Did Jesus exist?

[itsmeJonB]

and we're not debating the existence of a God..

yes we are. you cant make a controversial topic and not expect there to be a debate. thats not how society works

 

[Dana]

It's not possible to debate Jesus without God?

 

[darkangel]

neither were u unless u can time travel.

And how do you know that I didn't exist back then? Time travel isn't the only way to know what truly happened then. I just may have been there for all we know and seen the Miracles that happened. I'm not saying I did and I'm not saying I didn't. I may be an Angel sent by GOD and Jesus to spread the word. God does send Angels from Heaven to help people along. At least according to my beliefs.

It's up to you Dana to choose what you want to believe about Jesus. :nod:

 

[Dana]

And how do you know that I didn't exist back then? Time travel isn't the only way to know what truly happened then. I just may have been there for all we know and seen the Miracles that happened. I'm not saying I did and I'm not saying I didn't. I may be an Angel sent by GOD and Jesus to spread the word. God does send Angels from Heaven to help people along. At least according to my beliefs.

It's up to you Dana to choose what you want to believe about Jesus. :nod:

wait... how can you believe in reincarnation and heaven... either u die and go to heaven or you go on to the next life.... i BELIEVE your beliefs are askew

 

[Minor Axis]

It's our beliefs that make us who we are...

I believe that. Unfortunately people have a tendency of using their beliefs as a standard of truth, putting forth belief as the truth which it's not, at least not verifiable. Not to imply that beliefs are good or bad, but for religion, they tend to be independent of any known truth.

wait... how can you believe in reincarnation and heaven... either u die and go to heaven or you go on to the next life.... i BELIEVE your beliefs are askew

Dana, there are no rules. Reincarnation could easily coincide with heaven as in you don't get to heaven until you get "it" (insert it definition) right. Don't lock yourself into established dogma. Anything goes man!

 

[Dana]

thats because religious people get so wrapped up in their beliefs. Example radical Muslim extremists but thats a worst case scenerio.

 

[porterjack]

thats because religious people get so wrapped up in their beliefs. Example radical Muslim extremists but thats a worst case scenerio.

they live their faith, which generally speaking is commendable, having the courage of your conviction is noble

problems always arise when the preaching and conversion starts

 

[darkangel]

wait... how can you believe in reincarnation and heaven... either u die and go to heaven or you go on to the next life.... i BELIEVE your beliefs are askew

Who said anything about reincarnation? I said I can't say I did and I can't say I didn't. God sending Angels down to earth is not reincarnation. Reincarnation is the belief that when one dies, one's body decomposes but something of oneself is reborn in another body. I never said I was reborn in another body. I said I could be an Angel is all. Never said I was born into another body. For all I know I don't exist on Earth. Maybe I just exist on the other side of your computer screen. Ever think of that?

I believe that. Unfortunately people have a tendency of using their beliefs as a standard of truth, putting forth belief as the truth which it's not, at least not verifiable. Not to imply that beliefs are good or bad, but for religion, they tend to be independent of any known truth.

I have not stated a single fact in this thread. I have simply stated my beliefs. I have not shoved them in any way, shape or form down anyones throat. I have only put them out in the open so that Dana can form an opinion on his own of his own choosing. Nothing I say is FACT. It is all Belief and Faith that there is what I believe there is. Like I said it is up to Dana to choose to believe what he wants. Nobody can make that choice for Him but Him.

 

[Tim]

I find that very interesting that The Virgin Mary mother of Christ came up in your definitions for Virgin. Seeing that just increases my beliefs that what I was taught in fact occurred. Why else would they use her in a definition?

Mary was married to Joseph, correct?

In biblical times, how was a marriage consummated? That's right, sex on the eve of the marriage. So you believe that Mary and Joseph got married and never had sex? Seriously? Just use a little critical thinking here. What are the chances that a couple would get married and not have sex? Were they just wandering around the desert waiting for God to put his seed into her?

And if you are Catholic, then you believe in the trinity. That is you believe that God is the Father, the son and the holy spirit. So how can God plant his seed into Mary to give birth to himself?

 

[darkangel]

I knew you would show yourself sooner or later in this thread! :nod:

Mary was married to Joseph, correct?

Correct.

In biblical times, how was a marriage consummated? That's right, sex on the eve of the marriage. So you believe that Mary and Joseph got married and never had sex? Seriously? Just use a little critical thinking here. What are the chances that a couple would get married and not have sex? Were they just wandering around the desert waiting for God to put his seed into her?

I can't say anything for sure Tim just as nobody else can. Do I believe that they never had sex to consummate the marriage? Yes I do. Why? Because my religion tells me that. Do I believe that they were wandering the desert waiting for God to plant his seed? Yes. I believe they were waiting for something to happen not knowing exactly what. Just like they had faith in the way that they made it to their final destination. It all boils down to Faith. They knew something special was going to happen just as when we get married we know that something special is about to happen in our lives. How do we do this? We have Faith in each other.

And if you are Catholic, then you believe in the trinity. That is you believe that God is the Father, the son and the holy spirit. So how can God plant his seed into Mary to give birth to himself?

Yes I believe that God gave Mary the opportunity to be the one to give birth to a human form that God could work through. And this form was named Jesus. God created his own son from Himself of Himself to be just like Himself.

I'm not going to debate this. I am not here to debate anything. I posted about my beliefs which everyone is entitled to. Just because you don't have the same beliefs doesn't mean that i am going to knock you. That's the good thing about living in the US. We have Freedom of Religion too.

 

[Dana]

Who said anything about reincarnation? I said I can't say I did and I can't say I didn't. God sending Angels down to earth is not reincarnation. Reincarnation is the belief that when one dies, one's body decomposes but something of oneself is reborn in another body. I never said I was reborn in another body. I said I could be an Angel is all. Never said I was born into another body. For all I know I don't exist on Earth. Maybe I just exist on the other side of your computer screen. Ever think of that?

I have not stated a single fact in this thread. I have simply stated my beliefs. I have not shoved them in any way, shape or form down anyones throat. I have only put them out in the open so that Dana can form an opinion on his own of his own choosing. Nothing I say is FACT. It is all Belief and Faith that there is what I believe there is. Like I said it is up to Dana to choose to believe what he wants. Nobody can make that choice for Him but Him.

If you believe you may have lived back then that would mean youd have to be reincarnated

And how do you know that I didn't exist back then? Time travel isn't the only way to know what truly happened then. I just may have been there for all we know and seen the Miracles that happened. I'm not saying I did and I'm not saying I didn't. I may be an Angel sent by GOD and Jesus to spread the word. God does send Angels from Heaven to help people along. At least according to my beliefs.

It's up to you Dana to choose what you want to believe about Jesus. :nod:

You seriously can't hold the belief youre an angel of God?

 

[darkangel]

If you believe you may have lived back then that would mean youd have to be reincarnated

You seriously can't hold the belief youre an angel of God?

Do you not know and see sarcasm and hypothetical situations when they are written?

 

[itsmeJonB]

My only fear of death is reincarnation

 

[darkangel]

My only fear of death is reincarnation

Don't want to come back to this world do you dex? I don't blame you a bit if that's the case!

 

[itsmeJonB]

Don't want to come back to this world do you dex? I don't blame you a bit if that's the case!

yeppp

 

[Dana]

Do you not know and see sarcasm and hypothetical situations when they are written?

nah....:unsure:

 

[MoonOwl]

Immaculate Conception = Artificial Insemination = Jesus was a alien hybrid :nod:

I'm liking the whole DaVinci Code tale. I think it's quite possible Jesus did indeed marry Mary Magdalene and they had a kid whom in turn was the Holy Grail.

The way the Catholic Church had a complete caniption fit over it leads me to believe there is some truth to it.:ninja

 

[darkangel]

The Catholic Church has conniption fits over everything and that's why I don't go to church anymore on a regular basis. But just because the church, who is supposed to be the voice of the Catholics, acts irrational doesn't mean that I am going to lose my faith in the religion itself. After all we are all human with our flaws and everything. But you cant let a few bad apples spoil the bunch.

 

[Peter Parka]

I think that is why its called faith.

Faith - something you believe in with zero proof.

Mary was married to Joseph, correct?

In biblical times, how was a marriage consummated? That's right, sex on the eve of the marriage. So you believe that Mary and Joseph got married and never had sex? Seriously? Just use a little critical thinking here. What are the chances that a couple would get married and not have sex? Were they just wandering around the desert waiting for God to put his seed into her?

And if you are Catholic, then you believe in the trinity. That is you believe that God is the Father, the son and the holy spirit. So how can God plant his seed into Mary to give birth to himself?

Actually the Bible states that God got Mary up the junction before she got married. She told Joseph and he believed her so the got married quick.
Either Joseph was the mug of the millenium or this is a silly fairy story.

 

[Tim]

Thats not what I know...It's what I believe to be true because I went to a Catholic School and was taught that.

Here is my whole problem with peoples beliefs. Step outside and look at what you just said. You believe something because you were taught that to be true. So in other words, because they were convincing in their story telling, you subscribe to that faith. Have you ever considered the fact that if you were born into a Muslim family that you would be telling us that Mohammad is the true profit. And you would be arguing that it's your belief because that is what you were taught as a little girl. Or what if you were born into a family of Buddhists? Would you then believe in that?
My point is people believe what they believe because of where they were born and into what family they were born into. There are very few that have escaped the dogma of what they learned early in life to actually seek out the truth. And those who have usually end up the atheists.