Bin Laden Tape Warns Iraqis To Resist Unity

[All Else Failed]

I think the CIA is scared of the mafia.

Not a chance, the CIA is a much more powerful entity.

 

[gLing]

Not a chance, the CIA is a much more powerful entity.

I'm telling Michael Corleone you said that. He will not be pleased..

 

[All Else Failed]

>_>

<_<

 

[Pudding Time]

Then the whole world was fabricating, because many a country's intel believed him to have WMD.


I concur with Donnie's post.


Sadam was not cooperating, nor sticking with the sanctions. He broke them and broke them and broke them and broke them. UN doesn't uphold sanctions with consequences. The US does.

You know - 'Say what you mean and mean what you say'. Well we meant what we said, Saddam didn't believe us, called our bluff - and now look - the genocidal maniac is dead.



You've seen one too many conspiracy theory movies out of Hollyweird.

What other countries were these? England didn't, Australia didn't, Japan didn't..

And your wrong, Saddam told the world he didn't have the WMD's and the pie ended up in the faces of Americans who sold that story to the world.

And the UN supports war when it's justified. "Justified" being the key word there.

 

[Peter Parka]

What other countries were these? England didn't,

Hate to correct you there mate but we were fed some bullshit story about him having WMDs which he could launch at Britain within 20 minutes. When we invaded, I'd have actually been shitting myself if I thought for even one minute that was true.

 

[skyblue]

Hate to correct you there mate but we were fed some bullshit story about him having WMDs which he could launch at Britain within 20 minutes. When we invaded, I'd have actually been shitting myself if I thought for even one minute that was true.

southern softy

 

[GraceAbounds]

What other countries were these? England didn't, Australia didn't, Japan didn't..

And your wrong, Saddam told the world he didn't have the WMD's and the pie ended up in the faces of Americans who sold that story to the world.

And the UN supports war when it's justified. "Justified" being the key word there.

Even the UN believed Iraq had WMD. You can google it.

Saddam talked out of both sides of his mouth, saying he didn't have any, but acting like he did by not cooperating with inspectors and sanctions so that it could be verified that what he stated was true.

I didn't elect the UN, therefore they don't represent 'me' or 'my home'. I could give a rat's arse what they deem as 'jusitified'.

 

[Tim]

It was the President that pulled the weapons ispectors out before they were done... Saddam did not kick them out of his country... So explain why we attacked Iraq for the possibility of having said weapons when we didn't even let the inspectors finish the job.

 

[Tim]

Was it possibly be because they were too close to announcing to the world that there were none?

That would have really screwed up Cheney's plans... :dunno

 

[gLing]

It was the President that pulled the weapons ispectors out before they were done... Saddam did not kick them out of his country... So explain why we attacked Iraq for the possibility of having said weapons when we didn't even let the inspectors finish the job.

I thought they were originally kicked out in 1998 but not let back in until Bush threatened to invade.

 

[Peter Parka]

I thought they were originally kicked out in 1998 but not let back in until Bush threatened to invade.

I think you're right. Think Bush was banking on Saddam not letting them back in and that would give him a legitimate reason for war. Backfired on him a bit when they were allowed back in!

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Then the whole world was fabricating, because many a country's intel believed him to have WMD.

I concur with Donnie's post.


Sadam was not cooperating, nor sticking with the sanctions. He broke them and broke them and broke them and broke them. UN doesn't uphold sanctions with consequences. The US does.

You know - 'Say what you mean and mean what you say'. Well we meant what we said, Saddam didn't believe us, called our bluff - and now look - the genocidal maniac is dead.

Well said.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

It was the President that pulled the weapons ispectors out before they were done... Saddam did not kick them out of his country... So explain why we attacked Iraq for the possibility of having said weapons when we didn't even let the inspectors finish the job.

1. Didn't he eventually pull out the inspectors as a safety measure?

2. Were they not there at different times for quite a while attempting to do their job and getting the run around from Saddam and his cohorts?

 

[Peter Parka]

1. Didn't he eventually pull out the inspectors as a safety measure?

Think that was the UN that pulled them out because the USA were threatening to invade and being impatient.

 

[Tim]

1. Didn't he eventually pull out the inspectors as a safety measure?

2. Were they not there at different times for quite a while attempting to do their job and getting the run around from Saddam and his cohorts?

Yes, he pulled them out before we started bombing.... meaning he didn't let them finish their job first.

Yes, they did get the run around, but they were making progress. They pretty much determined that he wasn't making any more and they were in the process of looking for any weapons stores he had.
So since he wasn't manufacturing, there wasn't an urgent need to bomb him, but to just let the inspectors work a little longer.

 

[Tim]

Think that was the UN that pulled them out because the USA were threatening to invade and being impatient.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan on Monday ordered all U.N. inspectors and support staff, humanitarian workers and U.N. observers along the Iraq-Kuwait border to evacuate Iraq after U.S. threats to launch war.

:dunno

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Yes, he pulled them out before we started bombing.... meaning he didn't let them finish their job first.

Yes, they did get the run around, but they were making progress. They pretty much determined that he wasn't making any more and they were in the process of looking for any weapons stores he had.
So since he wasn't manufacturing, there wasn't an urgent need to bomb him, but to just let the inspectors work a little longer.

Thank you Tim. One more question:

Over what period of time were the inspectors over there?

 

[Tim]

Thank you Tim. One more question:

Over what period of time were the inspectors over there?

After Saddam threw them out in 1998...

U.N. weapons inspectors arrived in Baghdad for the first time in four years on Nov. 27, 2002 and resumed inspections two days later. During four months of inspections, arms experts traveled the length of the country hunting for banned weapons of mass destruction.

Read this whole article... it's actually pretty good to read it now. It was written before the war.

Weapons Inspectors Leave Iraq, Along With All Other U.N. Personnel, By Orders Of Kofi Annan - CBS News

 

[Pudding Time]

Even the UN believed Iraq had WMD. You can google it.

Saddam talked out of both sides of his mouth, saying he didn't have any, but acting like he did by not cooperating with inspectors and sanctions so that it could be verified that what he stated was true.

But no one proved it, because there weren't any.

I didn't elect the UN, therefore they don't represent 'me' or 'my home'. I could give a rat's arse what they deem as 'jusitified'.

I bet the 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians give quite a few rats..

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

After Saddam threw them out in 1998...

Read this whole article... it's actually pretty good to read it now. It was written before the war.

Weapons Inspectors Leave Iraq, Along With All Other U.N. Personnel, By Orders Of Kofi Annan - CBS News

Thanks Tim. I read the article. Ok, so I saw that the inspectors returned to Baghdad for the first time in four years on Nov. 27, 2002 following which ther was four months of (or attempted) inspections. I was curious to know how long before were inspections attempted so I did some more research.

Are you familiar with this report?:

Arms Control Association: Arms Control Today: * (hyperlink)

It makes for interesting reading and seems to me that inspections were being done or attempted to be done for quite a long time previous to when the returned in 2002 to resume, from way back in 1990 (12 years before 2002). Here's some extracts. The full report is in the link above.

Iraq: A Chronology of UN Inspections
And an Assessment of Their Accomplishments, 1990-2002

An ACA Special Report

In April 1991, as part of the permanent cease-fire agreement ending the Persian Gulf War, the UN Security Council ordered Iraq to eliminate under international supervision its biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons programs, as well as its ballistic missiles with ranges greater than 150 kilometers. The Security Council declared that the comprehensive economic sanctions imposed in 1990 on Iraq after its invasion of Kuwait would remain in place until Baghdad had fully complied with its weapons requirements.


Baghdad agreed to these conditions but for eight years deceived, obstructed, and threatened international inspectors sent to dismantle and verify the destruction of its banned programs. This systematic Iraqi effort to conceal and obscure the true extent of its weapons of mass destruction programs began almost immediately, when Baghdad lied about the status of its programs in its initial declarations and obstructed an inspection team. Iraq continued to harass, hinder, and frustrate inspectors until late 1998, when the inspectors withdrew from Iraq just hours before the United States and the United Kingdom launched three days of military strikes against Iraq for its noncooperation. Since that time, Iraq has permitted only limited inspections of declared nuclear sites but has not yet allowed the return of intrusive inspections to verify that it has lived up to its commitment to get rid of its prohibited weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missile programs...................



A Chronology of UN Inspections

Pre-Persian Gulf War​

Despite signing treaties forbidding the development or use of biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons, Iraq initiates programs to acquire such weapons. Iraq repeatedly violates the international norm against using chemical weapons during its eight-year war with Iran, which began with Iraq’s invasion of Iran in September 1980. Iraq also uses chemical weapons against some of its own villages, most notably against Halabja in a March 16, 1988, attack that kills an estimated 5,000 people. In addition to its chemical weapons program, Iraq is also suspected by some countries of pursuing nuclear weapons, prompting Israel in June 1981 to bomb and destroy Iraq’s Osiraq nuclear research reactor, which it acquired from France. The attack reportedly leads Iraq to intensify its illegal effort to acquire nuclear weapons.

1990​

On August 2, Iraq invades Kuwait and is immediately condemned by the UN Security Council. The Security Council calls for Iraqi forces to withdraw unconditionally from Kuwait and imposes an arms embargo and economic sanctions that cut off all trade with Iraq except for the import of foodstuffs in humanitarian circumstances and items with medical purposes. Within a week of the invasion, the United States begins deploying military forces to Saudi Arabia. Iraq continues to defy UN demands to withdraw its forces from Kuwait, and on November 29 the Security Council approves Resolution 678, authorizing countries to use “all necessary means” to force Iraqi compliance if its troops do not return to Iraq by January 15, 1991.

1991​

The January 15 deadline for the Iraqi withdrawal from Kuwait passes without action by Baghdad. A U.S.-led coalition initiates an air offensive January 17 against Iraq and its forces in Kuwait, followed by a ground attack on February 24 that drives Iraqi forces out of Kuwait within four days. A cease-fire is declared February 28.
On April 3, the Security Council adopts Resolution 687, mandating that Iraq eliminate all of its biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons programs as well as all of its ballistic missiles capable of traveling more than 150 kilometers........................

(Chronology continues through to 2002......see hyperlink above)