@ stone....John is right ...you are a bad reader and/or listener...its almost like talking to a brick of stone.
I do not even like the Dutch system...definately not the facist one from today.
Not complaining and or arguing as I prever to leave that to the both of you.
Just pointing out some material how it is done in a other country and presenting some figures and facts about that.
Holland is still a AAA rated country and takes care of its citizen....USA is not...think that speaks for itself.
Do I care about Holland? NO ...done with da peeps.Why you think I left there?
Remember what I said? it would be good if you can learn and take the good out of what other countries has done way before you even was born.
At least it would show the world you are smart.Playing the BIG Boy gets you only more hated unnessecarely.I would not be here if this was the American way as I see all around me real people whith love unfortunately those can barely keep there head above water thanks to a handfull whom do not care and did a good job on brainwashing you.
@ stone....John is right ...you are a bad reader and/or listener...its almost like talking to a brick of stone.
I see you are on the same path as John as far as ad hominems are concerned.
I do not even like the Dutch system...definately not the facist one from today.
Your argument is confusing.....why are you posting an article in support of a system using an example you don't like?
Just pointing out some material how it is done in a other country and presenting some figures and facts about that.
Fine. But it is, after all, up to you to present the relevance of such a comparison and I'm not seeing it.
How can the Dutch system be executed in a system that's tilted towards failure to begin with, such as the US?
If you are promoting their system....that's a fair question.
Holland is still a AAA rated country and takes care of its citizen....USA is not...think that speaks for itself.
It speaks to it's condition, certainly, but that doesn't mean it's a solution for the US at this time.
Do I care about Holland? NO ...done with da peeps.Why you think I left there?
I'm not of the 'love it or leave it' mentality.
Why you left is less important than arguing the necessary solutions and I admit, I am short on the political side of the argument ....but it's essentially because I see corruption in both parties and think the concept of reform within each is more important than the domination of either.
Congress is at an all time low for respect and it seems pretty universal across party lines.
Remember what I said? it would be good if you can learn and take the good out of what other countries has done way before you even was born.
At least it would show the world you are smart
Actually....I agree and have posted so.....but this thread has become so polarized, it's been overlooked/forgotten.
As I have posted ( either in this thread or another) there are elements of socialism that have and have had practical value.
But we've lived with them so long, they have become universally acceptable as a 'norm' because they were a pragmatic solution. Schools, transportation infrastructure, subsidizing of projects not privately fundable because of economic size ( good example would be scientific projects like fusion energy that take the cooperation nations because of the scope of enormous long term financial investment that capitalism won't/can't supply )
Playing the BIG Boy gets you only more hated unnessecarely
Wealth envy ( this is after all a thread about wealth ) or a remark relating to the empire building during the Bush era?
The envy I can't do anything about.
The Bush era was a blight on the world and the US.....what more can I say in agreement?
I'll only say I neither voted for him nor supported his policies.
The US has multiple identities. Bush was a schitzo side.
did a good job on brainwashing you.
In what way do you think I've been brain washed and by whom?
You are the one presenting economic solutions without any context to the root mechanism of our problems.......the corruption of our system.
It's certainly logical to ask how instituting socialism as an economic model is the cure.
So far, no one in this forum has and I haven't been presenting capitalist theory.
But there have been elements of socialism proposed that are not viable at this time and I have presented the reasons why.....not economically feasible.
I didn't spend the US into a debt crises.....Congress did. And it came from more than just the actions of one particular party.
Me, brainwashed....no