A hypothetical about why one can terminate a pregnancy but why one cannot terminate the life of someone who cannot sustain their own life, you mean?
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A hypothetical about why one can terminate a pregnancy but why one cannot terminate the life of someone who cannot sustain their own life, you mean?
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Accountable
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Does it have to be tartare? We Texans are kinda hooked on a good mesquite smoke.
Accountable
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Ah, you mean this:
Well, as I said, it's a fetus until birth, because generally, when it is born, it can sustain it's own life.
Viability though, is a tricky one. When is a fetus 100% viable? At birth, obviously, perhaps even a week or two before. A fetus is generally not viable if born more than a month early - as it needs medical assistance to survive. Because of this, has it taken a breath? For me, it becomes a baby/person when it has breathed. If it hasn't breathed on it's own, I don't see it as a baby so much, and nor a fetus, but rather as a dependant life.
Accountable
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I'm bowing out of this this thread in deference to forum harmony. Too many euphamisms flying around for my taste.
I think a women who has an abortion should be tried the same as if she had killed a born child.
Murder is killing which is unjustified. Abortions are unjustified (most of the time), so most of them are murder.
And yes, I agree with you that there can/will be complications if abortion was made illegal. There would have to be exceptions for when the mother's life is in danger, or something similar. Other than those special circumstances though, it should be completely illegal to have an abortion.
Question for Alien Allen: So you believe it is ok to kill a baby if it could not survive on its own? What about an unborn baby who could survive on its own - is it ok to kill those ones too?
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
I am about as big of a pro choice supporter as you will find. It is none of my business how a woman I do not know deals with this issue. Until there is a breathing baby it is not killing and is not murder in my view. Do I like the thought of it happening. No. I would like it to not happen. But it is none of my business and I have always felt that it is a fundamental right of a woman to have control over her body and if that right is taken away we no longer are a free society as that would be just the start of the errosion of rights.
Fair enough. We just disagree about when a baby is considered "free" then.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
no we disagree about what is a babyFair enough. We just disagree about when a baby is considered "free" then.
GuesSAngel
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I'm pro-choice. It's MY body MY choice and MY decision. Like HELL if some law would tell me something that I can't do with my own body.
I just don't agree with the way it is used as a 'birth control' or a mistake fixer.
I just don't agree with the way it is used as a 'birth control' or a mistake fixer.
:homo:That in a nutshell is all that needs to be said:clap:clap
Peter Parka
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Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
well not really
unless you want to argue the legality of the death penalty
murder is the unlawful killing of a human
Peter Parka
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Well I do believe that once a semen has got into the egg, that is a human and killing it is murder. Guess this is a debate for another thread though, Christ, it's been done enough times.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
well it is the topic of this thread. but you are right it has been debated enough. nobody gets their minds changed and then you have some that come in and make flaming comments that are uncalled for. hopefully the latest one that is uncalled for gets nukedWell I do believe that once a semen has got into the egg, that is a human and killing it is murder. Guess this is a debate for another thread though, Christ, it's been done enough times.
Peter Parka
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well it is the topic of this thread. but you are right it has been debated enough. nobody gets their minds changed and then you have some that come in and make flaming comments that are uncalled for. hopefully the latest one that is uncalled for gets nuked
Yup! That person who reckoned someone having pro or anti abortion licence plates on their car would cause violence comes to mind. Christ, I'm very anti abortion but if disagreeing with someone causes violence, the pro violence people are the ones to answer, I prefer Ghandi's method.
Accountable
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Fair enough. We just disagree about when a baby is considered "free" then.
You disagree about what is a human.no we disagree about what is a baby
EngineThatCould
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If a semen entering an egg means that any woman who has a miscarriage should have to report it to the police department as well as the hospital.
Also, investigations would have to be made regularly to determine what the cause of death was an a death certificate would have to be issued before a birth certificate.
Also, investigations would have to be made regularly to determine what the cause of death was an a death certificate would have to be issued before a birth certificate.
My mother was there for me all throughout my childhood and I really didn't have a father. My mother and my biological father weren't together and my moms boyfriend was a dick and I came out just fine. :thumbdown
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