icy comets beyond Pluto, and the planets.
Plants and Animals evolved from the sea, and that is where the single celled oraganisms remained for at least 600 million years. This is because, in the absence of a protective ozone layer, the land was bathed in lethal levels of UV radiation. A simple organism known as blue-green algae appeared and spread across the seas. Blue-green algae are still alive today. It was very important to the future of the planet because blue-green algae used sunlight and water to make food, and in the process, created oxygen. As the blue-green algae grew in the earth's seas, they began to fill the atmosphere with oxygen.
The oxygen that the blue-green algae produced made it possible for other types of organisms and bacteria to develop. These organisms needed oxygen to carry out their life processes of growth, feeding, responding and reproducing. Unlike the blue-green algae, these organisms could not produce their own food. They needed oxygen to perform their life processes of growth, feeding, responding, and reproducing. In return, they produced CO2, which the algae needed to perform its life processes.
Once photosynthesis had raised atmospheric oxygen levels high enough, the ozone layer formed, meaning that it was then possible for living things to venture onto the land or get washed ashore. Once the algea made it onto land, some of the single celled algae later formed plants and other eukaryotic multicellular structures..
As far as the debate to if humas evolved from primates, more and more scientific evidence is being uncovered that sugguest that, and because they have not found the missing link does not rule this out. As of recently several new findings have gapped the bridge between birds, and other finding have bridged the gap for amphibians. So just because this has not been discovered yet, doesn't rule it out. Right now until more scientific evidence can be found this is theroy, but more beleivable over the other religous theories.
The solar system began as a big cloud of rotating dust called the solar nebula. The solar nebular collapsed under its own gravity after being triggered by a near supernova. As the solar nebula collapsed, it flattened out into a disk-like shape. While the dust particles rotated around in this disk-like shape, they kept smashing into each other forming larger and larger bodies. Eventually, they got big enough to form moons, the asteroid belt, the icy comets beyond Pluto, and the planets.
Plants and Animals evolved from the sea, and that is where the single celled oraganisms remained for at least 600 million years. This is because, in the absence of a protective ozone layer, the land was bathed in lethal levels of UV radiation. A simple organism known as blue-green algae appeared and spread across the seas. Blue-green algae are still alive today. It was very important to the future of the planet because blue-green algae used sunlight and water to make food, and in the process, created oxygen. As the blue-green algae grew in the earth's seas, they began to fill the atmosphere with oxygen.
The oxygen that the blue-green algae produced made it possible for other types of organisms and bacteria to develop. These organisms needed oxygen to carry out their life processes of growth, feeding, responding and reproducing. Unlike the blue-green algae, these organisms could not produce their own food. They needed oxygen to perform their life processes of growth, feeding, responding, and reproducing. In return, they produced CO2, which the algae needed to perform its life processes.
Once photosynthesis had raised atmospheric oxygen levels high enough, the ozone layer formed, meaning that it was then possible for living things to venture onto the land or get washed ashore. Once the algea made it onto land, some of the single celled algae later formed plants and other eukaryotic multicellular structures..
As far as the debate to if humas evolved from primates, more and more scientific evidence is being uncovered that sugguest that, and because they have not found the missing link does not rule this out. As of recently several new findings have gapped the bridge between birds, and other finding have bridged the gap for amphibians. So just because this has not been discovered yet, doesn't rule it out. Right now until more scientific evidence can be found this is theroy, but more beleivable over the other religous theories.
evolution happened. but not in the way darwin presents it. because of what mymofo said ... oh wait, slomofo... sorry 
... back to the point i was making.. evolution has occured, is occuring and will occur in the near and distant futures. even if we are not apart of it.
for instance, if i learned something by accident ( stubbing my toe on a rock ) i would deal with the pain. and i would probably do it again, for i most likely would have forgotten about the first time. but after the third or fourth time, i would either adjust my path to avoid the rock, or i would bend down to move the rock from my path.
not only that, if i chose to adjust my path, it would most likely happen that i would let others know that they should adjust their paths as well, or suffer the same pain. and most likely any offspring that i help produce would also follow the new pathway. they most likely wouldnt know that it is the new pathway, but would most likely know it as the pathway.
if we share 98% of the dna of apes... then why are there still apes? well, thats because we didnt evolve from them, we evolved along side them. except that it may be a different pathway that we took, and they kept stubbing their toes.
so im thinking that we didnt evolve from them, but we and the apes evolved from something else along side each other, and the environments that we grew up in allowed that 98% similarity in the dna...
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... back to the point i was making.. evolution has occured, is occuring and will occur in the near and distant futures. even if we are not apart of it.for instance, if i learned something by accident ( stubbing my toe on a rock ) i would deal with the pain. and i would probably do it again, for i most likely would have forgotten about the first time. but after the third or fourth time, i would either adjust my path to avoid the rock, or i would bend down to move the rock from my path.
not only that, if i chose to adjust my path, it would most likely happen that i would let others know that they should adjust their paths as well, or suffer the same pain. and most likely any offspring that i help produce would also follow the new pathway. they most likely wouldnt know that it is the new pathway, but would most likely know it as the pathway.
if we share 98% of the dna of apes... then why are there still apes? well, thats because we didnt evolve from them, we evolved along side them. except that it may be a different pathway that we took, and they kept stubbing their toes.
so im thinking that we didnt evolve from them, but we and the apes evolved from something else along side each other, and the environments that we grew up in allowed that 98% similarity in the dna...
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robedwards99
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Re: RE: DID WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS
I don't see it as a bleak outlook. We're all, from the tiniest organisms right up to humans, just trying to do one thing... survive.
All creatures will adapt to their surroundings and over time this will lead to evolution, as has been explained in the posts above this
Is it right for grown-ups to have imaginary friends?
White2000GT said:
I don't see it as a bleak outlook. We're all, from the tiniest organisms right up to humans, just trying to do one thing... survive.
All creatures will adapt to their surroundings and over time this will lead to evolution, as has been explained in the posts above this
Is it right for grown-ups to have imaginary friends?
White2000GT
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Man Rob, I've been waiting all night to read what you post and this is all I get?
I can definitley agree with some of the things that have been said here. There is controversy on both sides. The Creationists can say "where's the proof?" and the Evolutionists can ask the same question. The problem is this: Unless you come face-to-face with God then you only have your faith. And even if you were to see God in person, chances are not many people would believe you anyway.
And on the Evolutionists side: Everything is theory. The Theory of Evolution, the Big Bang Theory. A theory is quite simply nothing more than an educated guess with lots of big words and scientific mumbo jumbo. Until it becomes the Big Bang Law, or the Law of Evolution, I'll stick to my beliefs.
Now come on Rob, stop playing with your imaginary friend and give us a debate! Haha!
robedwards99 said:White2000GT said:
I don't see it as a bleak outlook. We're all, from the tiniest organisms right up to humans, just trying to do one thing... survive.
All creatures will adapt to their surroundings and over time this will lead to evolution, as has been explained in the posts above this
Is it right for grown-ups to have imaginary friends?
Man Rob, I've been waiting all night to read what you post and this is all I get?
I can definitley agree with some of the things that have been said here. There is controversy on both sides. The Creationists can say "where's the proof?" and the Evolutionists can ask the same question. The problem is this: Unless you come face-to-face with God then you only have your faith. And even if you were to see God in person, chances are not many people would believe you anyway.
And on the Evolutionists side: Everything is theory. The Theory of Evolution, the Big Bang Theory. A theory is quite simply nothing more than an educated guess with lots of big words and scientific mumbo jumbo. Until it becomes the Big Bang Law, or the Law of Evolution, I'll stick to my beliefs.
Now come on Rob, stop playing with your imaginary friend and give us a debate! Haha!
Re: RE: DID WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS
I was always under the impression that christians beleived that God was pure and basically you couldn't be in his presence due to his pureness, now the Messiah is another story...
White2000GT said:
I was always under the impression that christians beleived that God was pure and basically you couldn't be in his presence due to his pureness, now the Messiah is another story...
bible said:
White2000GT
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Re: RE: DID WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS
Well, I don't profess to be a biblical scholar by any means, but since biblical passages are mostly subject to individual interpretation, I will have to say that this means that no one can stand in the presence of God unless they have accepted Christ into their lives. I know that sounds like something a Televangelist would say while he is trying to get you to send him all of your money, but it makes sense to me.
! said:
Well, I don't profess to be a biblical scholar by any means, but since biblical passages are mostly subject to individual interpretation, I will have to say that this means that no one can stand in the presence of God unless they have accepted Christ into their lives. I know that sounds like something a Televangelist would say while he is trying to get you to send him all of your money, but it makes sense to me.
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