Can sciences prove the existence of God ?

333halfabeast said:
It is the best way to test faith in a higher power and calculate the time it would take to create the believer and non believers professed in most tales of the end of days.
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And damn the souls who die before the message can get to them?

So while Jesus or Mohammad is over in the middle east playing in the sand, the people who are in the north, south and west can suffer an eternity in hell because it will take hundreds of years to get the news flash that religion is here?
 
RecklessTim said:
And damn the souls who die before the message can get to them?

So while Jesus or Mohammad is over in the middle east playing in the sand, the people who are in the north, south and west can suffer an eternity in hell because it will take hundreds of years to get the news flash that religion is here?
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I don't believe in the exact scriptures so, no. Generally everyone knows the golden rule, and that to me is where salvation lies.
 
RecklessTim said:
So he really wasn't serious about getting his message out then, now was he?
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Yes he's serious since you have received his message. Allah can forgive you in three cases:

-if you never heared about islam in your life.
-if you heared about islam but not enough to call attention.
-if you heard only lies about it, but you couldn't investigate the matter (you had not the means).

But if you heared about islam enough to call attention, and you had the means to search and discover the truth. however you didn't do anything, you are sentenced by God.

These days, mostly of people heared about islam enough to call attention (By the media). and there are many websites to help them to discover the reality of Islam ( they have the means) so they have to make an effort.

RecklessTim said:
I mean if I wanted to let the world know about something important as, say, I am the creator of all and you need to worship me, I'm not going to send my message on a postcard to the polar ice cap.

Allah can't even get his message out to everyone properly, how can I respect a "god" that can't even get something as simple as his message out right?
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I said God do anything he wants ( not anything he can ) and again, you are not his partner to sho him the right choice !
 
333halfabeast said:
I don't believe in the exact scriptures so, no. Generally everyone knows the golden rule, and that to me is where salvation lies.
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And I can respect your view on this.

But you are taking the things you have learned over the years and molding your own belief that works for you, which is great. But it doesn't fit with or agree with the bible, Koran or any other religious writings. They all talk about certain fates that will befall the nonbelievers. So which is it? Will we be bound to the judgments passed down in the bible or Koran or are they just stories... It's either true or it isn't...

And that's where I stand. After many years of belief and faith, I have actually taken a step back and looked at religion for what it is.....
 
RecklessTim said:
And I can respect your view on this.

But you are taking the things you have learned over the years and molding your own belief that works for you, which is great. But it doesn't fit with or agree with the bible, Koran or any other religious writings. They all talk about certain fates that will befall the nonbelievers. So which is it? Will be be bound to the judgments passed down in the bible or Koran or are they just stories... It's either true or it isn't...

And that's where I stand. After many years of belief and faith, I have actually taken a step back and looked at religion for what it is.....
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Well I really believe that they have great tales that are filled with universal truths. However they are man made so God's message would be lost in translation. However, I do fully believe in a higher force controlling everything throughout the universe. I am the middle of the road on these arguments.
 
I have, over the years....Taken what is useful, constructive and positive. The rest I threw away. To me the whole philosophy can be used as an instrument of positive.

And you don't have to believe the whole story to get something useful out of it.

It's like Harry Potter....It has within the story a lot of great lessons about being creative, opening your mind, how to treat others and being careful not to abuse power.

But the rest of the story we all know is the manufactured product of a very creative person, perhaps as a vessel to make the lessons come in an appealing package.

Sound familiar?
 
BadBoy@TheWheel said:
I have, over the years....Taken what is useful, constructive and positive. The rest I threw away. To me the whole philosophy can be used as an instrument of positive.

And you don't have to believe the whole story to get something useful out of it.

It's like Harry Potter....It has within the story a lot of great lessons about being creative, opening your mind, how to treat others and being careful not to abuse power.

But the rest of the story we all know is the manufactured product of a very creative person, perhaps as a vessel to make the lessons come in an appealing package.

Sound familiar?
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I think you just got sexier.
 
Sylviane88 said:
You should not believe in a god dreamed up by man ! You should believe in a god that is really God. The only real god is the god of Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad and the other prophets agreed by the Quran
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First, the Quran is a religious text...not a scientific one. What you are saying here is that because the religious text says so, then it is so. So the title of your thread should be, "does religious text prove the existence of God" which of course it will because religion wants you to believe it.

Second, Descartes (yes, he's a philosopher, not a scientist I realize) theorized that God must exist because we conceive of him or her. Because we have conscious thought something must have given it to us so yeah ho he must exist. However, does a God not need man to conceive of him to exist? So if man no longer exists, can a god if there is nothing left to conceive of him? (that's a rhetorical question, by the way.)

What I don't understand, however is why threads are started like this under the guise of an actual discussion about science proving religion, and it just ends up being you quoting the Quran as truth...that does not make sense.
 
RecklessTim said:
It makes as much sense as using any book to prove the subject matter that is inside said book is factual.
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That's what I was kinda getting at...you're just more succinct than I am... ;)

...and just for the sake of saying it, that's not to say that I look down my nose at people who do believe and are faithful. Whatever vehicle you choose for enlightenment, I respect that. However, I do not respect denegrating someone else's beliefs, trying to push your own on someone else, or trying to pass something off as scientific when it isn't.
 
BlackCherry said:
First, the Quran is a religious text...not a scientific one. What you are saying here is that because the religious text says so, then it is so. So the title of your thread should be, "does religious text prove the existence of God" which of course it will because religion wants you to believe it.

Second, Descartes (yes, he's a philosopher, not a scientist I realize) theorized that God must exist because we conceive of him or her. Because we have conscious thought something must have given it to us so yeah ho he must exist. However, does a God not need man to conceive of him to exist? So if man no longer exists, can a god if there is nothing left to conceive of him? (that's a rhetorical question, by the way.)

What I don't understand, however is why threads are started like this under the guise of an actual discussion about science proving religion, and it just ends up being you quoting the Quran as truth...that does not make sense.
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OR "I Am A Religious Zealot! Believe The Quran Or DIE Infidel"
 
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