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I like the ban on smoking in all restaurants in TN now. Part of me doesnt like the fact that the govt is having more say in our lives, but being a non-smoker married to a smoker it sure is nice to have a nice meal out and not have to smell that shit anymore.

I somewhat agree, but can also see the issue against it as well. The arguement though is somewhat unfair for both parties.

Cigarette smoke is dangerous for both smoker and non-smoker. Studies have shown that inhaled expelled cigarette smoke (2nd hand smoke) is actually more dangerous than inhaled cigarette smoke (1st hand smoke) direct from a cigarette itself .. meaning 2nd hand smoke has more cancer causing agents in it than 1st hand smoke.

That fact alone makes it pretty unacceptable in public places. You can't make a choice to not breathe, and saying people shouldn't go out in public is pretty assinine and selfish (businesses could not stay in business without the financial contributions of non-smokers) .. so the only logical solution to the problem for smokers and non-smokers alike is to not allow smoking in locations that are enclosed (like restaurants) or in cars with children.

Where public health is concerned it no different than requiring food service workers to keep their hands washed and/or wear gloves/hair nets and the rules set up and enforced by the health department.

Sometimes people have to be inconvienced for the greater good .. health and well being.

Smoking, unlike breathing, is a choice people choose to make. They can wait until they get outside .. do they like or really want to .. usually not. But that alone isn't going to kill, physically harm, or make them sick, unlike cigarette smoke.
 
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Studies have shown that inhaled expelled cigarette smoke (2nd hand smoke) is actually more dangerous than inhaled cigarette smoke (1st hand smoke) direct from a cigarette itself .. meaning 2nd hand smoke has more cancer causing agents in it than 1st hand smoke.

Not arguing your post, but that doesn't make sense to me.
 

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Not arguing your post, but that doesn't make sense to me.

That's because it's a little misleading.

The smoke that drifts off the cig while you're not inhaling is pure, unfiltered poison from the cigarette. What most people consider to be second hand smoke is what the smoker actually exhales though. That exhalent (real word?) is probably less harmful than the original hit, because the smokers lungs hold onto most of the tar.

If you were to breath pure unfiltered, unsmoked cigarette smoke, it will be worse for you than smoking. But if you look at the dosing numbers, I'm sure it doesn't work out that way.
 

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Cigarette smoke is dangerous for both smoker and non-smoker. Studies have shown that inhaled expelled cigarette smoke (2nd hand smoke) is actually more dangerous than inhaled cigarette smoke (1st hand smoke) direct from a cigarette itself .. meaning 2nd hand smoke has more cancer causing agents in it than 1st hand smoke.

I absolutely refuse to believe that exhaled cigarette smoke is more dangerous than 3 seconds before it was inhaled. You can link me to a million doctors/scientists and I'll still refuse to believe it. I do however believe that the smoke that burns off a cigarette without passing through the filter is more dangerous.

That fact alone makes it pretty unacceptable in public places. You can't make a choice to not breathe, and saying people shouldn't go out in public is pretty assinine and selfish (businesses could not stay in business without the financial contributions of non-smokers) .. so the only logical solution to the problem for smokers and non-smokers alike is to not allow smoking in locations that are enclosed (like restaurants) or in cars with children.

This is a business decision that should be made by the business owner, and not the government. If smoking in their establishment hurts their business and they choose not to ban smoking themselves, then they shall deal with the loss of business.

Where public health is concerned it no different than requiring food service workers to keep their hands washed and/or wear gloves/hair nets and the rules set up and enforced by the health department.

But most of these places that have been forced to impose the smoking ban are private businesses.

Sometimes people have to be inconvienced for the greater good .. health and well being.

That's a good logic regarding the National Health Care system.
 

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I laugh! A discustion about someone taking a gun into a shop has turned into one about smoking. If you're trying to compare smoking to taking guns into a shop, you really need your head examined!!!
 

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Or, we can ask for common decency when people don't want poisonous cancer fumes attacking them in public places of business just because you have an addiction.

Ok, then stop driving your car or going outside during rush hour. It may not be as concentrated, but if you live in a city of any size with cars, trains and trucks, you breathe poisonous fumes every day every single time you're outside.

Why not just live life and be happy with what you have instead of bitching about everything that you don't like? Living is bad for your health. You're not going to live forever, so enjoy it while it lasts already.
 

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Doesnt matter what you think .. only matters what's being voted in. So far, looks like the non-smokers are winning. :)

I laugh! A discustion about someone taking a gun into a shop has turned into one about smoking. If you're trying to compare smoking to taking guns into a shop, you really need your head examined!!!

i just responded to both things being talked about :dunno
 

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That's the beauty of voting .. majority wins. If you don't like the voting .. move.

Or, you could just be like me and not really give a shit either way.
 

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Sorry, I'm off to stick a shop up with a cigarette! Hope no one in there has one to and breaths on me before I breathe on him causing instant death through my toxic breath! LMFAO!!!:24::24::24::24::24::24::24:
 

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Not that this has anything to do with guns or anything .. but ..

Passive Smoking is Dangerous

Secondhand smoke is a toxic cocktail consisting of poisons and carcinogens. There are over 4000 chemical compounds in secondhand smoke; 200 of which are known to be poisonous, and upwards of 60 have been identified as carcinogens.

When a cigarette is smoked, about half of the smoke is inhaled / exhaled (mainstream smoke) by the smoker and the other half floats around in the air (sidestream smoke).

Environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) plays a part in more health problems than you might realize. The following facts point out why it is so important to have smoking bans in place. No one should be forced to breathe in air tainted with cigarette smoke.

Secondhand Smoke Facts | Secondhand Smoke Statistics

The term carcinogen refers to any substance, radionuclide or radiation that is an agent directly involved in the promotion of cancer or in the facilitation of its propagation.

This may be due to ability to damage the genome or to the disruption of cellular metabolic processes. Several radioactive substances are considered carcinogens, but their carcinogenic activity is attributed to the radiation, for example gamma rays and alpha particles, which they emit.

Common examples of carcinogens are inhaled asbestos and tobacco smoke.

Definition of Secondhand Smoke
  • Secondhand smoke, also known as environmental tobacco smoke, is a complex mixture of gases and particles that includes smoke from the burning cigarette, cigar, or pipe tip (sidestream smoke) and exhaled mainstream smoke.1
Health Effects of Secondhand Smoke Exposure
  • Secondhand smoke exposure causes heart disease and lung cancer in nonsmoking adults.
  • Nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke at home or work increase their heart disease risk by 25–30% and their lung cancer risk by 20–30%.
  • Breathing secondhand smoke has immediate harmful effects on the cardiovascular system that can increase the risk of heart attack. People who already have heart disease are at especially high risk.
  • Secondhand smoke exposure causes respiratory symptoms in children and slows their lung growth.
  • Secondhand smoke causes sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), acute respiratory infections, ear problems, and more frequent and severe asthma attacks in children.
Secondhand Smoke | OSH | CDC

Yeap .. the CDC doens't have a clue wtf they are talking about .. do they :smiley24: lol .. damn that sucks too .. and to think .. I trusted them about that AIDS epidemic thing.
 

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Not that this has anything to do with guns or anything .. but ..



The term carcinogen refers to any substance, radionuclide or radiation that is an agent directly involved in the promotion of cancer or in the facilitation of its propagation.

This may be due to ability to damage the genome or to the disruption of cellular metabolic processes. Several radioactive substances are considered carcinogens, but their carcinogenic activity is attributed to the radiation, for example gamma rays and alpha particles, which they emit.

Common examples of carcinogens are inhaled asbestos and tobacco smoke.



Yeap .. the CDC doens't have a clue wtf they are talking about .. do they :smiley24: lol .. damn that sucks too .. and to think .. I trusted them about that AIDS epidemic thing.

And this is more dangerous than carrying a loaded gun down the shops with you how???:confused
 

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Um .. I don't condone the carrying of guns .. loaded or not around in public. And if the guy who stopped the clerk didn't have a concealed weapons permit .. he should get in trouble for that. "hero" or no hero .. we don't live in the freakin wild west anymore.
 

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Um .. I don't condone the carrying of guns .. loaded or not around in public. And if the guy who stopped the clerk didn't have a concealed weapons permit .. he should get in trouble for that. "hero" or no hero .. we don't live in the freakin wild west anymore.

My thoughts exactly!:clap
 

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Yeap .. the CDC doens't have a clue wtf they are talking about .. do they :smiley24: lol .. damn that sucks too .. and to think .. I trusted them about that AIDS epidemic thing.

No they don't have a clue if they think exhaled smoke is more dangerous than inhaled smoke.
 

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No they don't have a clue if they think exhaled smoke is more dangerous than inhaled smoke.

:24: .. then lets all start having unprotected sex .. that AIDS thing is a LOAD OF HOGWASH!!!!

God I really hate condoms too! :rockon::rockon:

In all seriousness .. they don't say it's more dangerous .. they say it's as dangerous. You don't intake all the smoke .. that is why you exhale so much .. what you exhale has just as much cancer causing agents in it as what you inhaled to begin with .. your lungs don't filter it or absorb all of it.
 

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:24: .. then lets all start having unprotected sex .. that AIDS thing is a LOAD OF HOGWASH!!!!

God I really hate condoms too! :rockon::rockon:

Did I comment on any of their other claims? No I didn't.

In all seriousness .. they don't say it's more dangerous .. they say it's as dangerous. You don't intake all the smoke .. that is why you exhale so much .. what you exhale has just as much cancer causing agents in it as what you inhaled to begin with .. your lungs don't filter it or absorb all of it.

So you were wrong in your first statement.

Cigarette smoke is dangerous for both smoker and non-smoker. Studies have shown that inhaled expelled cigarette smoke (2nd hand smoke) is actually more dangerous than inhaled cigarette smoke (1st hand smoke) direct from a cigarette itself .. meaning 2nd hand smoke has more cancer causing agents in it than 1st hand smoke.

And I was right in believing exhaled smoke ins't more dangerous than inhaled smoke.
 

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Um .. does it have to be more dangerous to be dangerous at all? Do you have a point? I'm wrong a lot too .. until I go get more information .. which is what I did.
 

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oh and .. you need to simmer down and learn to take a joke for god's sake. Go have a smoke or something.
 

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Um .. does it have to be more dangerous to be dangerous at all? Do you have a point? I'm wrong a lot too .. until I go get more information .. which is what I did.

:wtf:

Your point was that it was more dangerous. And the extra information you got proved yourself wrong.
 
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