America - He's your President for Goodness Sake!

[TommyTooter]

Odd. The author must've been napping through the last decade or so.

decade? the premise is largely ka-ka. there isn't a president in my memory that didn't take some flak from somewhere and my memory goes back to eisenhower.

everybody in the office deserves to be torn down for what they actually do -- not what some prejudiced dotards think they'll do.

 

[Minor Axis]

both sides sling mud Minor

with equal amounts of distaste

you are dreaming if you think otherwise

I disagree. It was the Republican Party under the leadership of Newt who changed the discourse from "You are misguided" to "You are the spawn of Satan the scum of the Earth". Fact. Most interesting is that this time period coincided when the religious right was immersing themselves in the Republican Party, imagine that. Yes, there are Democrats who are starting to use these tactics to be competitive and I condemn them for it.

Toots, welcome to the forum!

 

[Alien Allen]

I disagree. It was the Republican Party under the leadership of Newt who changed the discourse from "You are misguided" to "You are the spawn of Satan the scum of the Earth". Fact. Most interesting is that this time period coincided when the religious right was immersing themselves in the Republican Party, imagine that. Yes, there are Democrats who are starting to use these tactics to be competitive and I condemn them for it.

Of course you disagree

You are a liberal and find little to fault with the democrats

As to the religious right you will get no argument from me. I can not stand what they have done to the republican party.

Thus why I consider myself a libertarian for the most part

 

[FreightTrain]

America - He's your President for Goodness Sake!



There was a time not so long ago when Americans, regardless of their political stripes, rallied round their president. Once elected, the man who won the White House was no longer viewed as a Republican or Democrat, but the President of the United States. The oath of office was taken, the wagons were circled around the country’s borders and it was America versus the rest of the world with the president of all the people at the helm.​

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Thank you MazHur for finding this article. I think the opening and title say alot about the state of America today. There was a time when Americans rallied behind their troops at times of war, as well, but it seems we've become too PC and too involved with taking sides than to unite behind anything. The title "United States" doesn't seem to fit anymore. We're a land so proud of our freedoms that we forsake any kind of loyalty to anything other than our own political party. We forget what it took to get us all the freedoms we have today. We've taken alot for granted. Other countries have looked up to us since election day 2008 and yet we find the most insignificant little gripes, degrade our President, and demoralize our troops. Things have definitely changed. I think it's fitting that a Canadian found the article and agrees with it. Canadians are North Americans afterall. What's next to wake us up--a South American disgraced that the US is bickering over the war on terrorism??

 

[mazHur]

[/INDENT]Thank you MazHur for finding this article. I think the opening and title say alot about the state of America today. There was a time when Americans rallied behind their troops at times of war, as well, but it seems we've become too PC and too involved with taking sides than to unite behind anything. The title "United States" doesn't seem to fit anymore. We're a land so proud of our freedoms that we forsake any kind of loyalty to anything other than our own political party. We forget what it took to get us all the freedoms we have today. We've taken alot for granted. Other countries have looked up to us since election day 2008 and yet we find the most insignificant little gripes, degrade our President, and demoralize our troops. Things have definitely changed. I think it's fitting that a Canadian found the article and agrees with it. Canadians are North Americans afterall. What's next to wake us up--a South American disgraced that the US is bickering over the war on terrorism??

FTrain, I am with you in this regard, you spake from the depths of your heart and you are right!!

 

[Accountable]

Thank you MazHur for finding this article. I think the opening and title say alot about the state of America today. There was a time when Americans rallied behind their troops at times of war, as well, but it seems we've become too PC and too involved with taking sides than to unite behind anything.

There was a time when America went to war for principles. There was a time when we elected leaders who respected the Constitution instead of rock stars who respect nothing at all.

The title "United States" doesn't seem to fit anymore. We're a land so proud of our freedoms that we forsake any kind of loyalty to anything other than our own political party.

We're not proud of our freedoms. We take them for granted.

We forget what it took to get us all the freedoms we have today. We've taken alot for granted.

Including you, apparently. http://www.offtopicz.net/showpost.php?p=1756840&postcount=9

 

[edgray]

There was a time when America went to war for principles.

lol when?

 

[FreightTrain]

That only goes to prove that I don't take my freedoms for granted and that I accept inconveniences to allow my government to help keep me safe. I don't bark that my rights are being violated during a pat-down.

 

[Accountable]

lol when?

WWII maybe? Kuwait, arguably.

That only goes to prove that I don't take my freedoms for granted and that I accept inconveniences to allow my government to help keep me safe. I don't bark that my rights are being violated during a pat-down.

Your rights are being violated during a pat-down conducted by federal agents without a warrant or cause. You do indeed take such freedom for granted because you thoughtlessly accept the government's word that it is necessary, when no one else in the entire world seems to need to do the same thing.

 

[edgray]

WWII maybe? Kuwait, arguably.

WWII, you didn't have any choice , but yes, one of the only just conflicts of the past 100 years.

Kuwait, possibly... of course it was considerably more complex than simply saving the innocent people of Kuwait.... is oil a principled motive?

 

[mazHur]

WWII, you didn't have any choice , but yes, one of the only just conflicts of the past 100 years.

Kuwait, possibly... of course it was considerably more complex than simply saving the innocent people of Kuwait.... is oil a principled motive?

haha! Kuwait sounds funny! were it not for vested interest (OIL) America wouldn't have cared to intervene
in Iraq-Kuwait war.....because it hasn't intervened in any war without vested interest. for example, why didn't it stop India to break up Pakistan's Eastern Wing, now Bangla Desh?? Why is it quiet on killing going on in Indian occupied Kashmir?? the answer is simple: that is, there is no 'glitter' for the super power!!
Even the Afghan war is a futile pursuit except for control on resources and political reasons....

 

[Accountable]

WWII, you didn't have any choice , but yes, one of the only just conflicts of the past 100 years.

Kuwait, possibly... of course it was considerably more complex than simply saving the innocent people of Kuwait.... is oil a principled motive?

WWII was a choice. We could've focused on Japan. It would've been dumb, but we could've. And no, oil isn't a principled motive, thus the term "arguably."

haha! Kuwait sounds funny! were it not for vested interest (OIL) America wouldn't have cared to intervene
in Iraq-Kuwait war.....because it hasn't intervened in any war without vested interest. for example, why didn't it stop India to break up Pakistan's Eastern Wing, now Bangla Desh?? Why is it quiet on killing going on in Indian occupied Kashmir?? the answer is simple: that is, there is no 'glitter' for the super power!!
Even the Afghan war is a futile pursuit except for control on resources and political reasons....

I missed what country you're from. How many wars have you intervened in without a vested interest? Name one country who has intervened in any war without vested interest. Until then, fuck off.

 

[Alien Allen]

Afghanistan is a quagmire full of tribal lords with little natural resources if I am not mistaken so what exactly would we gain from going there other than to kill the Taliban and AQ to protect them from attacking us as they did.

You can have that hell hole MazHur

Oh wait I forgot I bet you are one that thinks Bush took down the twin towers and that there were no terrorists on those planes and some are living quietly somewhere on earth

 

[Guyzerr]

I missed what country you're from. How many wars have you intervened in without a vested interest? Name one country who has intervened in any war without vested interest. Until then, fuck off.

How about changing that to " a legitimate unselfish interest " ?

 

[Accountable]

How about changing that to " a legitimate unselfish interest " ?

Don't apologize for him yet. Give him a chance to answer.

 

[Guyzerr]

Don't apologize for him yet. Give him a chance to answer.

Shit ! Sorry about that.

 

[Minor Axis]

WWII maybe? Kuwait, arguably.

Your rights are being violated during a pat-down conducted by federal agents without a warrant or cause. You do indeed take such freedom for granted because you thoughtlessly accept the government's word that it is necessary, when no one else in the entire world seems to need to do the same thing.

Approved!

 

[edgray]

WWII was a choice. We could've focused on Japan. It would've been dumb, but we could've. And no, oil isn't a principled motive, thus the term "arguably."

You didn't have a choice when Germany declared war on you.

I'll say half and half for Kuwait. Obviously the Kuwaiti people didn't deserve Saddam's invasion, and liberating them, whilst securing cheap oil, also saved them from an unlawful occupation. Arguably.

 

[mazHur]

WWII was a choice. We could've focused on Japan. It would've been dumb, but we could've. And no, oil isn't a principled motive, thus the term "arguably."

I missed what country you're from. How many wars have you intervened in without a vested interest? Name one country who has intervened in any war without vested interest. Until then, fuck off.

Okay, if the War suits your interest, carry on but don't cry like a baby when hit back!
About 10 years of wasteful pursuit has only created more chaos and brought more fear to us all!
Shame!

 

[mazHur]

Afghanistan is a quagmire full of tribal lords with little natural resources if I am not mistaken so what exactly would we gain from going there other than to kill the Taliban and AQ to protect them from attacking us as they did.

You can have that hell hole MazHur

Oh wait I forgot I bet you are one that thinks Bush took down the twin towers and that there were no terrorists on those planes and some are living quietly somewhere on earth

I condemn the terrorists whoever they are but at the same I also disapprove indiscriminate war...plain enough.
I don't like to note innocent people being killed, the marines maimed and dead, in a blind pursuit where you can't even identify your enemy!

Coalition partners are also gettin wary of the US whims and stepping back gradually...also many nations do not stand with the US in its 'ploy' under the guise of war on terror. Everybody knows the terrorists who bombed the US were Saudis or Saudi tools, yet the world powers, especially the US and UK are fully supporting the Saudi dictatorship where the laws actually enforced are the same as Taliban's in Afghanistan! This is clearcut hypocrisy .....

What a waste of dear men and public money on a wasteful pursuit which doesn't seem to show any light at the end of the tunnel!! Being a super power doesn't mean it has to step over the UNO and do anything and everything at its whims! Since it is happening the UNO will soon suffer the fate of League of Nations and whiz off.

As Einstien put it, he can't say how WW111 wquld be fought but WW1V would surely be fought with sticks and stones (not his actual words) ..so keep ready, my friend!