Debate time: Global Warming

[Alien Allen]

There weren't. They were graphs no prbablies about it. You said that it was warmer before WWI and then I showed you several graphs that proved you completely wrong, and you never even had proof in the first place.

data can be skewed to fit the agenda anything. It is done all the time by environmental extremists.

You call me a liar all the time, you tell me that I am using false science when I am using science from 15 different unbiased sources.

I never called you a liar. Ever. Junk science does not have to be false. It just has to be junk.

Okay, well most climatologists agree with me, as well as the credible scientific groups: NAS, AAAS, NASA, NOAA, GISS, RS, EPA, and CMOS.

getting a little ahead of yourself aren't ya. I think it is you agree with them. Unless you are some child genius that has been doing this since you were in diapers.

And we are responsible for this warming trend. It is out of the ordinary, it is at a faster rate then ever before, something that naturally would take hundreds or even thousands of years, and it is going to be at a much larger magnitude then ever before as well. Not only that,

but if you look at any of those graphs, the assumption would be we should be cooling right now, not warming.

That should tell you to suspect the assumptions. :nod:

Don't you think there is enough of a risk of it being real to do something about it? Isn't it smarter to say 'We should take action against global warming and not risk the consequences of not taking action' instead of 'We shouldn't take action against global warming because we don't know for sure, so we should just risk it'

I never said we should sit on our hands and do nothing. Never.

The first one seems far more logical. Especially when I can debunk everything you say and all you can say in response is 'Your wrong, because your not a scientist'

I know it is tough but sometimes the truth hurts. You have a passion for this and kudos to you. But you still are not a scientist yet. You will learn that sometimes people think they know more than they really do but they don't realize it till the actually know what they thought they new originally

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

What's even more dangerous is people who don't know, what they don't know.

Yanno?

 

[Peter Parka]

data can be skewed to fit the agenda anything. It is done all the time by environmental extremists.

They have official political jobs over here, we call them spin doctors. In the hate charts they rate somewhere slightly below paedophiles but above traffic wardens.:nod:

 

[Alien Allen]

What's even more dangerous is people who don't know, what they don't know.

Yanno?

I don't know.

I will get back to ya on that though

 

[dt3]

This just in:

44% Say Global Warming Due To Planetary Trends, Not People
Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.

 

[Alien Allen]

This just in:

44% Say Global Warming Due To Planetary Trends, Not People
Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.

maybe there is something the astrology bull shit :24:

 

[Peter Parka]

maybe there is something the astrology bull shit :24:

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[Goat Whisperer]

data can be skewed to fit the agenda anything. It is done all the time by environmental extremists.

Once again, your not proving anything. Have your PROVED my numbers and graphs wrong with your own from more credible sources? No. You have just SAID they were.


I never called you a liar. Ever. Junk science does not have to be false. It just has to be junk.
You called my science, numbers, and graphs lies. You called my deepest beliefs flat out lies. You called me a liar.

getting a little ahead of yourself aren't ya. I think it is you agree with them. Unless you are some child genius that has been doing this since you were in diapers.

They agree with the same science as me, they agree with me and I agree with them.

I never said we should sit on our hands and do nothing. Never.

You implied it by stating global warming and all the science behind it as false.

I know it is tough but sometimes the truth hurts. You have a passion for this and kudos to you. But you still are not a scientist yet. You will learn that sometimes people think they know more than they really do but they don't realize it till the actually know what they thought they new originally

You haven't proved anything! Your just saying my science is all lies, but your not proving it is. Your saying I'm wrong, but your not giving evidence as to why.

Once again, you haven't PROVED anything

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Alien, what do you prove by bullying a young girl trying to make a difference in something that she deeply cares about, something that she spends hours every day researching, and combating against? Something you don't know anything about, something you have assumed to be false without doing any research yourself.

I dunno know what you think it proves, but it 'proves' to me your acting like a real jerk.

 

[Peter Parka]

opcorn2:opcorn2:opcorn2:

 

[Ashl33]

:homo:

:cheerleader: hahahaha goooooooo BRI !

 

[dt3]

Alien, what do you prove by bullying a young girl trying to make a difference in something that she deeply cares about, something that she spends hours every day researching, and combating against? Something you don't know anything about, something you have assumed to be false without doing any research yourself.

I dunno know what you think it proves, but it 'proves' to me your acting like a real jerk.

I thought you said your age was irrelevant to the discussion? If you want it to be that way, you can't play the "young girl" card imo. Just sayin. :dunno

 

[Alien Allen]

I feel like having a fun little debate on global warming, my position would obviously be 'Global warming is not only happening, but humans are a main cause.' Any takers to oppose me? Don't tell me your a scared!

So I guess it is not fun anymore since I disagree with you eh

As a side note I think you need to look up the definition of what liar is. I have not called you a liar.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

So I guess it is not fun anymore since I disagree with you eh

As a side note I think you need to look up the definition of what liar is. I have not called you a liar.

I am fine with people disagreeing with me, but when people start saying I have no idea what I am talking about; that's when you really start to be mean.

Look, your just telling me I can't be right about this because I am not a scientist. Have you proved this? No. And it's a mean thing to say to someone so dedicated.

I made this thread because I wanted someone to prove me wrong. Do your really think I want global warming to be real? The polar bear have about 10% chance of survival right now, do you think I want that? The damage has already been done and many side effcts are already irreversable. I hope I am wrong. But the more often I have these debates the more sure I am, and it's scary as hell.

I didn't, however, make this thread to be rudely discredited by you.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I thought you said your age was irrelevant to the discussion? If you want it to be that way, you can't play the "young girl" card imo. Just sayin. :dunno

It's not irrelevant to my cause.

 

[Alien Allen]

I am fine with people disagreeing with me, but when people start saying I have no idea what I am talking about; that's when you really start to be mean.

So because I disagree with you that indicates I am being mean to you?

Look, your just telling me I can't be right about this because I am not a scientist. Have you proved this? No. And it's a mean thing to say to someone so dedicated.

Under the technical definition of a scientist you could be considered one. Under the practical definition to me it would be somebody with a degree and to have real credibility a PHD. Kind of like a guy who goes out on the weekend with a metal locator saying he is an archeologist. Your passion may lead you to become a scientist but at this point I would not consider you one.

I made this thread because I wanted someone to prove me wrong. Do your really think I want global warming to be real? The polar bear have about 10% chance of survival right now, do you think I want that? The damage has already been done and many side effcts are already irreversable. I hope I am wrong. But the more often I have these debates the more sure I am, and it's scary as hell.

I didn't, however, make this thread to be rudely discredited by you.

I do not buy that argument for a minute. You made this thread to present your view as being correct. You have no intent of being convinced that your view is wrong. You have made that clear.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

So because I disagree with you that indicates I am being mean to you?

No, actually because you are being mean to me, it indicated you are being mean to me.

Under the technical definition of a scientist you could be considered one. Under the practical definition to me it would be somebody with a degree and to have real credibility a PHD. Kind of like a guy who goes out on the weekend with a metal locator saying he is an archeologist. Your passion may lead you to become a scientist but at this point I would not consider you one.

I didn't say you should consider me a scientist. I said, just because I am not a scientist, yet, it doesn't mean I can't do deep research on a scientific topic, understand that scientific topic fluently, and make arguments that aren't completely wrong, just because I didn't physically do the tests.

I do not buy that argument for a minute. You made this thread to present your view as being correct. You have no intent of being convinced that your view is wrong. You have made that clear.

Yes your right. I would just love global warming to be real so I could be proved right, so my generation would be screwed, and so amazing species like the polar bear can go extinct. I would just adore that outcome.

Look, your not being a jerk because you disagree with me, your being one because you are completely discrediting me. I would be fine with you saying I don't have the correct data, if your brought me data that contradicted mine, that came from a reliable unbiased source or data you collected personally. But, I am not fine with you saying 'Your wrong because your a stupid teenager that doesn't know what she is talking about.' Have your proved that I don't know what I am talking about? No. Have your proved my data to be incorrect? No. Have your proved that your an imbecile? Yes.

 

[Alien Allen]

Look, your not being a jerk because you disagree with me, your being one because you are completely discrediting me. I would be fine with you saying I don't have the correct data, if your brought me data that contradicted mine, that came from a reliable unbiased source or data you collected personally. But, I am not fine with you saying 'Your wrong because your a stupid teenager that doesn't know what she is talking about.' Have your proved that I don't know what I am talking about? No. Have your proved my data to be incorrect? No. Have your proved that your an imbecile? Yes.

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oh my where to start

]Look, your not being a jerk because you disagree with me, your being one because you are completely discrediting me.

I think you may want to edit this. It appears you agree I have discredited you.

I would be fine with you saying I don't have the correct data, if your brought me data that contradicted mine, that came from a reliable unbiased source or data you collected personally

You have already made your conclusions. How could I present any data that would convince you that you are wrong. You already dismiss what other learned scientists have concluded that differ from your opinion. Besides I have a job and am not interested in collecting data.

'Your wrong because your a stupid teenager that doesn't know what she is talking about.'

You put this in quotations. Would you care to show me where I ever called you a stupid teenager??

Have your proved my data to be incorrect?

I have not presented any data as far as I can recall. I just have argued

No. Have your proved that your an imbecile? Yes.

Ouch that one should have hurt.
One who debates usually does better when they take emotions out of the equation.


Look at it this way. Your thread would be dead without me :24:

 

[Goat Whisperer]

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oh my where to start
I think you may want to edit this. It appears you agree I have discredited you.

You have 'discredited' my work, dedication, and research.

You have already made your conclusions. How could I present any data that would convince you that you are wrong. You already dismiss what other learned scientists have concluded that differ from your opinion. Besides I have a job and am not interested in collecting data.

You haven't produced any data or proof that i haven't already heard and discredited. Until you come up with something new there is no way your going to get me with old shit I have read over and over again from skeptics.

You put this in quotations. Would you care to show me where I ever called you a stupid teenager??

They weren't quotes they were seme (') quotes. Which means it is not what you said; but it is what you meant.

I have not presented any data as far as I can recall. I just have argued

You haven't presented any data so that gives you the right to call all of my data and arguments wrong for no reason?

You don't have a serious response to this, because you don't have a response to this; and that's because you are wrong.

 

[Alien Allen]

No name calling?

I am so disappointed

By the way it is damn cold outside here