Anyone else sick of Donald Trump?
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Let's see if I remember my Drunk Talk from way back.
(...eye hope u be oh-kay-za...)
Let's see if I remember my Drunk Talk from way back.
(...eye hope u be oh-kay-za...)
Minor Axis
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I don't think he has a hells chance of being elected for Pres, but the way it is going around here I'm terrified he could be elected. 
He's a pompous ass.
He's a pompous ass.
I think some people are making the mistake that a successful business man must therefore understand the economy.
That is quite illogical. Economics is a human science that even after 10,000 years of civilization we still don't fully understand. An economy is in essence the system of commerce where through careful management a balance can be struck that ensures future trading safety, and immediate fiscal benefits that can be released into the public sector.
Just because a fish rides the tides doesn't mean it understands what the moon's gravitiational pull is.
That is quite illogical. Economics is a human science that even after 10,000 years of civilization we still don't fully understand. An economy is in essence the system of commerce where through careful management a balance can be struck that ensures future trading safety, and immediate fiscal benefits that can be released into the public sector.
Just because a fish rides the tides doesn't mean it understands what the moon's gravitiational pull is.
No more so than the guy we already have in the Oval Office
Minor Axis
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Obviously I disagree whole heartedly with your assessment.
You're joking, right?
No, sadly he is not joking at all. File that away for future perspective.
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You're joking, right?
Obviously I disagree whole heartedly with your assessment.
No, sadly he is not joking at all. File that away for future perspective.
Obama is an incredibly pompous and arrogant man... he thinks that what he wants for America is the only thing that should happen, and he gets incredulous when people disagree with him. Pay attention to his off the cuff remarks and things that are said off camera and you'll begin to get a picture of the real Barack Obama. He may not be the same as Trump in how they express their arrogance, but they're both incredibly arrogant individuals nonetheless.
I disagree.
*In fact, I think Obama is currently projecting as fairly insecure, which is causing more trouble for his audience. He has little control over what is done, and it shows. His platform was one of confidence and naivety.
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Care to elaborate? It's fine to just disagree, but I've at least provided some background for why I think that Obama is pompous and arrogant. I'll provide more detailed proof if you'd like. Obama isn't nearly as overt as Trump is, but I respect Trump for simply calling things the way that he sees them. He's not going to sugar coat anything, and I think that's great. I don't know if I'd want him as my President, but at least he wouldn't pretend to be something other than who and what he is.
I don't believe those two things are different in the political arena. I believe it is a matter of insecurity. He no longer has the support of his party (for catering to the ideological demands of newly elected conservatives) and he fittingly does not have the support of the conservatives, so there is not much of a place for him, re-election or not. I don't say the word insecurity as a means to elicit sympathy, I just do not feel he has any remaining arrogance if it ever existed, never mind to the absurd level of Donald Trump.
For clarification, my definition of insecurity in this example is simply a lack of confidence in his ideals, a wavering on those ideals, and a resignation of force towards making those ideals a reality for the country. As a result, his leadership is lacking.
So... let's look at the arrogance of President Obama.
When Arkansas Democratic congressman Marion Berry commented that the Obamacare debate was a replay of Hillarycare in the 90s... he stated that the difference between the two was, "me". It apparently had nothing to do with the majority that the Democrats had in both the House and the Senate at the time. Nope, President Obama himself was the only reason that the health care "reform" bill passed.
Then we have his comments just recently where he claimed that he wasn't out of touch with the "common" American people, and followed it up by saying that he remembered what it was like to pump gas. Really? If that doesn't stand out as being completely out of touch and arrogant, than I don't know what does.
We also have to consider that even now, nearly two and a half years into his presidency, he still blames Bush for things. Really? When are the training wheels going to come off here? Take some responsibility, please. But why should a man as great and wonderful as President Obama dare take anything even remotely resembling blame for anything that's happened over the last two and a half years. Everything is Bush's fault. I wonder if he actually believes that his shit doesn't stink as well.
He's scolded conservatives in his speeches. Really? He also recently took an attitude with a reporter that dared to question him on an answer he gave. He pushed for a health care "reform" bill that a majority of the American people did not want. But you know, President Obama and the rest of the Democrats in Congress know what's best for us. Right? How dare we disagree with the chosen one. He only has our best interests at heart, right?
Here's another great Obama quote, and this is from even before he took office.
Are you kidding me? Certainly sounds like he was buying into his own hype.
He told the American people over and over again, that we needed his stimulus bill in order to keep unemployment at 8%. Then when it went to 9 and even 10%, we were told to be patient, and that if it hadn't been passed, then unemployment would have reached 12-15%. I guess their first estimate was wrong. Then they wanted to pass another stimulus bill, because the first one just wasn't good enough. He also claimed that "every economist" that's looked at the stimulus has agreed that it worked as intended. Except for you know, the Heritage Foundation or the CATO Institute. But apparently those economists don't count because they're conservative or libertarian, right?
He's told Republicans to sit at the back of the bus. Which I found highly amusing given the racial history of sitting at the back of the bus. I'm willing to bet that wasn't lost on our half-black President.
Oh, and we can't forget the fact that during his 2008 Presidential Campaign, he kept talking about the "rich". Well his definition of rich just kept getting lowered. First it was what, over $500,000 a year? The next you you know it was $350,000 a year, and then $250,000, and I think he finally settled at around $150-200,000 a year. Well, my dad makes between those last figures, and he's by no means "rich". My parents live a comfortable life, but it's far from the extravagent lives that our President has made the "rich" out to be living.
He also seems to be oblivious of the fact that there is a good 47% of the country that doesn't even pay taxes. Because he's talked about how the middle class has an unfair tax burden. Well, I'm in the middle class, and while I don't necessarily like paying all that I do in taxes (particularly social security and medicare, since I'll never see that money again), I also don't think that people like me bear the brunt of taxation. Then you consider this figure:
The top 1 percent of American income earners paid 38 percent of all federal income taxes. The top 5 percent that year paid 58 percent.
But damn those rich people! They only pay more than half of the taxes in this country. Greedy bastards. That's what our President would like to make everyone believe. The so-called rich need to be taxed more, because they don't need all of that money. Here's a fairly recent quote.
at a time when the tax burden on the wealthy is at its lowest level in half a century, the most fortunate among us can afford to pay a little more.” “rich people don’t need another tax cut.
Sounds like redistribution of wealth at its finest. The rich don't deserve their money, so they need to give it to us so we can decide what to do with it. Nah, that's not arrogance at all.
I could go on about this subject for hours, and while I'd love to... I don't think it's going to do any good anyway.
When Arkansas Democratic congressman Marion Berry commented that the Obamacare debate was a replay of Hillarycare in the 90s... he stated that the difference between the two was, "me". It apparently had nothing to do with the majority that the Democrats had in both the House and the Senate at the time. Nope, President Obama himself was the only reason that the health care "reform" bill passed.
Then we have his comments just recently where he claimed that he wasn't out of touch with the "common" American people, and followed it up by saying that he remembered what it was like to pump gas. Really? If that doesn't stand out as being completely out of touch and arrogant, than I don't know what does.
We also have to consider that even now, nearly two and a half years into his presidency, he still blames Bush for things. Really? When are the training wheels going to come off here? Take some responsibility, please. But why should a man as great and wonderful as President Obama dare take anything even remotely resembling blame for anything that's happened over the last two and a half years. Everything is Bush's fault. I wonder if he actually believes that his shit doesn't stink as well.
He's scolded conservatives in his speeches. Really? He also recently took an attitude with a reporter that dared to question him on an answer he gave. He pushed for a health care "reform" bill that a majority of the American people did not want. But you know, President Obama and the rest of the Democrats in Congress know what's best for us. Right? How dare we disagree with the chosen one. He only has our best interests at heart, right?
Here's another great Obama quote, and this is from even before he took office.
Are you kidding me? Certainly sounds like he was buying into his own hype.
He told the American people over and over again, that we needed his stimulus bill in order to keep unemployment at 8%. Then when it went to 9 and even 10%, we were told to be patient, and that if it hadn't been passed, then unemployment would have reached 12-15%. I guess their first estimate was wrong. Then they wanted to pass another stimulus bill, because the first one just wasn't good enough. He also claimed that "every economist" that's looked at the stimulus has agreed that it worked as intended. Except for you know, the Heritage Foundation or the CATO Institute. But apparently those economists don't count because they're conservative or libertarian, right?
He's told Republicans to sit at the back of the bus. Which I found highly amusing given the racial history of sitting at the back of the bus. I'm willing to bet that wasn't lost on our half-black President.
Oh, and we can't forget the fact that during his 2008 Presidential Campaign, he kept talking about the "rich". Well his definition of rich just kept getting lowered. First it was what, over $500,000 a year? The next you you know it was $350,000 a year, and then $250,000, and I think he finally settled at around $150-200,000 a year. Well, my dad makes between those last figures, and he's by no means "rich". My parents live a comfortable life, but it's far from the extravagent lives that our President has made the "rich" out to be living.
He also seems to be oblivious of the fact that there is a good 47% of the country that doesn't even pay taxes. Because he's talked about how the middle class has an unfair tax burden. Well, I'm in the middle class, and while I don't necessarily like paying all that I do in taxes (particularly social security and medicare, since I'll never see that money again), I also don't think that people like me bear the brunt of taxation. Then you consider this figure:
The top 1 percent of American income earners paid 38 percent of all federal income taxes. The top 5 percent that year paid 58 percent.
But damn those rich people! They only pay more than half of the taxes in this country. Greedy bastards. That's what our President would like to make everyone believe. The so-called rich need to be taxed more, because they don't need all of that money. Here's a fairly recent quote.
at a time when the tax burden on the wealthy is at its lowest level in half a century, the most fortunate among us can afford to pay a little more.” “rich people don’t need another tax cut.
Sounds like redistribution of wealth at its finest. The rich don't deserve their money, so they need to give it to us so we can decide what to do with it. Nah, that's not arrogance at all.
I could go on about this subject for hours, and while I'd love to... I don't think it's going to do any good anyway.
I don't think that he's wavering at all on his ideals. He's looking for a way to keep the independents that put him in office, while maintaining his base on the left. It's all a political game. He wants to stay in office for another term, so he can attempt to implement his agenda with a fair amount of impunity.
His beliefs haven't changed, you can tell that with the things that he says, if you read between the lines. But like most politicians, he wants to stay in power, he wants another term. So he's doing everything in his power to try and do that. Unfortunately for him (and fortunately for us), he's making himself look like a very poor leader as he does this. He's trying to become Bill Clinton, but he's failing miserably at it.
You mean like the unconstitutional military action in Libya that the President just involved us in?
I appreciate you taking the time for those examples, for the sake of exploration, but they do not change my opinion regarding Trump versus Obama (specifically). I will not claim that Obama is any better than your garden variety politician, meaning...all of the negative and self-promoting things politicians tend to be, but I feel your use of the term Obamacare shows your bias and I cannot agree with the Trump thing
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