African American prejudice against homosexuals by a margin of 3 to 1!!!

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Fox Mulder said:
Yes--that's exactly right. The state has the right to define marriage, not a fucking judge. This is not brain surgery -- I myself don't care ultimately whether gay marraige is allowed or not--what I do care about is who says its allowed.
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but now i'm curious about the passage of prop 8.....my take is that is does violate separation of church and state

like peter (and you), i've got no problem with gay marriage....and proposition 8 was, to me, a successful attempt to insinuate a religious perspective into the law

what'a your legal perspective say?

i guess more to the point, isn't that a legal arguement that could overturn the will of the people?....i never read the judges' rulings on this....was this their reasoning, as well?
 
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Mikewastaken said:
I don't know if it has been said, but.

Of all people, blacks shouldn't be saying no to this. Why?
Don't they remember the 100's of years of slavery, where white people could say what they could or could not do. It's the same situation pretty much.

Now blacks are saying to gay's they can't get married, puh lease.
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Personally, I dont see how that should have anything to do with it, yes slavery was bad but it was years ago, you dont see me having a problem with the French because they conquered our country years ago. Besides, slavery would never have happened anyway without African tribal leaders selling their prisoners to the whites, Whites arn't the only ones responsible for slavery. Anyway, it hasn't gone on in this generation and it kind of sounds like a pathetic excuse when people still use it.
 
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siasl said:
but now i'm curious about the passage of prop 8.....my take is that is does violate separation of church and state

like peter (and you), i've got no problem with gay marriage....and proposition 8 was, to me, a successful attempt to insinuate a religious perspective into the law

what'a your legal perspective say?

i guess more to the point, isn't that a legal arguement that could overturn the will of the people?....i never read the judges' rulings on this....was this their reasoning, as well?
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I'm tired of hearing the separation of church and state argument... Can anyone show me, ANYONE, where in the Constitution it says ANYTHING about separation of church and state? Please? ;)
 
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SgtSpike said:
I'm tired of hearing the separation of church and state argument... Can anyone show me, ANYONE, where in the Constitution it says ANYTHING about separation of church and state? Please? ;)
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That's the "venacular" that people use whe discussing the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." There is little serious debate that amendment was intended to separate the function of church and state (hence the use of "separation of church and state."

So pretty easy when for example a city would pass a law requiring a priest or minister to sit on the city council--that's a very obvious violation of the First Amendment. More difficult are these cases such as the ten commandments at a courthouse or "In God We Trust" on money or a Nativity scene at a town center. Arguable none of those violate the first amendment, but liberals want to "stretch" it to completely remove any reference to God or religion from government, which is absolutely not what the first amendment says, which is I think your point.
 
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we had a nativity scene battle in a small city next to where I work.

the city lost

and hockey players are better athletes than basketball players :D
 
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Obviously you cocksuckers don't know jack about athletic skill (or the US Constitution!!!) Maybe Leather and Lace can give you a lesson!!! :24:
 
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Fox Mulder said:
That's the "venacular" that people use whe discussing the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." There is little serious debate that amendment was intended to separate the function of church and state (hence the use of "separation of church and state."

So pretty easy when for example a city would pass a law requiring a priest or minister to sit on the city council--that's a very obvious violation of the First Amendment. More difficult are these cases such as the ten commandments at a courthouse or "In God We Trust" on money or a Nativity scene at a town center. Arguable none of those violate the first amendment, but liberals want to "stretch" it to completely remove any reference to God or religion from government, which is absolutely not what the first amendment says, which is I think your point.
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Exactly, thanks for pointing that out clearly. :thumbup
 
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