A Peaceful Religion?

[Zorak]

And please don't say Britons are throwing away their culture for a middle easten belief system. We're not.
The laws and morals of Britain are not Islamic. They are secular, and as such afford the right to any person to practice whatever religion they believe in.

 

[mazHur]

They're throwing away their own culture. That is bad.

No, they are not, you only think so because their culture looks so odd and unique to you even though they are practising their culture within the limits of YOUR laws!!

I can't tell you which sect of Christianity is correct because they're all wrong. Just like all of the sects of Islam.

As for me I don't have to follow ANY sect to find out its truth, although I am witness to many. As a Muslim I
try my best to read and interpret the Quranic tenets with open and clear mind and base my judgment on
common sense and rational approach. I do not follow any sect...........and hate
most rituals performed by some sects of Muslims but at the same I find some goodness in many sects
which i appreciate and condemn the rest.

I know what the term means. They weren't forced or anything. This thing was completely voluntary and at the student's leisure. The very definition of undue influence has no meaning here. You're merely trying to sweep away the troubling answers they gave.

No, I am not. As a Muslim I know better than those kids back in UK and from which families they come.

and this is bad


Britons throwing away their heritage for a middle eastern belief system.

Why bad?? Just because you think so? Are Britons fools to switch over to Islam without understanding its pros and cons and unless they are convinced about Islam's message of Peace? Britons are all educated and highly intellectual people, they don't make choices just for fun!

lmao are you joking most serious historians don't believe that the so called "dark ages" were really "dark" given the new evidence found. No serious historian has believed that for the past 30-35 years.

Nothing unauthentic about it. These are things that actually happened.

Please be good enough to read some authentic historian such as Gibbons and you will find out!

You can claim all of the "scientific advances" you want. Sort of doesn't change the fact that the middle east is a bucket of shit now.

I am not making any claim of ''scientific advances', they are already public and undeniably known to the masses in Europe and all over the world! The fact is Muslims gave West the incentive to work on science and technology in later centuries while plunging themselves into deep slumber!!
Yes, Muslims are backward in modern sciences because of that 'slumber' and lack of unity and integral 'leadership!!

uh


no


Complicated mathematics and theorems existed before the number zero. The greatest ancient European civilizations didn't need it, apparently.

Check out this and other things with some good scholar or good books and you will be able to change your
mind!! Ever read Algebra or Alchemy? Who 'invented ' them??

 

[mazHur]

The laws and morals of Britain are not Islamic. They are secular, and as such afford the right to any person to practice whatever religion they believe in.

,Just a note to appreciate the British Justice System which, in my opinion, is the Best in the World!!

 

[All Else Failed]

They're throwing away their own culture. That is bad.



I can't tell you which sect of Christianity is correct because they're all wrong. Just like all of the sects of Islam.







I know what the term means. They weren't forced or anything. This thing was completely voluntary and at the student's leisure. The very definition of undue influence has no meaning here. You're merely trying to sweep away the troubling answers they gave.





and this is bad


Britons throwing away their heritage for a middle eastern belief system.






wtf are you talking about.

The dark ages happened after the fall of the western roman empire, this isn't debatable.

The number zero was a huge step forward in mathematics and culture this isn't debatable.

I am saying the "dark ages" is a misnomer. There was no real "dark age"at all.

No see it is debatable since the number zero isn't some end all step forward. Complicated mathematics would have stiff been around.

And please don't say Britons are throwing away their culture for a middle easten belief system. We're not.
The laws and morals of Britain are not Islamic. They are secular, and as such afford the right to any person to practice whatever religion they believe in.

I'm talking about the ones that converted. Read my posts.

No, they are not, you only think so because their culture looks so odd and unique to you even though they are practising their culture within the limits of YOUR laws!!





As for me I don't have to follow ANY sect to find out its truth, although I am witness to many. As a Muslim I
try my best to read and interpret the Quranic tenets with open and clear mind and base my judgment on
common sense and rational approach. I do not follow any sect...........and hate
most rituals performed by some sects of Muslims but at the same I find some goodness in many sects
which i appreciate and condemn the rest.







No, I am not. As a Muslim I know better than those kids back in UK and from which families they come.







Why bad?? Just because you think so? Are Britons fools to switch over to Islam without understanding its pros and cons and unless they are convinced about Islam's message of Peace? Britons are all educated and highly intellectual people, they don't make choices just for fun!

Please be good enough to read some authentic historian such as Gibbons and you will find out!




I am not making any claim of ''scientific advances', they are already public and undeniably known to the masses in Europe and all over the world! The fact is Muslims gave West the incentive to work on science and technology in later centuries while plunging themselves into deep slumber!!
Yes, Muslims are backward in modern sciences because of that 'slumber' and lack of unity and integral 'leadership!!





Check out this and other things with some good scholar or good books and you will be able to change your
mind!! Ever read Algebra or Alchemy? Who 'invented ' them??

No


but really


no serious historian has believed in the concept of "the dark ages" for a while now. Like I have said, new evidence discovered within the pas 30 or so years shows an active European community that was productive, inventive and revolutionary in some ways. Trust me, I've read most of the material. It involves my masters degree.



alchemy existed within Europe before a Muslim set foot on its soil.

 

[mazHur]

''Ciphertexts produced by a classical cipher (and some modern ciphers) always reveal statistical information about the plaintext, which can often be used to break them. After the discovery of frequency analysis perhaps by the Arab mathematician and polymath, Al-Kindi (also known as Alkindus), in the 9th century, nearly all such ciphers became more or less readily breakable by any informed attacker. Such classical ciphers still enjoy popularity today, though mostly as puzzles (see cryptogram). Al-Kindi wrote a book on cryptography entitled Risalah fi Istikhraj al-Mu'amma (Manuscript for the Deciphering Cryptographic Messages), in which described the first cryptanalysis techniques, including some for polyalphabetic ciphers.[8][9]''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptology

 

[All Else Failed]

thats cool now we can make puzzles

 

[mazHur]

I am saying the "dark ages" is a misnomer. There was no real "dark age"at all.

Revisionists are trying to appease the West by changing historical facts...Now they don't seem to be happy with Gibbon's Dark Ages!!

No, they are not, you only think so because their culture looks so odd and unique to you even though they are practising their culture within the limits of YOUR laws!!





As for me I don't have to follow ANY sect to find out its truth, although I am witness to many. As a Muslim I
try my best to read and interpret the Quranic tenets with open and clear mind and base my judgment on
common sense and rational approach. I do not follow any sect...........and hate
most rituals performed by some sects of Muslims but at the same I find some goodness in many sects
which i appreciate and condemn the rest.







No, I am not. As a Muslim I know better than those kids back in UK and from which families they come.







Why bad?? Just because you think so? Are Britons fools to switch over to Islam without understanding its pros and cons and unless they are convinced about Islam's message of Peace? Britons are all educated and highly intellectual people, they don't make choices just for fun!

no serious historian has believed in the concept of "the dark ages" for a while now. Like I have said, new evidence discovered within the pas 30 or so years shows an active European community that was productive, inventive and revolutionary in some ways. Trust me, I've read most of the material. It involves my masters degree.

again you are referring to the ''Revisionists''...why should I believe them after more than half a century!

alchemy existed within Europe before a Muslim set foot on its soil.

I don't know which 'history' you've read in your masters!!!

''Alchemy starts becoming much clearer in the 8th century with the works of the Islamic alchemist, Jābir ibn Hayyān (known as "Geber" in Europe), who introduced a methodical and experimental approach to scientific research based in the laboratory, in contrast to the ancient Greek and Egyptian alchemists whose works were mainly allegorical.[23]''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy#History

 

[All Else Failed]

Revisionists are trying to appease the West by changing historical facts...Now they don't seem to be happy with Gibbon's Dark Ages!!

No, they are not, you only think so because their culture looks so odd and unique to you even though they are practising their culture within the limits of YOUR laws!!





As for me I don't have to follow ANY sect to find out its truth, although I am witness to many. As a Muslim I
try my best to read and interpret the Quranic tenets with open and clear mind and base my judgment on
common sense and rational approach. I do not follow any sect...........and hate
most rituals performed by some sects of Muslims but at the same I find some goodness in many sects
which i appreciate and condemn the rest.







No, I am not. As a Muslim I know better than those kids back in UK and from which families they come.







Why bad?? Just because you think so? Are Britons fools to switch over to Islam without understanding its pros and cons and unless they are convinced about Islam's message of Peace? Britons are all educated and highly intellectual people, they don't make choices just for fun!









again you are referring to the ''Revisionists''...why should I believe them after more than half a century!




I don't know which 'history' you've read in your masters!!!

''Alchemy starts becoming much clearer in the 8th century with the works of the Islamic alchemist, Jābir ibn Hayyān (known as "Geber" in Europe), who introduced a methodical and experimental approach to scientific research based in the laboratory, in contrast to the ancient Greek and Egyptian alchemists whose works were mainly allegorical.[23]''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy#History

You're seriously referring to Edward Gibbons? He was not aware of the new evidence that historians have discovered about the so called "dark ages" since he wrote what he did in the 1700s.

 

[mazHur]

thats cool now we can make puzzles

I bet you will be shocked if you read History of England or Europe until 14th or 16th Century, at the moment I
do not remember the name of the book or its British author, it was unbelievable for me to believe how
''uncivilized'' England is portrayed in those days!!
Also, check out for the hhistory of Cambridge and Oxford, you will surely find it interesting and a dive into the cultural inadequacy of the time!

 

[mazHur]

Revisionists are trying to appease the West by changing historical facts...Now they don't seem to be happy with Gibbon's Dark Ages!!

You're seriously referring to Edward Gibbons? He was not aware of the new evidence that historians have discovered about the so called "dark ages" since he wrote what he did in the 1700s.

'Revisionists' allude to those who are trying to differ from Gibbon and who are trying to make history a tell-tale
story!

 

[All Else Failed]

I bet you will be shocked if you read History of England or Europe until 14th or 16th Century, at the moment I
do not remember the name of the book or its British author, it was unbelievable for me to believe how
''uncivilized'' England is portrayed in those days!!
Also, check out for the hhistory of Cambridge and Oxford, you will surely find it interesting and a dive into the cultural inadequacy of the time!

I have. I wrote my capstone on it.


You're aware of this little part in European history, correct:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance

Revisionists are trying to appease the West by changing historical facts...Now they don't seem to be happy with Gibbon's Dark Ages!!

'Revisionists' allude to those who are trying to differ from Gibbon and who are trying to make history a tell-tale
story!

Except they're actual historians and Gibbons was not privy to new evidence. You're being purposefully dismissive.


You act like Europe was doomed without Islam's contributions when in fact Europe became great because of her own people.

 

[mazHur]

I have. I wrote my capstone on it.

You're aware of this little part in European history, correct:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance

Yeah, but it occurred from 14th to 16 the century AD, after the fall and decline of Muslims!!

Revisionists are trying to appease the West by changing historical facts...Now they don't seem to be happy with Gibbon's Dark Ages!!



Except they're actual historians and Gibbons was not privy to new evidence. You're being purposefully dismissive.

You act like Europe was doomed without Islam's contributions when in fact Europe became great because of her own people.

No, but Europe rested its scientific and intellectual pursuit based on previous Muslim works!

''As a cultural movement, it encompassed a resurgence of learning based on classical sources, the development of linear perspective in painting, and gradual but widespread educational reform. Traditionally, this intellectual transformation has resulted in the Renaissance being viewed as a bridge between the Middle Ages and the Modern era.'' Wiki

 

[All Else Failed]

I have. I wrote my capstone on it.



Yeah, but it occurred from 14th to 16 the century AD, after the fall and decline of Muslims!!

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and it would have happened without them

 

[mazHur]

I have. I wrote my capstone on it.



Yeah, but it occurred from 14th to 16 the century AD, after the fall and decline of Muslims!!

/QUOTE]


and it would have happened without them

No, the West has openly recognized their contribution to learning!!

 

[mazHur]

you may find these url's of use...

http://spiritofcordoba.org/articles/17-islam-and-science.html


http://spiritofcordoba.org/web-links/6-sites-about-islam.html

 

[mazHur]

\\There are many other great men whose contributions are forgotten in the west, such as Iraqi genius Ibn al-Haytham, the greatest physicist in the 2,000-year span between Archimedes and Newton, al-Bīrūni, the Persian polymath regarded as the Da Vinci of Islam, al-Tūsi, a mathematician and astronomer who would influence Copernicus, and Ibn Khaldūn, the acknowledged father of social science and economic theory. All these men are no less worthy of mention in the history of science than Aristotle, Galileo, Newton or Einstein.\\

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/sep/26/baghdad-centre-of-scientific-world