Muslims led the world in science until 10th/12the century....their rule in Spain is known as the Golden Period of Muslim rule!
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Muslims led the world in science until 10th/12the century....their rule in Spain is known as the Golden Period of Muslim rule!
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Tariq bin Ziyad was a moor after whom Giberalter is named....he was the one who conquered Spain.
sorry I don't have the time and energy to go through the link you've posted. But as a Muslim I know who a Muslim is and what he is supposed to do. The results of the survey are fallacious as are the questions and answers. The point is what do you mean by ''to kill in the name of religion''??? What is secularism??
What do you mean by 'promotion of their religion''?? What are laws? Why isn't okay for Muslims to follow their Laws in their own countries??
As regards Apostates there is little room for them to live in a Muslim-majority country because
he cannot sustain living there after hurting the sentiments of other fellows. An apostate is a traitor to his irrevocable oath when he accepted Islam....thus it is natural for him to repent or
flee for his life or face death not only at the hands of his countries Law but also perhaps at the hands of aggrieved and angry Muslims around. Luckily I have not seen any Muslim apostate yet
However, there have been incidences of naming a Muslim as apostate for his differing views on the interpretation of Islamic tenets and facing the music thereof. If I were to speak bullshit like Christians speak about Christianity I would be dead within no time!! The concept of freedom of Speech and freedom itself is very different than what the western mind is attuned to. If you were in Afghanistan or Saudia or Pakistan even you wouldn't want to speak against Islam as you do without first having good knowledge about it. Furthermore, Muslims do not compel anyone to embrace their religion....however, like Christians missionaries, some do invite.... These are my personal views but I hardly think I am wrong!
All Else Failed
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http://listverse.com/2008/06/09/top-10-reasons-the-dark-ages-were-not-dark/
I'll fully admit that the Muslims did contribute mathematics, but really, most of the major revolutions in the so called "dark ages" were purely European.
I also highly recommend this book. I've read it and it lays the argument out in greater detail:
http://www.amazon.com/Inheritance-Rome-Illuminating-Dark-400-1000/dp/0143117424/ref=pd_sim_b_1
How are the results fallacious when it was done by a non-partisan research group and actual Muslim students gave answers? You simply don't like the answers they gave.
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No, every Muslim living in various countries has its own culture but his 'religious culture', if that's the correct term
to state, is almost the SAME universally! A Muslim in, say, Afghanistan or Pakistan is almost the SAME as in the US, Africa, China, Japan, Alaska or Russia, as far as their religious culture is concerned but they will differ in their
daily/or regional culture! So, this feature goes in making them brethren UNIVERSALLY! Since there are many sects among Muslims some deviations in thought about Quranic laws could be seen every where. For example, most of the Muslims do not believe in the Saudi type of Islam!
All Else Failed
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Thats....what...i've been saying...
I'm referring to a lot of western Muslims. The ones I know are pretty much the same as the other poster described. They put forth a western lifestyle and ideas before the teaching of the koran.
It is also funny that there is different "types" of Islam. I'm not sure Muhammad or Allah would be very pleased at the fact that there different "types". Hmmmm which one is correct? You better choose wisely.
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I don't believe in theory, moreso in a poll conducted in UK under undue influence. Hold this post in any Muslim country and I would hasten to believe it!!
Secondly, I am living among 200Million Muslims around...and that's practical enough for any purpose to
state my practical and direct observations and experience about Muslims and Muslim thought!!
All Else Failed
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Theory? This is objective evidence based off of ACTUAL answers given by the Muslim students.I don't believe in theory, moreso in a poll conducted in UK under undue influence. Hold this post in any Muslim country and I would hasten to believe it!!
Secondly, I am living among 200Million Muslims around...and that's practical enough for any purpose to
state my practical and direct observations and experience about Muslims and Muslim thought!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ord-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html
The Islamification of Britain: record numbers embrace Muslim faith
The number of Britons converting to Islam has doubled in 10 years. Why? Jerome Taylor and Sarah Morrison investigate
The Independent
Tuesday, 4 January 2011
Hana Tajima, 23, fashion designer: "I became friends with a few Muslims in college, and was slightly affronted and curious at their lack of wanting to go out to clubs or socialise."
The number of Britons choosing to become Muslims has nearly doubled in the past decade, according to one of the most comprehensive attempts to estimate how many people have embraced Islam.
Following the global spread of violent Islamism, British Muslims have faced more scrutiny, criticism and analysis than any other religious community. Yet, despite the often negative portrayal of Islam, thousands of Britons are adopting the religion every year.
Estimating the number of converts living in Britain has always been difficult because census data does not differentiate between whether a religious person has adopted a new faith or was born into it. Previous estimates have placed the number of Muslim converts in the UK at between 14,000 and 25,000.
But a new study by the inter-faith think-tank Faith Matters suggests the real figure could be as high as 100,000, with as many as 5,000 new conversions nationwide each year.
By using data from the Scottish 2001 census – the only survey to ask respondents what their religion was at birth as well as at the time of the survey – researchers broke down what proportion of Muslim converts there were by ethnicity and then extrapolated the figures for Britain as a whole.
In all they estimated that there were 60,699 converts living in Britain in 2001. With no new census planned until next year, researchers polled mosques in London to try to calculate how many conversions take place a year. The results gave a figure of 1,400 conversions in the capital in the past 12 months which, when extrapolated nationwide, would mean approximately 5,200 people adopting Islam every year. The figures are comparable with studies in Germany and France which found that there were around 4,000 conversions a year.
Fiyaz Mughal, director of Faith Matters, admitted that coming up with a reliable estimate of the number of converts to Islam was notoriously difficult. "This report is the best intellectual 'guestimate' using census numbers, local authority data and polling from mosques," he said. "Either way few people doubt that the number adopting Islam in the UK has risen dramatically in the past 10 years."
Asked why people were converting in such large numbers he replied: "I think there is definitely a relationship between conversions being on the increase and the prominence of Islam in the public domain. People are interested in finding out what Islam is all about and when they do that they go in different directions. Most shrug their shoulders and return to their lives but some will inevitably end up liking what they discover and will convert."
here is the complete story!...............
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ord-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...race-muslim-faith-2175178.html?action=Gallery
The Islamification of Britain: record numbers embrace Muslim faith
The number of Britons converting to Islam has doubled in 10 years. Why? Jerome Taylor and Sarah Morrison investigate
The Independent
Tuesday, 4 January 2011
Hana Tajima, 23, fashion designer: "I became friends with a few Muslims in college, and was slightly affronted and curious at their lack of wanting to go out to clubs or socialise."
The number of Britons choosing to become Muslims has nearly doubled in the past decade, according to one of the most comprehensive attempts to estimate how many people have embraced Islam.
Following the global spread of violent Islamism, British Muslims have faced more scrutiny, criticism and analysis than any other religious community. Yet, despite the often negative portrayal of Islam, thousands of Britons are adopting the religion every year.
Estimating the number of converts living in Britain has always been difficult because census data does not differentiate between whether a religious person has adopted a new faith or was born into it. Previous estimates have placed the number of Muslim converts in the UK at between 14,000 and 25,000.
But a new study by the inter-faith think-tank Faith Matters suggests the real figure could be as high as 100,000, with as many as 5,000 new conversions nationwide each year.
By using data from the Scottish 2001 census – the only survey to ask respondents what their religion was at birth as well as at the time of the survey – researchers broke down what proportion of Muslim converts there were by ethnicity and then extrapolated the figures for Britain as a whole.
In all they estimated that there were 60,699 converts living in Britain in 2001. With no new census planned until next year, researchers polled mosques in London to try to calculate how many conversions take place a year. The results gave a figure of 1,400 conversions in the capital in the past 12 months which, when extrapolated nationwide, would mean approximately 5,200 people adopting Islam every year. The figures are comparable with studies in Germany and France which found that there were around 4,000 conversions a year.
Fiyaz Mughal, director of Faith Matters, admitted that coming up with a reliable estimate of the number of converts to Islam was notoriously difficult. "This report is the best intellectual 'guestimate' using census numbers, local authority data and polling from mosques," he said. "Either way few people doubt that the number adopting Islam in the UK has risen dramatically in the past 10 years."
Asked why people were converting in such large numbers he replied: "I think there is definitely a relationship between conversions being on the increase and the prominence of Islam in the public domain. People are interested in finding out what Islam is all about and when they do that they go in different directions. Most shrug their shoulders and return to their lives but some will inevitably end up liking what they discover and will convert."
here is the complete story!...............
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ord-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...race-muslim-faith-2175178.html?action=Gallery
According to most historians, the modern scientific method was first developed by Islamic scientists, pioneered by Ibn Al-Haytham, known to the west as “Alhazen”.[4] Robert Briffault, in The Making of Humanity, asserts that the very existence of science, as it is understood in the modern sense, is rooted in the scientific thought and knowledge that emerged in Islamic civilizations during this time.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_science
Islamic interactions
The Byzantine Empire initially provided the medieval Islamic world with Ancient Greek texts on astronomy and mathematics for translation into Arabic as the Empire was the leading center of scientific scholarship in the region in the early Middle Ages. Later as the Muslim world became the center of scientific knowledge, Byzantine scientists such as Gregory Choniades translated Arabic texts on Islamic astronomy, mathematics and science into Medieval Greek, including the works of Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi, Ibn Yunus, al-Khazini (a Muslim scientist of Byzantine Greek descent),[22] Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī[23] and Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī among others. There were also some Byzantine scientists who used Arabic transliterations to describe certain scientific concepts instead of the equivalent Ancient Greek terms (such as the use of the Arabic talei instead of the Ancient Greek hososcopus). Byzantine science thus played an important role in not only transmitting ancient Greek knowledge to Western Europe and the Islamic world, but in also transmitting Islamic knowledge to Western Europe, such as the transmission of the Tusi-couple, which later appeared in the work of Nicolaus Copernicus.[21] Byzantine scientists also became acquainted with Sassanid and Indian astronomy through citations in some Arabic works.[22]
more...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_Middle_Ages
The Byzantine Empire initially provided the medieval Islamic world with Ancient Greek texts on astronomy and mathematics for translation into Arabic as the Empire was the leading center of scientific scholarship in the region in the early Middle Ages. Later as the Muslim world became the center of scientific knowledge, Byzantine scientists such as Gregory Choniades translated Arabic texts on Islamic astronomy, mathematics and science into Medieval Greek, including the works of Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi, Ibn Yunus, al-Khazini (a Muslim scientist of Byzantine Greek descent),[22] Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī[23] and Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī among others. There were also some Byzantine scientists who used Arabic transliterations to describe certain scientific concepts instead of the equivalent Ancient Greek terms (such as the use of the Arabic talei instead of the Ancient Greek hososcopus). Byzantine science thus played an important role in not only transmitting ancient Greek knowledge to Western Europe and the Islamic world, but in also transmitting Islamic knowledge to Western Europe, such as the transmission of the Tusi-couple, which later appeared in the work of Nicolaus Copernicus.[21] Byzantine scientists also became acquainted with Sassanid and Indian astronomy through citations in some Arabic works.[22]
more...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_Middle_Ages
This is so true.
The islamic world invented the number zero for example.
A number that we all take for granted, but for 6000 years human civilization without it lived impeded.
so christianity has moved forward and islam has gone backwards?
I haven't said this much.
But that was a very accurate and incitive post.
But in the end, it was ignorance that toppled the Indian wing of the British empire. The coating of musket cartridges in pig\cow fat for one.
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All Else Failed
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They're throwing away their own culture. That is bad.
I can't tell you which sect of Christianity is correct because they're all wrong. Just like all of the sects of Islam.
I know what the term means. They weren't forced or anything. This thing was completely voluntary and at the student's leisure. The very definition of undue influence has no meaning here. You're merely trying to sweep away the troubling answers they gave.
and this is badhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ord-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html
The Islamification of Britain: record numbers embrace Muslim faith
The number of Britons converting to Islam has doubled in 10 years. Why? Jerome Taylor and Sarah Morrison investigate
The Independent
Tuesday, 4 January 2011
Hana Tajima, 23, fashion designer: "I became friends with a few Muslims in college, and was slightly affronted and curious at their lack of wanting to go out to clubs or socialise."
The number of Britons choosing to become Muslims has nearly doubled in the past decade, according to one of the most comprehensive attempts to estimate how many people have embraced Islam.
Following the global spread of violent Islamism, British Muslims have faced more scrutiny, criticism and analysis than any other religious community. Yet, despite the often negative portrayal of Islam, thousands of Britons are adopting the religion every year.
Estimating the number of converts living in Britain has always been difficult because census data does not differentiate between whether a religious person has adopted a new faith or was born into it. Previous estimates have placed the number of Muslim converts in the UK at between 14,000 and 25,000.
But a new study by the inter-faith think-tank Faith Matters suggests the real figure could be as high as 100,000, with as many as 5,000 new conversions nationwide each year.
By using data from the Scottish 2001 census – the only survey to ask respondents what their religion was at birth as well as at the time of the survey – researchers broke down what proportion of Muslim converts there were by ethnicity and then extrapolated the figures for Britain as a whole.
In all they estimated that there were 60,699 converts living in Britain in 2001. With no new census planned until next year, researchers polled mosques in London to try to calculate how many conversions take place a year. The results gave a figure of 1,400 conversions in the capital in the past 12 months which, when extrapolated nationwide, would mean approximately 5,200 people adopting Islam every year. The figures are comparable with studies in Germany and France which found that there were around 4,000 conversions a year.
Fiyaz Mughal, director of Faith Matters, admitted that coming up with a reliable estimate of the number of converts to Islam was notoriously difficult. "This report is the best intellectual 'guestimate' using census numbers, local authority data and polling from mosques," he said. "Either way few people doubt that the number adopting Islam in the UK has risen dramatically in the past 10 years."
Asked why people were converting in such large numbers he replied: "I think there is definitely a relationship between conversions being on the increase and the prominence of Islam in the public domain. People are interested in finding out what Islam is all about and when they do that they go in different directions. Most shrug their shoulders and return to their lives but some will inevitably end up liking what they discover and will convert."
here is the complete story!...............
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ord-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html
Britons throwing away their heritage for a middle eastern belief system.
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