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Homer

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for one thing right now they have to find a 21 year old so why make it eaiser for them , some day maybe you'll understand why it would be the wrong thing to do, alcohol screws up enough lives already why make it worse both for the people who will drink and the people who don't .
 
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for one thing right now they have to find a 21 year old so why make it eaiser for them , some day maybe you'll understand why it would be the wrong thing to do, alcohol screws up enough lives already why make it worse both for the people who will drink and the people who don't .

Yeah, it's still hard to find a 21 yr old in high school these days, but 18, there's lots of 'em and they could become every other kid's 'best friend' by buying beer and booze for the rest of 'em that can't buy it.

I think if ya are 18 and on active military duty, ya oughta be able to buy booze, but I also think the military should discourage abuse of alcohol too.
 

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i love canada for letting us drink at the age of 18. (19 in some provinces)
but yeah, the bars can be a joke sometimes. Immaturity thrives throughout the bar and fights are a given. sometimes 2-3 a night. but that also has alot to do with the location of the bar. little shit bars that are grungy usually will have more fights than a club in the city will
 

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for one thing right now they have to find a 21 year old so why make it eaiser for them , some day maybe you'll understand why it would be the wrong thing to do, alcohol screws up enough lives already why make it worse both for the people who will drink and the people who don't .

They do not need a 21 year old to find them beer. Anyone with a fake ID will be able to get beer, and I know of places where you can just walk in and pay and they will give you some brew.

I think theres a reason why there isn't alcohol problems in other countries that have a lower drinking age.
 

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They do not need a 21 year old to find them beer. Anyone with a fake ID will be able to get beer, and I know of places where you can just walk in and pay and they will give you some brew.

I think theres a reason why there isn't alcohol problems in other countries that have a lower drinking age.
how the hell would you know what goes on in other countrys when it comes to alcohol , please tell me how lowering the age to 18 would our country a better place.:confused
 

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From 2001:

Reducing alcohol harm to young people: Europe's Health Ministers say "the time to act is now!"
Press release EURO 03/01
Copenhagen and Stockholm, 21 February 2001
Today, in a landmark declaration, European health ministers and other participants including young people, gathered at the WHO Ministerial Conference on Young People and Alcohol in Stockholm, agreed on actions to reduce harm from alcohol and protect public health.

The declaration calls on governments, intergovernmental and nongovernmental agencies and other interested parties to urgently address evidence of growing harm due to alcohol across Europe. New studies show that one in every four deaths among young males (15-29 years) in Europe is attributable to alcohol. The declaration calls for the protection and promotion of young people's health and well being. Importantly, the declaration identifies young people as a resource and urges that they be empowered to take responsibilities in resolving alcohol-related problems. The declaration was unanimously adopted by representatives of all the 51 countries that make up the European Region of WHO.

"The over 57 000 deaths of young people due to alcohol in Europe calls for urgent action. This declaration sets out clear ways to stop suffering and premature deaths of young people due to alcohol," stated Dr Marc Danzon, WHO Regional Director for Europe in his closing remarks to the meeting. " It identifies specific actions to reduce alcohol consumption and counter dangerous heavy drinking patterns promoted aggressively by the alcohol industry."

Representatives of all 51 countries in the WHO European Region agree on ten specific common targets to be achieved by 2006. All countries, as appropriate in their differing cultures and social, legal and economic environments, will aim to:
  • reduce substantially the number of young people who start consuming alcohol;
  • delay the age of onset of drinking by young people;
  • reduce substantially the occurrence and frequency of high-risk drinking among young people, especially adolescents and young adults;
  • provide and/or expand meaningful alternatives to alcohol and drug use and increase education and training for those who work with young people;
  • increase young people’s involvement in youth health-related policies, especially alcohol-related issues;
  • increase education for young people on alcohol;
  • minimize the pressures on young people to drink, especially in relation to alcohol promotions, free distributions, advertising, sponsorship and availability, with particular emphasis on special events;
  • support actions against the illegal sale of alcohol;
  • ensure and/or increase access to health and counselling services, especially for young people with alcohol problems and/or alcohol-dependent parents or family members;
  • reduce substantially alcohol-related harm, especially accidents, assaults and violence, and particularly as experienced by young people.
As part of the programme of the Swedish presidency of the European Union (EU), the Conference debated recommendations on future EU action on alcohol. “All EU member states declared their support for the Swedish Presidency’s initiative concerning an EU strategy in the alcohol policy field,” declared Lars Engqvist, Swedish Minister for Health and Social Affairs. (see http//www.eu2001.se)
The Swedish Government, the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), the Council of Europe, the European Forum of Medical Associations and WHO (EFMA) and the European Commission were all active partners with WHO in organizing the Conference.
The Conference Declaration will inform the policy agenda for the United Nations General Assembly Special Session on Children, to be held in September 2001, with UNICEF serving as secretariat.



WHO/Europe - Reducing alcohol harm to young people: Europe's health ministers say "the time to act is now!"
 

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well the fact that they can't buy alcohol

That doesn't stop them from getting alcohol from other sources. its incredibly easy.


how the hell would you know what goes on in other countrys when it comes to alcohol , please tell me how lowering the to 18 would our country a better place.:confused

You can look up statistics and the laws of other countries to get an idea. I've been to several European countries also.


I just think 21 is too high. 19 just seems like a nice age to me.
 

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That doesn't stop them from getting alcohol from other sources. its incredibly easy.




You can look up statistics and the laws of other countries to get an idea. I've been to several European countries also.


I just think 21 is too high. 19 just seems like a nice age to me.
that does not answer the last part of my question.
 

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look they tried 18 in NJ back in the 70's i remember it well because i turned 18 that same month and yes i drank and had fun and got into trouble , and it didn't last long before it went back to 21 why because it did much more harm then good more people died or wound up in the hospital , so if it didn't work back then in NJ why would you think it would/could work now for the whole damn country. :confused
 

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that does not answer the last part of my question.

I could hardly understand the second part since you left like, 3 words out.

But I didn't say 18. I think 19 is a nice age, and I didn't suggest it would magically make our country better, I think its just a sensible thing to do.


look they tried 18 in NJ back in the 70's i remember it well because i turned 18 that same month and yes i drank and had fun and got into trouble , and it didn't last long before it went back to 21 why because it did much more harm then good more people died or wound up in the hospital , so if it didn't work back then in NJ why would you think it would/could work now for the whole damn country. :confused

So if one experiment fails lets forget about the entire concept?
 

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I might be wrong but dosen't some of the age thing have to do with the body's ability to absorb alcohol sometimes not all the time a body's ability at 18,19, or even 21 is not that strong the older the person the better the body's ability.
 

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I might be wrong but dosen't some of the age thing have to do with the body's ability to absorb alcohol sometimes not all the time a body's ability at 18,19, or even 21 is not that strong the older the person the better the body's ability.
I think that has to do a lot with your body weight. I know 17 year olds than can out drink fully grown adults though.
 

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ok so they can but what about the internal organs liver,kidney's,stomach I think those play a role in determining the drinking age as well since law makers take what they have to say into consideration.
 

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ok so they can but what about the internal organs liver,kidney's,stomach I think those play a role in determining the drinking age as well since law makers take what they have to say into consideration.
I think the internal organs are pretty well developed up to 17-18. I'll research this though.
 
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