Debate time: Global Warming

[Dana]

It is called nature

Shit happens

:thumbup

 

[groundpounder]

Yeah...it stinks.

fixed :thumbup

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Menstrual cycles don't. They just happen. :mad

every fuckin four weeks... :thumbdown

Do you really think we just start bleeding out of our vagina's for no reason?

Every month, tissue made up of blood vessels builds up inside the uterus to prepare for ovulation — when an egg is released from the ovary.

Unless a sperm fertilizes the egg, and pregnancy happens, the egg breaks apart, and the lining of tissue and blood in the uterus isn't needed. It flows out of the uterus, through the cervix, into the vagina, and out of the body. This is called menstrual flow — it's having a period.

Periods are caused by lack of insemination.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

It is called nature

Shit happens

Nothing in nature happens for no reason!

Why is this not ridiculous to anyone else? Seasons are caused by the tilt of Earth's axis. Tornadoes don't just randomly occur, they need a certain mixture of air temperature and humidity, rain doesn't just randomly fall from the sky, it first needs to be evaporated, condensed, and then rained back down again!

My point is, I have brought forth an internally consistent theory with explanations for previous warming and cooling cycles. And yet, none of you can say anything but, 'it's just nature, that's just what it does.' why does everything else have an explanation but this? Even when my side of the debate has an explanation, you still say it is all proganda and lies, even though you don't have a scientific explanation?

I understand that maybe you haven't discovered a reason yet, but we have. Thusly we should take action against it, since you have no logical explanation, but we do, and we know that if were right and we don't do something about it, bad things are going to happen.

Why do you think your so right with no explanation, but I am so wrong when I have one?

 

[Alien Allen]

Nothing in nature happens for no reason!

Why is this not ridiculous to anyone else? Seasons are caused by the tilt of Earth's axis. Tornadoes don't just randomly occur, they need a certain mixture of air temperature and humidity, rain doesn't just randomly fall from the sky, it first needs to be evaporated, condensed, and then rained back down again!

My point is, I have brought forth an internally consistent theory with explanations for previous warming and cooling cycles. And yet, none of you can say anything but, 'it's just nature, that's just what it does.' why does everything else have an explanation but this? Even when my side of the debate has an explanation, you still say it is all proganda and lies, even though you don't have a scientific explanation?

I understand that maybe you haven't discovered a reason yet, but we have. Thusly we should take action against it, since you have no logical explanation, but we do, and we know that if were right and we don't do something about it, bad things are going to happen.

Why do you think your so right with no explanation, but I am so wrong when I have one?

Of course there is a reason for everything that happens in nature. Some can not be explained. Some are due to our direct interference.

I have no explanation because I never claimed to be an expert. You are the one making the assertion we are destroying the earth so the burden is on you to convince us you are right. Thus far it appears you have failed and have been unconvincing to most if not all of us. If your argument was so convincing this thread would be solved by now. But as with your fellow doom and gloomers you have a rigid belief and dismiss anything that would put a crack in what at best is a nice theory.

 

[groundpounder]

Do you really think we just start bleeding out of our vagina's for no reason?...

no, it's a natural cycle that happens every four weeks or so, depending on the individual.

just like natural cycles of global warming and cooling. Instead of every four weeks or so, maybe every four centuries or so? every four millenia or so? :dunno

 

[groundpounder]

it varies, I suppose

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Of course there is a reason for everything that happens in nature. Some can not be explained. Some are due to our direct interference.

I have no explanation because I never claimed to be an expert. You are the one making the assertion we are destroying the earth so the burden is on you to convince us you are right. Thus far it appears you have failed and have been unconvincing to most if not all of us. If your argument was so convincing this thread would be solved by now. But as with your fellow doom and gloomers you have a rigid belief and dismiss anything that would put a crack in what at best is a nice theory.

I never said we are 'destroying the earth' I said we are destroying our world as we know it. The Earth, eventually, will be fine. Some species will go extinct, but the real problem is what global warming will do to us, and it will do highly negative things to us.

How can you put a crack in my 'nice theory' if you never say anything but jokes, and things that have no proof. Everything in nature has some sort of scientifically explanation, even ones that are disputed, but you can't dispute anthropogenic with 'It's natural and unexplainable.'

You haven't scientifically disputed anything.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

no, it's a natural cycle that happens every four weeks or so, depending on the individual.

just like natural cycles of global warming and cooling. Instead of every four weeks or so, maybe every four centuries or so? every four millenia or so? :dunno

But why does the earth have natural cycles, why is this one a natural cycle and not caused by humans?

Gp, it is a 'natural cycle' but it is a natural cycle caused by ovaries releasing an egg that is never fertalized.

What is this warming trend caused by?

 

[groundpounder]

But why does the earth have natural cycles, why is this one a natural cycle and not caused by humans?

I'm not saying it's not caused by humans (and I'm also not saying there is a heating trend - it's -24 right now where I am), but there is also an undeniable amount of evidence that the Earth has gone through cycles of heating and cooling before, so instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater and saying that the sky is falling, let's continue the solid scientific research and not politicize the discussion

Gp, it is a 'natural cycle' but it is a natural cycle caused by ovaries releasing an egg that is never fertalized.

so, in the case of your monthly stinky, is the 'natural cycle' a man-made phenomena or is it part of something not necessarily directly caused by mankind.

What is this warming trend caused by?

either asinine and narrow-minded internet arguing or the lack of some personal feminine hygeine. :cool

 

[Alien Allen]

I never said we are 'destroying the earth' I said we are destroying our world as we know it. The Earth, eventually, will be fine. Some species will go extinct, but the real problem is what global warming will do to us, and it will do highly negative things to us.

How can you put a crack in my 'nice theory' if you never say anything but jokes, and things that have no proof. Everything in nature has some sort of scientifically explanation, even ones that are disputed, but you can't dispute anthropogenic with 'It's natural and unexplainable.'

You haven't scientifically disputed anything.

So if the earth will be fine then that means there would be a correction. Which means that all this global warming is an over reaction. Thanks for proving my point

 

[Goat Whisperer]

So if the earth will be fine then that means there would be a correction. Which means that all this global warming is an over reaction. Thanks for proving my point

The earth will be fine in a couple hundred or thousand years, but it will still create political, economic, and environmental collapses for us. A warmer world, FOR US, will not be a better world.

 

[Alien Allen]

The earth will be fine in a couple hundred or thousand years, but it will still create political, economic, and environmental collapses for us. A warmer world, FOR US, will not be a better world.

You do not give us much credit to adapt. I admit I have not followed all the stories on this but yours is the first where somebody has said the earth will be fine eventually.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I'm not saying it's not caused by humans (and I'm also not saying there is a heating trend - it's -24 right now where I am), but there is also an undeniable amount of evidence that the Earth has gone through cycles of heating and cooling before, so instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater and saying that the sky is falling, let's continue the solid scientific research and not politicize the discussion


Yes, it has gone through warming and cooling cycles before, but does that mean this time it can't because by humans? Of course not! And this is different then past warming cycles, models suggest it will become much warmer then ever before, that it is becoming much warmer then it ever has before, and that it is and will go at a much faster rate then ever before. These things suggest that it is not natural, and our increased emmisions of carbon dioxide suggest it is man-made.


so, in the case of your monthly stinky, is the 'natural cycle' a man-made phenomena or is it part of something not necessarily directly caused by mankind.


It's completely natural to have a period, but that doesn't prove global warming is.

either asinine and narrow-minded internet arguing or the lack of some personal feminine hygeine. :cool

Look, my point with this is, is this, natural cycles, in nature, are caused by something. You stating that this is 'just natural' doesn't mean anything until you can state 'this is just natural BECAUSE...' until then my theory holds up as the only thing that explains global warming.

Just because it is cold right now that doesn't mean the climate is cooling down, it means the weather is.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

You do not give us much credit to adapt. I admit I have not followed all the stories on this but yours is the first where somebody has said the earth will be fine eventually.

The Earth will be fine until the sun dies out or a black hole get's to close, but humans, that's a different story.

EDIT: Actually humans are capable of destroying the world, but not through the climate. We are, however, capable of destroying ourselves through the climate.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

We aren't capable of adapting this because each region of the world is dependent on it's current climate, if you switched the west from being pasture land, in agriculture, and the south from being crop land, it would cause a massive drop in food production. If you make Russia have a warmer climate and the US have a colder climate it would destroy the environmental uses for those lands, because we aren't capable of quickly changing every factory, farm, and production source in that area to fit the new climate, especially when the climate change is occuring as quickly as this is.

We could adapt, eventually, but as for the people living here and now, Earth could easily become a living hell. And this adaption would take a very, very long time.

 

[Alien Allen]

Yes, it has gone through warming and cooling cycles before, but does that mean this time it can't because by humans? Of course not! And this is different then past warming cycles, models suggest it will become much warmer then ever before, that it is becoming much warmer then it ever has before, and that it is and will go at a much faster rate then ever before. These things suggest that it is not natural, and our increased emmisions of carbon dioxide suggest it is man-made.

now see it is this kind of statement which renders the global warming doom and gloomers as just that. How long do we have records on temperatures? Did the cave men write down on the walls the temps each day and if so what were they measuring the temperature with..

Broad statement like this have no credibility. We can theorize perhaps on past temperatures but a factual statement would be that we are warming faster than past written records indicate.

All you have is theory. There is no proof.

 

[Alien Allen]

The change in temperature is not going to happen overnight. Everything goes in cycles and people will adapt in time.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I have a theory and you have nothing. Therefore I am closer to the truth then you.

 

[Alien Allen]

I have a theory and you have nothing. Therefore I am closer to the truth then you.

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Thanks for the humor

Back a few hundred years ago there was a theory the earth was flat.

How is that working out for ya.