Alabama's new immigration law

[retro]

I also think the school districts should identify which children come from the families of home owners and which ones are renters.
It's the home owners that pay school taxes, so we should know who's pulling their weight or not. Right?

A renter pays rent to the owner, who then pays property taxes with the money that the renter pays them. You're being obtuse, as usual.

edit: I just read the rest of the thread, and I see the point that you were getting at... though I completely disagree with it.

Try living in an area where there are a whole helluva lot of illegal immigrants that don't pay taxes on the money that they're paid... other than sales tax or perhaps indirectly through rent. Our school districts around here are incredibly hard up for money, our classroom sizes are huge, and there are tons of kids that just expect to be taught in spanish rather than english, which causes all kinds of other problems.

 

[Tim]

A renter pays rent to the owner, who then pays property taxes with the money that the renter pays them. You're being obtuse, as usual.

Read my subsequent posts to see the point I was making.

 

[retro]

Read my subsequent posts to see the point I was making.

read my edit

 

[All Else Failed]

Exactly...

That's what makes this law total and complete bullshit.

So what if a child is going their that's from parents who are in this country illegally? They rent, right? So they are also paying school taxes. So the bullshit argument that the "legal" citizens of this country are paying with their hard earned money to pay for "illegal" immigrants is just that, bullshit.

So why do we need the schools to check into the background of every student?

Because they're illegals

Though I know people abuse the system with children, I think children should be protected from hunting illegals at all costs.
This should be about the grown adults who make the choice to do illegal things, not the children in the middle, even if it costs taxpayers in the meantime of finding a real solution to this problem.

It seems we are tackling this valid immigration problem like a person in a canoe with a hole in the side scooping water out with a bucket instead of plugging the hole. I do believe that tougher regulations might reduce the influx of immigrants and "plug the hole" on it's own, but I haven't seen (maybe they exist and aren't as public) enough propositions regarding really making it desirable to come here legally. Maybe I'm naive but I do think it's possible to do so.

I think as long as a company will hire an illegal immigrant, we will never fix this problem.
Put away the cheese and the mice stop coming, yanno?

so when they come here and drop an anchor baby or five are you going to keep the parents in the country or what


this is about kids too.

 

[Tim]

Once again... our public schools are primarily funded with property taxes. This is why you get much better schools in more affluent areas of the state. State taxes is the next big contributor of public school funds.

Whether or not you pay income taxes has very little to do with school funding.


Even if we can't agree on this point, the Supreme court has already ruled that you CANNOT deny primary schooling due to citizenship status. So why does the state need to spend millions of tax payer dollars to investigate citizenship of the student body?

 

[Tim]

Because they're illegals

Actually many of these kids aren't illegal, they were born in the US.

Do you think it's wrong to educate the children of illegal immigrants? Should we turn them away?

 

[All Else Failed]

Actually many of these kids aren't illegal, they were born in the US.

Do you think it's wrong to educate the children of illegal immigrants? Should we turn them away?

There is a difference: They are anchor babies. Many of them were born for a purpose.


Yes we should turn away parents and children.

 

[Tim]

There is a difference: They are anchor babies. Many of them were born for a purpose.


Yes we should turn away parents and children.

It would be against the law to kick out American citizens.

You are stating what you would like to see happen, but unless the law is changed, we will never see that happen.... thank god

 

[All Else Failed]

There are actually a lot of American citizens that should be thrown into exile. These people transcend race, gender, status and religion.

 

[Panacea]

so when they come here and drop an anchor baby or five are you going to keep the parents in the country or what


this is about kids too.

Kids shouldn't be punished for a parent's bad behaviors, I don't even like kids and I'm not that heartless.
Deportation, a legalization program, doesn't matter to me, make the parents legal or deport the family depending on the case but don't choke the children out while they are here, it's not their fault.

 

[All Else Failed]

Of course the children are an unfortunate aspect of this problem, but there must be consequences.

 

[Panacea]

Of course the children are an unfortunate aspect of this problem, but there must be consequences.

The consequences should fall directly on the parents, only indirectly on the children and with as little damage as possible in my opinion. Denying children an education is punishing them directly, and if they were born here, I'd guess it's illegal in itself.

It's going about the immigration problem the wrong way, and like others have said, it just an absurd waste of time.

 

[HK]

If a child was found to be from illegal parents and was taken out of school, wouldn't the parents get deported anyway and therefore have to take the child back to their own country?

I don't know much about your deportation system, I was just thinking if a child was refused a school place because of illegal parents, would they be in the country for much longer anyway, since the parents got found out?

 

[Panacea]

If a child was found to be from illegal parents and was taken out of school, wouldn't the parents get deported anyway and therefore have to take the child back to their own country?

I don't know much about your deportation system, I was just thinking if a child was refused a school place because of illegal parents, would they be in the country for much longer anyway, since the parents got found out?

It's a good point, I'm not sure what the deal would be. I don't know how fast the deportation process is.

 

[brieze]

I hate to say it but AEF is making sense to me.

It's horrible but the US can't take care of the world, not at the expense of our own citizens, who pay ALL the taxes. And that's what we're doing. It's not working and something has to change.

 

[All Else Failed]

The consequences should fall directly on the parents, only indirectly on the children and with as little damage as possible in my opinion. Denying children an education is punishing them directly, and if they were born here, I'd guess it's illegal in itself.

It's going about the immigration problem the wrong way, and like others have said, it just an absurd waste of time.

How would you punish the parents?



I wouldn't say upholding reasonable immigration laws is "absurd". The south is basically being reclaimed by Mexico.

 

[brieze]

HThe south is basically being reclaimed by Mexico.[/quote]

Seriously.

 

[Panacea]

How would you punish the parents?



I wouldn't say upholding reasonable immigration laws is "absurd". The south is basically being reclaimed by Mexico.

By deporting them, jailing them if they have been found to have committed crimes, or entering them in a program to obtain citizenship.

Ah you know it's incorrect or possibly dramatic to insinuate I find upholding immigration laws absurd, I feel this proposal is absurd. There is a difference. I'm quite in favor of legal citizens and quite unhappy with the amount of illegals in the country.

I would support a measure that goes after illegal immigrant workers before the children of illegal immigrants directly. They're coming here for jobs and getting hired. This needs to stop. Sure, some may slip by with fake IDs, but they will be found out eventually.

The immigrant problem is just like any problem...the questions that need to be asked are WHY are they coming here and HOW are they coming here? The answers to these questions can begin shutting down their illegal access to this country.

My dad is a chef; tons of illegals at his job, and my state doesn't even have a huge problem with this. If we know this, why are they still here? Why would we need to go search out their kids in school when we know they work right here?

You have to get rid of these workers, plain and simple.

 

[HK]

I guess the problem is, it's easy enough to say 'we know about illegal workers' in your own backyard but could you point out any in a different state? I'm guessing there are procedures that have to be followed before they can declare someone illegal and have them deported, and they can't go and hang out in diners or supermarkets to see who looks suspicious.

The other problem being that isn't the whole appeal for american employers the fact that they will work for cheap? No one's going to report that they hired a kitchen full of illegal citizens to avoid having to pay higher rates for american workers.

 

[Panacea]

The other problem being that isn't the whole appeal for american employers the fact that they will work for cheap? No one's going to report that they hired a kitchen full of illegal citizens to avoid having to pay higher rates for american workers.

Yep, and this is the root of the problem in my eyes. Desperate immigrants and certain companies/businesses need to have their addiction from one another broken. No, you can't fucking come here illegally to work, and no you can't fucking hire illegals. It doesn't make sense why this is allowed to occur so much.

That's all they do is work! Every illegal I've ever heard of is holding down 2-4 jobs, it's insane.

We will never stop these people (short of shooting them in the head at the border) unless there is no work for them when they get here. Even if they plan to have children in the US, they can do so because someone is illegal and working, helping them out.