Abort Abort!

[Accountable]

Ah, but there is one problem with that. While it sounds good in theory, one would need to have the woman's permission to perform the necessary surgery to remove her fetus.:thumbup

Why on earth would you define that as a problem?? :unsure:

 

[SgtSpike]

It is not a baby

It is a fetus

Big difference

I am very rigid on this one Sarge

It is a moral issue that is used as a political one.

One can use every argument they like but for me this is a personal issue that a woman is the one to decide on.

So when does a fetus become a baby? When it breaths its first breath of air? When it's 6 months into pregnancy?

Even if it is a moral issue, it should be treated politically, just like murder or stealing would (which are both moral issues as well).

And I don't care how the baby is created, by rape or whatever else. It's a HUMAN BEING. That's like saying Joe your neighbor looks like a guy who raped you, and because he reminds him of you he should be killed. Ridiculous. Give up your selfish desires and give the babies a chance at life!!

 

[wednesday]

What about a mother who has been told her child will die upon birth.
I think it would be VERY selfish to put not only the baby through that stressful birth but the mother emotionally knowing her child will die.
There are so many circumstances that people dont seem to realize...Who are you to judge anyone Sgt??

 

[pjbleek]

I believe in choice...
freedom to decide on your own and not share with anyone

 

[EngineThatCould]

I'm just curious, those of you that think it should be illegal because it's murder: what should happen to the women who do have abortions?

Is it first degree murder? I think most abortions are pre-meditated.

 

[pjbleek]

I'm just curious, those of you that think it should be illegal because it's murder: what should happen to the women who do have abortions?

Is it first degree murder? I think most abortions are pre-meditated.

^^
please back that up

 

[Alien Allen]

So when does a fetus become a baby? When it breaths its first breath of air? When it's 6 months into pregnancy?

Even if it is a moral issue, it should be treated politically, just like murder or stealing would (which are both moral issues as well).

And I don't care how the baby is created, by rape or whatever else. It's a HUMAN BEING. That's like saying Joe your neighbor looks like a guy who raped you, and because he reminds him of you he should be killed. Ridiculous. Give up your selfish desires and give the babies a chance at life!!

It is a baby IMO when it would be viable on its own.

It is a fetus until that time and there lies the difference for me.

 

[Accountable]

It is a baby IMO when it would be viable on its own.

It is a fetus until that time and there lies the difference for me.

So if a woman, um ... lemme see, what's the word? ... if a doctor extracts a, um, mass of cells with unique DNA after appropriate gestation time, yet the, er, mass isn't viable because, say, its lungs aren't fully developed and it still needs machines to help its organs function, its still a fetus?

 

[Peter Parka]

This poll is too black and white. I voted legal but that would give you the wrong impression. I only believe it should be legal in certain situations, rape victim, serious health risks ect but not for some stupid girl who got drunk at a party and didn't use a condom, you make a stupid mistake, murdering an innocent human to get out of it is barbaric imo.

 

[Alien Allen]

So if a woman, um ... lemme see, what's the word? ... if a doctor extracts a, um, mass of cells with unique DNA after appropriate gestation time, yet the, er, mass isn't viable because, say, its lungs aren't fully developed and it still needs machines to help its organs function, its still a fetus?

pretty much

yup

 

[Accountable]

pretty much

yup

So a baby who is delivered yet can't live on its own is still a fetus?? :willy_nilly:
I don't suppose you'd call any human who isn't "viable" eligible for death, would you?

 

[EngineThatCould]

I'm just curious, those of you that think it should be illegal because it's murder: what should happen to the women who do have abortions?

Is it first degree murder? I think most abortions are pre-meditated.

Hey Sgt. You seem to be the only pro-lifer still posting here. Maybe you could give me your opinion.

Should it be 15-20 years in prison for a woman who aborts?

 

[wednesday]

Im sorry..mabye im being naive..what are trying to prove or accomplish?

 

[Makedde]

Why on earth would you define that as a problem?? :unsure:

Potential complications, not to mention major surgery. If you were to perform the operation on the woman without her consent, it would be assault. In order to get away it, laws would have to be changed, and that would never happen.

 

[Makedde]

So a baby who is delivered yet can't live on its own is still a fetus?? :willy_nilly:

The medical term for a child in utero is 'fetus'. It has nothing to do with the fact it can't live on it's own (well, not so much) it's just basically a medical description.

 

[Makedde]

I'm just curious, those of you that think it should be illegal because it's murder: what should happen to the women who do have abortions?

Is it first degree murder? I think most abortions are pre-meditated.

Abortion is not murder because it is legal. Therefore it cannot be murder - or else the death penalty would be murder.

Is it pre meditated? Every woman chooses to have an abortion, some chose it willingly, others reluctantly. But it is always a choice. Pre meditation means plan to have an abortion, and many women don't intent on having that abortion until they find that there is something wrong, or they are becoming ill from the pregnancy.

If it was illegal, it would creat so many problems you'd never fix them. Best you can do is keep it legal and educate women and give them free health check ups and perhaps free contraception, and making it cheaper for all to afford would also help.

Sorry if I'm hogging this topic. I debate this issue all day, everyday. No joke, so I can't stay away!:eek

 

[Accountable]

Ah, but there is one problem with that. While it sounds good in theory, one would need to have the woman's permission to perform the necessary surgery to remove her fetus.:thumbup

Why on earth would you define that as a problem?? :unsure:

Potential complications, not to mention major surgery. If you were to perform the operation on the woman without her consent, it would be assault. In order to get away it, laws would have to be changed, and that would never happen.

You stated that needing to have the woman's permission is a problem. That's the that that I was talking about.
Too many thats. My head hurts.

 

[Makedde]

You stated that needing to have the woman's permission is a problem. That's the that that I was talking about.
Too many thats. My head hurts.

It would be a problem if she didn't consent.

 

[Accountable]

The medical term for a child in utero is 'fetus'. It has nothing to do with the fact it can't live on it's own (well, not so much) it's just basically a medical description.

Yes I know. We're laying out a hypothetical.

 

[Obdurate]

If you eat a baby, then your soul becomes young. So I'm strictly pro-abortion, fetus or baby, it doesn't matter, gimme my fountain of youth.