"Better" health care in the US

[nova]

No I want to be comfortable where I live. Canada isn't the only place in the world with free health care.

So are you one of the leaches that expect to never have to pay into the system? Thats the only way its "free to you." Somebody does end up having to foot the bill you know...

 

[Accountable]

No I want to be comfortable where I live. Canada isn't the only place in the world with free health care.

You said that health is everything, but it still takes a back seat to climate and comfort for you. :humm: What else is more important than "everything"? Shopping? Cable? A really snazzy open-toed pump?

Like Nova said, not even Canada has free health care.

 

[GuesSAngel]

So are you one of the leaches that expect to never have to pay into the system? Thats the only way its "free to you." Somebody does end up having to foot the bill you know...

You said that health is everything, but it still takes a back seat to climate and comfort for you. :humm: What else is more important than "everything"? Shopping? Cable? A really snazzy open-toed pump?

Like Nova said, not even Canada has free health care.

ummm where i would like to live in the world and how comfortable I would like to live has nothing to do with healthcare...so i really don't see what you're trying to get at.

the way you are defending this nations health care, it seems to me the both of you think that we have the world's greatest healthcare and coverage. ha what a joke. And no I'm not a leach that pays into the system...we pay for our medical coverage...everyone has to pay something. The health care here is bullshit.

Ya'll are starting to sound like republican nazi's. It's either here or no where. And I'd rather be somewhere where I'm happy. And that's why my husband and I have the plan for when he retires to move out of here.

 

[Accountable]

ummm where i would like to live in the world and how comfortable I would like to live has nothing to do with healthcare...so i really don't see what you're trying to get at.

the way you are defending this nations health care, it seems to me the both of you think that we have the world's greatest healthcare and coverage. ha what a joke. And no I'm not a leach that pays into the system...we pay for our medical coverage...everyone has to pay something. The health care here is bullshit.

Ya'll are starting to sound like republican nazi's. It's either here or no where. And I'd rather be somewhere where I'm happy. And that's why my husband and I have the plan for when he retires to move out of here.

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But you said health was everything! Now you've placed income, climate, comfort, and apparently retirement benefits in priority to your health. Just exactly how important is it to you, really? It seems to me that you're spouting the popular line without giving any thought to how you really feel about the issue.

 

[GuesSAngel]

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But you said health was everything! Now you've placed income, climate, comfort, and apparently retirement benefits in priority to your health. Just exactly how important is it to you, really? It seems to me that you're spouting the popular line without giving any thought to how you really feel about the issue.

i think it's only common sense that you may need a place to live, food to eat, and clothes on your body to help you survive. health is everything. but you have to pay to live (meaning staying alive) here. So...shall i go somewhere without a home and no food...with no money to get food?

Again, the healthcare here is shitty, this is not the great country that everyone puts it out to be. I can be just as happy somewhere else. And if we had the money to just sell our house and move all of our furniture wherever and have a functioning life right away, then yes i'd leave and wouldn't look back .

As an example: While my husband and I lived in an apartment years ago, we hated it there. It was small and cramped and we just wanted out. How easy to say 'well just leave'. We waited, and saved our money and bought a house. common sense that we just couldn't leave, or else we'd be living outside without walls.

And as far as the leach comment goes, I'll put money on it that we put more into the system than you do and not only do we pay our fair share but we also pay for our fair share of leaches in the system.

 

[Accountable]

i think it's only common sense that you may need a place to live, food to eat, and clothes on your body to help you survive. health is everything. but you have to pay to live (meaning staying alive) here. So...shall i go somewhere without a home and no food...with no money to get food?

Actually, people live every day without a "home," no job, and no sure source of food. Here. Everything is a choice, and you make yours based on your own priorities. I just want you to realize and acknowledge that.
I'm surprised to find out that you're married. I thought I was conversing with a school-age kid.

Again, the healthcare here is shitty, this is not the great country that everyone puts it out to be. I can be just as happy somewhere else. And if we had the money to just sell our house and move all of our furniture wherever and have a functioning life right away, then yes i'd leave and wouldn't look back .

Tell us about your experience with our shitty healthcare system.

As an example: While my husband and I lived in an apartment years ago, we hated it there. It was small and cramped and we just wanted out. How easy to say 'well just leave'. We waited, and saved our money and bought a house. common sense that we just couldn't leave, or else we'd be living outside without walls.

You make it sound like a punishment rather than an achievement. You lived within your means and saved up enough to afford yourself a better life. That's liberty, baby! Be proud of yourself. Look around at the culture that taught you to be like that. Take pride in your heritage and stop sounding like a spoiled child.

And as far as the leach comment goes, I'll put money on it that we put more into the system than you do and not only do we pay our fair share but we also pay for our fair share of leaches in the system.

I'm proud of you if that's true. I'm sure your husband has a phenomenal work ethic. You pick odd things to take pride in, imo - choosing to complain about moving up in the world but boast about your income - but God Bless America. That's what liberty is about.

 

[Accountable]

Here's where you should aim your leech comment, btw. And Nova, it's l.e.E.c.h.

So are you one of the leaches that expect to never have to pay into the system? Thats the only way its "free to you." Somebody does end up having to foot the bill you know...

And as far as the leach comment goes, I'll put money on it that we put more into the system than you do and not only do we pay our fair share but we also pay for our fair share of leaches in the system.

 

[GuesSAngel]

Actually, people live every day without a "home," no job, and no sure source of food. Here. Everything is a choice, and you make yours based on your own priorities. I just want you to realize and acknowledge that.

yes, and you would call them 'homeless'. try giving them the choice to go to a doctor, they have that choice but we have no choice in paying for them. not everything is a choice.

I'm surprised to find out that you're married. I thought I was conversing with a school-age kid.

nope. married with children man : http://www.offtopicz.net/members/tim/. Believe me, that's nothing but a compliment, it will be a sad day for me when they stop telling me i look so young

Tell us about your experience with our shitty healthcare system.

having to decide when it's an emergency to go to the ER. I was sick and couldn't breath while having coughing fits. I'm not a doctor, I didn't know what was wrong with me. Went to the ER, and they told me they couldn't give me anything b/c of the pregnancy. Wow. I'm so happy I payed $200 to find that out. I can't imagine how worse it would be for other people. Again, you have to pay to live.

My Uncle pays over $1000 a month in medical bills alone, bringing my cousin to hospitals and doctors...only to try and keep him alive b.c. of the disease he has. And they still get denied for certain coverage.

You make it sound like a punishment rather than an achievement. You lived within your means and saved up enough to afford yourself a better life. That's liberty, baby! Be proud of yourself. Look around at the culture that taught you to be like that. Take pride in your heritage and stop sounding like a spoiled child.

I'm sorry if you think it sounds like that, but moving up and working hard is an achievement. It's not so much liberty, it's working hard to get what you want and we are proud of that. I am proud of myself for the person that I have turned into and the people that helped turned me into that person. I take pride in my heritage, I know where my ancestors came from . I don't understand how I sound spoiled? I think you may be confusing it with being proud?

I'm proud of you if that's true. I'm sure your husband has a phenomenal work ethic. You pick odd things to take pride in, imo - choosing to complain about moving up in the world but boast about your income - but God Bless America. That's what liberty is about.

I don't see where I complained about moving up in the world...going from a stuff apartment to a house is no complaint in my book lol. god has nothing to do with it

Here's where you should aim your leech comment, btw. And Nova, it's l.e.E.c.h.

yeah i know, i was too lazy to post another reply and i'm sure he would have read it lol.

 

[nova]

Here's where you should aim your leech comment, btw. And Nova, it's l.e.E.c.h.

Never claimed I could survive without spellcheck :24:

And as far as the leach comment goes, I'll put money on it that we put more into the system than you do and not only do we pay our fair share but we also pay for our fair share of leaches in the system.

Well goody goody gumdrops for you. Except you're talking about moving away specifically to get stuff "for free." Now the definition of "free" is no cost to you, but somebody somewhere has to foot the bill. So a gov't service is "free" to you then you are a leech on the system. If you're paying in, then its damn sure NOT free...

 

[Accountable]

nope. married with children man : http://www.offtopicz.net/members/tim/. Believe me, that's nothing but a compliment, it will be a sad day for me when they stop telling me i look so young

I wasn't referring to your AV.

You've obviously worked hard and achieved much, and have much to live for. I really recommend you look at that "healthplan" Congress is touting before supporting it. And look at the true costs of signing over any decisions as important as your health to politicians, even if it's in a pretty package with a Universal bow.

 

[GuesSAngel]

Never claimed I could survive without spellcheck :24:



Well goody goody gumdrops for you. Except you're talking about moving away specifically to get stuff "for free." Now the definition of "free" is no cost to you, but somebody somewhere has to foot the bill. So a gov't service is "free" to you then you are a leech on the system. If you're paying in, then its damn sure NOT free...

open your eyes. there are better things out there than what the US has to offer when it comes to insurance.

I wasn't referring to your AV.

You've obviously worked hard and achieved much, and have much to live for. I really recommend you look at that "healthplan" Congress is touting before supporting it. And look at the true costs of signing over any decisions as important as your health to politicians, even if it's in a pretty package with a Universal bow.

well in the end, i will move because i want to...and there is no bill/law/woman or man in congress that will stop me not even the opinions of everyone on here. B/c they are of course, only opinions.

 

[Accountable]

And it's the old people with closed minds.

 

[GuesSAngel]

And it's the old people with closed minds.

seriously? Just because I don't want to live here anymore doesn't mean that i'm closed minded. It's a personal decision. Please, be my guest to not travel or try anything different. Stay where you feel is best. I mean that's what you said right, what's so great about this GREAT country. We're free to have the choice to do what we want.

 

[Accountable]

seriously? Just because I don't want to live here anymore doesn't mean that i'm closed minded. It's a personal decision. Please, be my guest to not travel or try anything different. Stay where you feel is best. I mean that's what you said right, what's so great about this GREAT country. We're free to have the choice to do what we want.

My comment was to your apparent desire for a universal healthcare system run by the government. By all means, travel! Go out and see all there is to see. Maybe then you'll appreciate what you have here, because you're obviously blind to it now.

 

[GuesSAngel]

My comment was to your apparent desire for a universal healthcare system run by the government. By all means, travel! Go out and see all there is to see. Maybe then you'll appreciate what you have here, because you're obviously blind to it now.

I've already been out of this country, to Europe and the Caribbean. I have friends that live in Europe, that aren't on this forum. Do you want to know what the difference between here and there is besides healthcare and language? Nothing. Yeah you read right, nothing. So will I appreciate what I have here? family? yes. anything else? no. I'm just looking at a different scenery. Hopefully with a cocktail in my hand

A universal payer system will always be better economically than multiple profit driven corporations, if you can't see that then you're close minded. If you honestly think you have a choice, you're sadly mistaken. You may be happy with a gun held to your head, but I'm not.

 

[dt3]

A universal payer system will always be better economically than multiple profit driven corporations, if you can't see that then you're close minded. If you honestly think you have a choice, you're sadly mistaken. You may be happy with a gun held to your head, but I'm not.

Unless you're looking for a capitalistic economy :dunno

Right now, this bill congress is working so hard to pass IS the gun to your head. It says you WILL have insurance, or else you'll suffer the consequences. If that's not a gun to your head I don't know what is.

 

[GuesSAngel]

Unless you're looking for a capitalistic economy :dunno

Right now, this bill congress is working so hard to pass IS the gun to your head. It says you WILL have insurance, or else you'll suffer the consequences. If that's not a gun to your head I don't know what is.

it's not a gun to your head b/c if you can't find insurance that cost 8% of your salary or less then you don't have to buy it.

 

[Tangerine]

The government forcing me to buy something is in no way a benefit to me.

 

[Burntblood]

My healthcare was just fine before.
I love my doctor and my dentist. If this new shit fucks that up I'll be pissed and unhealthy.
The plan doesn't affect the members of Congress or the Obummers, that should tell you something.
It's just another way for certain political groups to gain favor and wealth.
Just like the H1N1 scare. The pharmacutical companies eat that shit up and the gullible Americans buy into it like sheep to the slaughter. I hate government control and so did our forefathers.
Wake the fuck up.

 

[kelvin070]

Mindsets have to change. It will take generations to change cuz you guys been brain-washed by the constitution for more than 3 centuries. Any form of govt control will be a taboo or stigma to you guys.