America - He's your President for Goodness Sake!

[mazHur]

You didn't have a choice when Germany declared war on you.

I'll say half and half for Kuwait. Obviously the Kuwaiti people didn't deserve Saddam's invasion, and liberating them, whilst securing cheap oil, also saved them from an unlawful occupation. Arguably.

You are almost right. But the Kuwaiti's have been made to pay heavy price for the American ''help''!!

I think both the factions ought to have been left alone to fight until UNO intervened. No one country should
have bypassed the UNO as a matter of principal but nay, greed has no bounds and knows no principle!

 

[Accountable]

I missed what country you're from. How many wars have you intervened in without a vested interest? Name one country who has intervened in any war without vested interest. Until then, fuck off.

Okay, if the War suits your interest, carry on but don't cry like a baby when hit back!
About 10 years of wasteful pursuit has only created more chaos and brought more fear to us all!
Shame!

That's not an answer, that's a dodge, and a bad one at that.

How many wars has your country intervened in without a vested interest, mazHur? Name one country who has intervened in any war without vested interest, mazHur.

 

[mazHur]

That's not an answer, that's a dodge, and a bad one at that.

How many wars has your country intervened in without a vested interest, mazHur? Name one country who has intervened in any war without vested interest, mazHur.

That's not a dodge but a bitter fact hard to digest. Unfortunately we haven't learned any lesson from history
nor have any mind to do it for our lust and greed. Then why blame anyone for that??

 

[Accountable]

That's not a dodge but a bitter fact hard to digest. Unfortunately we haven't learned any lesson from history
nor have any mind to do it for our lust and greed. Then why blame anyone for that??

Again you don't answer my question, even though you claim you have.


How many wars has your country intervened in without a vested interest, mazHur? Name one country who has intervened in any war without vested interest, mazHur.

 

[mazHur]

Again you don't answer my question, even though you claim you have.


How many wars has your country intervened in without a vested interest, mazHur? Name one country who has intervened in any war without vested interest, mazHur.

I will have to refer to some historian such as Gibbons for a specific answer....
but at the moment I recall the War of Roses....ie Britain

 

[Accountable]

I will have to refer to some historian such as Gibbons for a specific answer....
but at the moment I recall the War of Roses....ie Britain

This War of Roses?
http://www.warsoftheroses.com/

The Wars of the Roses were a series of civil wars fought in medieval England from 1455 to 1487 between the House of Lancaster and the House of York. The name Wars of the Roses is based on the badges used by the two sides, the red rose for the Lancastrians and the white rose for the Yorkists. Major causes of the conflict include: 1) both houses were direct descendents of king Edward III; 2) the ruling Lancastrian king, Henry VI, surrounded himself with unpopular nobles; 3) the civil unrest of much of the population; 4) the availability of many powerful lords with their own private armies; and 5) the untimely episodes of mental illness by king Henry VI. Please see the origins page for more information on the start of the wars.

It's hard for me to imagine a weaker example, especially considering the long list of abuses of power since then ... and you dare to point an accusing finger at the US for only fighting where it has a vested interest? Go wipe the egg off your face.

 

[mazHur]

This War of Roses?
http://www.warsoftheroses.com/

It's hard for me to imagine a weaker example, especially considering the long list of abuses of power since then ... and you dare to point an accusing finger at the US for only fighting where it has a vested interest? Go wipe the egg off your face.

I intended to refer to a War which was never fought....

With your mindset I think the EXPANSIONISM era is going to take a re-take off!! Shameful indeed!

 

[Accountable]

I intended to refer to a War which was never fought....

So YOUR COUNTRY NEVER FOUGHT A WAR IN WHICH THERE WASN'T A VESTED INTEREST??

So then your post could logically be rephrased to:

haha! Kuwait sounds funny! were it not for vested interest (OIL) the UK (or whatever my country is, since I dodged that question as well) wouldn't have cared to intervene in Iraq-Kuwait war.....because we haven't intervened in any war without vested interest.

 

[mazHur]

So YOUR COUNTRY NEVER FOUGHT A WAR IN WHICH THERE WASN'T A VESTED INTEREST??

So then your post could logically be rephrased to:

Don't forget that once Sun never set in the British Empire....but was that good???
No, history proved it so. Colonialism and Expansionism is analogous to Fascism and nobody approves it, whether it is for vested interest or not.
Future historians will surely take note of the atrocities of war crimes committed by the Great by dint of their
'Power'.....

Warring for a good cause is fair enough, but ugly if one went warring without a just cause.
If you throw a brick at others don't forget you can get a stone in return...goes an eastern proverb.
War is bad in all its shapes....present situation tends to prove that we have not yet got civilized though we claim to be so and find use of force the only method to vent out our frustrations, whatever.

Turkey stopped warring and gave up all Arab territories back to the Arabs .....to end an end to the misery brought to his country by expansionist pursuits. Why don't you follow good examples rather than din and approve of 10th century psyche of colonialism and expansionism?? Why don't you fell ready to see the world and yourselves in peace..??? Kill those who have harmed your country but don't go on a warring spree on conjectures and surmises. That's not behove great nations.....as it didn't Germany of Hitler, or Mussolini's Italy or Saddam's Iraq!

 

[Accountable]

Don't forget that once Sun never set in the British Empire....but was that good???

You've lost the point. You were all self-righteous and accusing the US of things your country is infamous for, indeed for a practice all countries engage in. I simply pointed out your hypocrisy.

 

[darkcgi]

Because of the past expieriences the US does not trust the government nor the President no matter who he is.
How can a President do his best if his country hates him?
What is the solution??????

 

[Zorak]

Don't forget that once Sun never set in the British Empire....but was that good???
No, history proved it so. Colonialism and Expansionism is analogous to Fascism and nobody approves it,

That's complete... fooey.
Colonialism was about exploration and trade primarily. The scramble for africa, the british and dutch east india companies, this is where colonialism has its roots.

Facism didn't even exist until the fall of the world's empires.

 

[Accountable]

Because of the past expieriences the US does not trust the government nor the President no matter who he is.
How can a President do his best if his country hates him?
What is the solution??????

Elect trustworthy people?

Of course, you won't find one among professional politicians.

 

[Minor Axis]

Elect trustworthy people?

Of course, you won't find one among professional politicians.

Easy to say, but what does that mean exactly when there is a wide spectrum of values held by the millions of people who make up a country?

 

[darkcgi]

Elect trustworthy people?

Of course, you won't find one among professional politicians.

easy to say
so why arent we doing it
because of all the red tape and all the people behind it
I wish we could start over

 

[mazHur]

That's complete... fooey.
Colonialism was about exploration and trade primarily. The scramble for africa, the british and dutch east india companies, this is where colonialism has its roots.

Facism didn't even exist until the fall of the world's empires.

yeah, the exploitation and acquiring resources of the East and forcing Opium wars.....all for vested interest.
Initially the Gold Rush was on individual level Now it is on International level.. no one has the reason to justify the latter!!

 

[mazHur]

Elect trustworthy people?

Of course, you won't find one among professional politicians.

Fantasizing is no solution, never had been. Only Trust begets Trust..

 

[mazHur]

You've lost the point. You were all self-righteous and accusing the US of things your country is infamous for, indeed for a practice all countries engage in. I simply pointed out your hypocrisy.

How come?? You are just fantasizing.
I gave my opinion and you are trying to talk bullshit by calling is 'accusation'....what do you think many authors are doing by penning down myriad of articles about the War and the coalition with utter dislike and disgust and the same are being published by the Western press and media?? That is NOT accusation, just an analysis and opinion how the various writers reflect on the basis of facts available. You ought to learn the difference between Opinion and Accusation....before pointing your teddy finger at me or anybody else....
I do not like to have personal aspersions from you....nobody does.

Spain went out of the coalition because of lack of vested interest...just an example to to feed your imbecile curiosity.

 

[FreightTrain]

Because of the past expieriences the US does not trust the government nor the President no matter who he is.
How can a President do his best if his country hates him?
What is the solution??????

Destroy the 2-party system. It's only proven to separate people for generations!!

 

[Minor Axis]

Destroy the 2-party system. It's only proven to separate people for generations!!

How do yo propose to do that or is this just wishful thinking? BTW, we don't have a two party system in the U.S. It's a however many parties you'd like, but we have two predominant parties of the peoples' choosing.