Abortion... Your thoughts on why, why not.

[Goat Whisperer]

Because within about 21 days of the sperm and egg merging (which is pretty close to when you'd find out you are pregnant) that sperm/egg combo has a beating heart. That is what makes it different to an egg or sperm cell individually. And in my opinion, something with a beating heart is a life!

You're right, that does mean it's alive. Lots of things have beating hearts that are alive...but what separates something that's simply alive to something that is a conscous being with basic rights?

Sperm and eggs are considered alive by scientists; having a beating heart isn't a requirement.

 

[Hans]

It should never be about punishment. I can understand you wanting to protect 'life' but it isn't their belief that sex is wrong. That is your belief. To them, it isn't irresponsible or immoral. You shouldn't have the ability to punish someone for having a different moral belief then you; unless if it infringes upon the rights of other people (fetuses are not legally people btw).

Why shouldnt it be about punishment? Just because it is not as virtuous or hallmark-ish in quality does not mean that it is any less important. Also, you are taking an excessive leap saying sex is wrong. Abortion and pre-marital sex are so far apart, it is really not even comparable. People will have sex. However, people in THIS nation have access to free clinics and other methods in which to get birth control. I cannot believe any valid excuse which would say they were unable to obtain it, unless they are underage. Even then, there are many ways to get it.

In essence, the point is responsibility. If you have sex, great. If you get someone pregnant, that is a result of the sex you had. If it was unintentional, it is YOUR fault for not practicing safe sex. You are the one at fault for not taking the proper precautions and you should have to deal with those consequences. Just like most any other thing in life.

What is the difference between me using a condom to kill a baby before it is conceived and letting it conceive and killing it a month later anyways?

That depends on who you are asking. There is no zygote at the sperm by itself. There is no way for sperm itself to evolve into a human being. It must be combined with a female egg, once that happens life is formed.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Why shouldnt it be about punishment? Just because it is not as virtuous or hallmark-ish in quality does not mean that it is any less important. Also, you are taking an excessive leap saying sex is wrong. Abortion and pre-marital sex are so far apart, it is really not even comparable. People will have sex. However, people in THIS nation have access to free clinics and other methods in which to get birth control. I cannot believe any valid excuse which would say they were unable to obtain it, unless they are underage. Even then, there are many ways to get it.

In essence, the point is responsibility. If you have sex, great. If you get someone pregnant, that is a result of the sex you had. If it was unintentional, it is YOUR fault for not practicing safe sex. You are the one at fault for not taking the proper precautions and you should have to deal with those consequences. Just like most any other thing in life.

It still shouldn't be about punishment. A CHILD a HUMAN BEING should not be used to PUNISH someone.

That depends on who you are asking. There is no zygote at the sperm by itself. There is no way for sperm itself to evolve into a human being. It must be combined with a female egg, once that happens life is formed.

Sperm and eggs are still alive.

What is the difference between killing a fetus a month after conception instead of killing it at conception?

The egg and sperm are both killed by not conceiving them.

If you don't combine them, they die. When you combined them, they died from an abortion. But if you hadn't combined them, they still would have died.

 

[Butterfly]

A CHILD a HUMAN BEING

Which makes it ok to kill it??

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Which makes it ok to kill it??

What you are punishing them with is forcing them to have a child.

IMO killing the fetus before it comes that child is not killing the child.

 

[Tim]

... If it was unintentional, it is YOUR fault for not practicing safe sex. You are the one at fault for not taking the proper precautions and you should have to deal with those consequences....

Just out of curiosity, do you know how many abortions are performed on women who WERE practicing safe sex at the time they got pregnant?

You make it sound so clear cut and simple.

If a married couple is not in any shape or form ready to have kids and they get pregnant while practicing safe sex, you believe they should be punished?

 

[GuesSAngel]

Now that my son is safe he's pro-choice

 

[wednesday]

Just out of curiosity, do you know how many abortions are performed on women who WERE practicing safe sex at the time they got pregnant?

You make it sound so clear cut and simple.

If a married couple is not in any shape or form ready to have kids and they get pregnant while practicing safe sex, you believe they should be punished?

Absolutely..
This argument isnt about safe sex, hell safe sex is no sex.
Its about whether people should be chased down on a witch hunt for justice for deciding on having an abortion.

I notice most of my posts are ignored, which is fine by me..but still, no one gave me a straight and honest answer bar from butterfly if a pregnancy should be allowed to go ahead, when both parents are aware..the child will have no future??The child will be born and possible die within hrs/days...that if that child lived longer it would be brain damaged.
What are your thoughts on abortion in this case? Would it be murder?? Or humane?

 

[anathelia]

There's no clear cut, definitive answer to this question. And anyone who tries to pretend there is is being naive. There are plenty of circumstances in which an abortion should be allowed. But just killing something for the sake of "oops" is where the problem is. Do I think every 16 year old who accidentally gets knocked up should have to face the repercussions of their actions and raise that child? No. That's stupid. But she should REALIZE there are other options that involve NOT killing the innocent life that came of whatever circumstances brought them around. They exist. And I think it's wrong that every girl who says "oops" has the option of "fixing" their oops. Especially with all the risks involved.

 

[Hans]

There's no clear cut, definitive answer to this question. And anyone who tries to pretend there is is being naive. There are plenty of circumstances in which an abortion should be allowed. But just killing something for the sake of "oops" is where the problem is. Do I think every 16 year old who accidentally gets knocked up should have to face the repercussions of their actions and raise that child? No. That's stupid. But she should REALIZE there are other options that involve NOT killing the innocent life that came of whatever circumstances brought them around. They exist. And I think it's wrong that every girl who says "oops" has the option of "fixing" their oops. Especially with all the risks involved.

Pretty solid right there. Although it seems like you'd be easier on younger people than I would. I guess I am just a nazi.

 

[alice in chains]

Your wife was raped at knife point while you worked a few extra hours at work. She gets pregnant.

Do you tell her to shut the fuck up and not be a hypocrite? To account for the same with the life you're trying to fuck with?

Debate that.

You don't believe in preventable measure. you'll realize one day to stop looking for help in every place except for yourself...

 

[alice in chains]

But there is no 100% effective contraception, without having sex. Unless we should all stop having sex until a better contraception is made or people want children?

A couple could be using protection against pregnancy and still it happens. Why should they be forced to have a child they don't want?

if you ue birth control and condoms, the chances of getting pregnant are extremely low so that's a shitty defense.

 

[itsmeJonB]

if you ue birth control and condoms, the chances of getting pregnant are extremely low so that's a shitty defense.

implying 'extremely low' is equal to a 100% guarantee

 

[alice in chains]

implying 'extremely low' is equal to a 100% guarantee

I've never mentioned anywhere about a 100% gurantee lol. i know there are exception, but very few are legit...

 

[itsmeJonB]

I've never mentioned anywhere about a 100% gurantee lol. i know there are exception, but very few are legit...

thats why its called an "implication". please, try to keep up.
you quoted Abcinthia who mentioned there were no 100% guarantees to prevent an unwanted birth, even with forms of birth control, in which you responded using birth control and condoms makes the chances extremely low, then insulting her defense.

 

[Dana]

Why? Because
Why Not? Because.

 

[alice in chains]

thats why its called an "implication". please, try to keep up.
you quoted Abcinthia who mentioned there were no 100% guarantees to prevent an unwanted birth, even with forms of birth control, in which you responded using birth control and condoms makes the chances extremely low, then insulting her defense.

here, i'll put something i know you can relate to so you can feel better about your weak arguments...

:urstupid::blowme::nanners:wned::horse:blah::alcoholic::banana2:

have fun, buddy...

 

[Dana]

i have some weird thoughts lmfao

 

[itsmeJonB]

here, i'll put something i know you can relate to so you can feel better about your weak arguments...

:urstupid::blowme::nanners:wned::horse:blah::alcoholic::banana2:

have fun, buddy...

so what you're saying is you have no rebuttal other than "you're argument is stupid and so are you"
I don't see how smilies are something that I can 'relate to', interesting choice in words, irrelevant nonetheless

 

[Nguyen]

It seems to me that a woman's body is her personal property and, barring some previous agreement not to terminate the pregnancy, neither the father, nor the child, have any right to the woman's body.

This may seem oversimplistic to some people, but I like to keep things simple (and liberal).