14-year-old girl commits suicide over Myspace drama

[Dodge_Sniper]

Erm, because you posted this thread really!!!

This thread didn't break any rules. It's not my fault if you don't agree with my views on this subject.

you're a child that's almost beyond help on this matter, but I'll try. One thing I can tell you just like I told Breeze on the telly, I'm not going to continuously and pointlessly debate a kid. I'll either reach you at some point and you'll be grown up enough to see what I'm talking about, or you won't. More later, the much much less after that.

Oh yes, I'm a child. I'm 17 in a few months, I'm far from a child. I am grown up, thank you. I guess I'll apologize for having an opinion on the matter that isn't the same as everyone else's. You're not going to reach me, because if you didn't know, it's not illegal in the US to have an opinion. Or was I gone when our country took the 1st amendment away?

you're a child that's almost beyond help on this matter, but I'll try. One thing I can tell you just like I told Breeze on the telly, I'm not going to continuously and pointlessly debate a kid. I'll either reach you at some point and you'll be grown up enough to see what I'm talking about, or you won't. I'm not being patronizing, either. It's just you have a finite capacity emotionally to comprehend what you're saying and what I'm saying. And that's age-related because it's life-related. I'm over twice your age, so that doesn't mean I have twice the experience that you do (maybe more, maybe less - probably more), it just means I've had more than twice the amount of time to acquire it. understand that I truly believe that age is meaningless - it's just a number attached to the day you were born - but in some cases a few rings on the tree helps a person understand something better. I think that's the case here.

More later, then much much less after that.

Age may help in some cases to understand something more, but it's been proven many times that it's not always important. There have been child geniuses that go to college around the age of 14. At the same time, Albert Einstein failed high school, but we recognize him as the smartest man in history still.

Isn't this what you said you did earlier on in this thread? Made up a fake profile for a celebrity, thus imitating someone? What makes you think you can critisise the girl from breaking myspace rules when you do too?:confused

Actually, no. I set up a fan page. I did not pretend to be the celebrity, I set up a page FOR the actress. True, people assumed I was this person, but I didn't carry through with that assumption.

 

[jds]

Wow this thread has caused a lot of shit... I know that I may have not been completely RIGHT on this article but I still have a very strong opinion about suicide... and I think the girl was VERY stupid and immature to commit suicide over a reason like that, but it still doesn't change my opinion on suicide so of course I'm not really going to agree that she was pushed into commiting suicide and that the other family should be blamed, because, they didn't know she was going to react so stupidly...

All in all, everyone was really immature about the whole thing (even the fake Josh people, yeah) but it still doesn't change that she WAS immature to commit suicide even though it is sad that she felt the need to do that but it just wasn't the right way to go... even though nothing about that situation is the "right" thing and everyone did something to blamed for but I just don't think they should be blamed for her commiting suicide because they didn't know she was going to react that way?

 

[Peter Parka]

Wow this thread has caused a lot of shit... I know that I may have not been completely RIGHT on this article but I still have a very strong opinion about suicide... and I think the girl was VERY stupid and immature to commit suicide over a reason like that, but it still doesn't change my opinion on suicide so of course I'm not really going to agree that she was pushed into commiting suicide and that the other family should be blamed, because, they didn't know she was going to react so stupidly...

All in all, everyone was really immature about the whole thing (even the fake Josh people, yeah) but it still doesn't change that she WAS immature to commit suicide even though it is sad that she felt the need to do that but it just wasn't the right way to go... even though nothing about that situation is the "right" thing and everyone did something to blamed for but I just don't think they should be blamed for her commiting suicide because they didn't know she was going to react that way?

You seem very immature to me to be blurting on about things like suicide and depression in this way when you quite obviously don't know the first thing what you're talking about.

 

[Ria]

You knew full well, the response that you were about to get when you posted this thread - you said it all, as you were admitting from the word go, that you had no idea how to debate this or any other situation like this, by saying how you didn't give a shit what ppl thought.

Nearly 17 only makes you nearly an adult in the number - you have to be a whole load more than a number to be adult.

You haven't even read my lengthy post or as you admitted a few posts ago, your own one when you posted that article about the girl.

You also said in response to such a tiny part of my lengthy post the following:

"My attitude? All I said was that I know I'm going to get some negative replies to my opinion on the subject. I didn't know it was wrong to have an opinion on something".

Out of all I wrote re that poor girl and ppl going through that etc etc, you only manage to pick out that!!!

You worded it a lot differently to that and btw - ditto, it is not wrong for us to give you our opinion, but you haven't acknowledged that either.

You have dug yourself one hell of a hole and this comment I have quoted of yours above, about just you rather than what the post is actually and more importantly about, only proves what a long way you have to go in life yet.

 

[skyblue]

ok.......i have to say.......if an adult had fucked around with my daughters head like that i'd teach them the error of they're ways

ok.....she shouldn't have had an account......but she did.....but that doesn't give anyone licence to mess with her head in this way...thats so wrong

 

[Ria]

I agree Sky - besides, she probably had that account as maybe she had been bullied from kids in her school or where she lives (which i suspect to be the case) and this was her only chance, in her mind, of being able to make any friends - this was probably a last resort for her......

I hope she can R.I.P. This is one of the saddest stories I have ever read.

 

[jds]

You seem very immature to me to be blurting on about things like suicide and depression in this way when you quite obviously don't know the first thing what you're talking about.

How? Because I have an opinion and think suicide is stupid? I've had friends that have commited/attempted suicide... It's just my opinion on it and I think the whole thing was stupid.

 

[dt3]

I hope she can R.I.P. This is one of the saddest stories I have ever read.

I think the general disdain for what she went through and what caused it is sadder than the actual story.

 

[Peter Parka]

How? Because I have an opinion and think suicide is stupid? I've had friends that have commited/attempted suicide... It's just my opinion on it and I think the whole thing was stupid.

Yes, that's why. If you had any understanding about depression you'd know that people don't just commit suicide because they are stupid.

 

[dt3]

How? Because I have an opinion and think suicide is stupid? I've had friends that have commited/attempted suicide... It's just my opinion on it and I think the whole thing was stupid.

Nobody is saying suicide is a good thing. But we're saying it's immature to judge her and put the blame on her. She was just a kid being manipulated by an ADULT. Regardless of what they knew about how it would turn out, it's wrong for adults to be messing with a child the way they were. Especially a mentally ill child. It's disgusting.

 

[jds]

Nobody is saying suicide is a good thing. But we're saying it's immature to judge her and put the blame on her. She was just a kid being manipulated by an ADULT. Regardless of what they knew about how it would turn out, it's wrong for adults to be messing with a child the way they were. Especially a mentally ill child. It's disgusting.

This is probably just going to get me in more shit but I really, really highly doubt either of the parents were actually monitoring the online activity. I'm not actually blaming the girl herself even though I know I'm coming across like that, I just think there were a lot more options and she took the stupid one.. that's just me... I just don't feel that much sympathy for someone who does that when my dad died and he actually WANTED to live, and my moms in the hospital, and she WANTS to live, and we have people dying in Iraq that actually want to live, and then we have 13 year olds commit suicide over MySpace drama...

I'm sorry.

 

[Ria]

How? Because I have an opinion and think suicide is stupid? I've had friends that have commited/attempted suicide... It's just my opinion on it and I think the whole thing was stupid.

No, Peter is correct.

You are showing you are not mature enough to realize these are real deep feelings of those people in those kind of extremely real situations.

I would like you to go back a few pages and read up on what the comments have been and how people get like this in the first place. i have explained at length, in my post one or two pages back how it happens. You wouldn't be saying they are stupid if you had read and understood this.

You are not understanding why she did it, you are thinking it was cos of a boy aren't you?

There was no boy, it was an adult who bullied her online, degraded her and made her feel like she should be gone, knowing exactly that she suffered with depression, which is caused by ppl with 'couldn't give a damn' attitudes and who think ppl like her are 'stupid'.

You really do need to read up and sink in what has been said properly - then your comments will maybe be helpful.

I feel you only slightly skimmed over the posts?

You haven't given an opinion - you have judged her...

 

[jds]

No, Peter is correct.

You are showing you are not mature enough to realize these are real deep feelings of those people in those kind of extremely real situations.

I would like you to go back a few pages and read up on what the comments have been and how people get like this in the first place. i have explained at length, in my post one or two pages back how it happens. You wouldn't be saying they are stupid if you had read and understood this.

You are not understanding why she did it, you are thinking it was cos of a boy aren't you?

There was no boy, it was an adult who bullied her online, degraded her and made her feel like she should be gone, knowing exactly that she suffered with depression, which is caused by ppl with 'couldn't give a damn' attitudes and who think ppl like her are 'stupid'.

You really do need to read up and sink in what has been said properly - then your comments will maybe be helpful.

I feel you only slightly skimmed over the posts?

You haven't given an opinion - you have judged her...

I have an opinion ON SUICIDE which makes me feel this way about it and yes; I've read the article now.

No I don't think it was because of a boy, I understand it was because of MySpace bullying, BUT, that happens everyday.. the majority that goes on in MySpace is online bullying. It happens all the time. I've kind of had a lot of it on here, but it's just my opinion on it... I'm just saying she immature to react that way when it happens ALL the time... and her parents, if they were actually monitoring her online activity, why didn't they pay more attention?

I mean sure, to be completely honest I DO FEEL BAD, but not because of what those people did... because honestly, I think the real reason she commited suicide probably didn't have a whole lot to do with the MySpace drama, but other stuff is probably going on that wasnt mentioned in the article.

 

[Ria]

I really cannot go on in this thread anymore - they choose not to listen and remain ignorant and un-educated.

I'm done posting here now.

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

You knew full well, the response that you were about to get when you posted this thread - you said it all, as you were admitting from the word go, that you had no idea how to debate this or any other situation like this, by saying how you didn't give a shit what ppl thought.

Nearly 17 only makes you nearly an adult in the number - you have to be a whole load more than a number to be adult.

You haven't even read my lengthy post or as you admitted a few posts ago, your own one when you posted that article about the girl.

You also said in response to such a tiny part of my lengthy post the following:

"My attitude? All I said was that I know I'm going to get some negative replies to my opinion on the subject. I didn't know it was wrong to have an opinion on something".

Out of all I wrote re that poor girl and ppl going through that etc etc, you only manage to pick out that!!!

You worded it a lot differently to that and btw - ditto, it is not wrong for us to give you our opinion, but you haven't acknowledged that either.

You have dug yourself one hell of a hole and this comment I have quoted of yours above, about just you rather than what the post is actually and more importantly about, only proves what a long way you have to go in life yet.

I don't have to reply to every single part of a post. I replied to the attitude comment because I didn't see your "lengthy post" on the other page, I saw the attitude one though.

I agree Sky - besides, she probably had that account as maybe she had been bullied from kids in her school or where she lives (which i suspect to be the case) and this was her only chance, in her mind, of being able to make any friends - this was probably a last resort for her......

I hope she can R.I.P. This is one of the saddest stories I have ever read.

Last resort or not, she still broke the rules.

I really cannot go on in this thread anymore - they choose not to listen and remain ignorant and un-educated.

I'm done posting here now.

I'm ignorant because of my views on the matter? :clap Great. Un-educated? That's complete bullshit. You call 11 years of school un-educated?

I am not saying that the adults and other kids that did this prank are not responsible. Of course they are. But as I've said before, I also believe the girl and her parents are partly responsible. It's like Jen said, there are plenty of people that really have the desire to live, and end up wrongfully dying, yet this girl willingly committed suicide over stupid Myspace drama. I had a grandmother die of cancer that didn't to die, and as Jen said, we have people fighting wars in Iraq that want to live, and this girl just kills herself over Myspace drama. Yes, I understand that she was on depression medication, but did anybody here read the message that "Josh" sent her?

Megan's parents said she received a message from him on October 15 of last year, essentially saying he didn't want to be her friend anymore, that he had heard she wasn't nice to her friends.

Megan's parents say she swooned when she received an affectionate note from "Josh"

This girl developed a crush on a boy that lived around 1,000 miles away, or 16 hours away from her, and then offed herself because he said she "wasn't nice to her friends". If I had a dollar for every time I was "not nice" to somebody, I'd have a pretty good wad of money. People are mean to each other sometimes, it's just how life is. He didn't say, "You're a bitch, I hate you". He said, "I heard you were cruel to your friends" and said he didn't want to be her friend anymore. Then she killed herself. If she felt the need to die over an online relationship in which the boy said she wasn't nice, I'd hate to see her in high school and later in life, having to pay bills.

The parents of the daughter even said she was bubbly and goofy, yet they also say she was depressed and that depression, coupled with the "Josh" issue, led her to kill herself. How can you be happy AND depressed? Something doesn't add up here.

 

[Peter Parka]

How can you be happy AND depressed? Something doesn't add up here.

If you'd had read peoples comments on here about depression you wouldn't need to have that explained to you again.

 

[Kat]

The parents of the daughter even said she was bubbly and goofy, yet they also say she was depressed and that depression, coupled with the "Josh" issue, led her to kill herself. How can you be happy AND depressed? Something doesn't add up here.

depending on which type of depression they labeled her with...if its manic depression (i believe thats the one but even with any type of depression) it is usual to have extreme high days where you are happy and giddy about anything and everything and then al of a sudden go to extreme low....where everything gets to you...hence why its called depression too

 

[jds]

How can you be happy AND depressed? Something doesn't add up here.

You're thirteen?

And I'm not trying to be ignorant and uneducated.
Seriously, everyone has mood swings at that age... hello hormones.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Dodge_Sniper;408076]My attitude? All I said was that I know I'm going to get some negative replies to my opinion on the subject. I didn't know it was wrong to have an opinion on something.

That's not all you said Dodge. In fact you said a lot more.

I love how you're assuming that because I didn't remember every single word of the entire article, I didn't read it.

You just don't get it do you? Your credibility is shot to hell all over your posts on the subject which you yourself posted the article. To begin with it became obvious you did not understand the major elements of the article and misrepresented what happened. Check your posts leading up to ......"oh I am reading now as I type" some couple of pages down the line. If you want to put up something to discuss intelligently, at least read the godamn article you are putting up for discussion first and understand it's contents. Is that so hard to comprehend? There are so many erroneous statements you made with reference to the article it is too many to mention it's funny.

And, to add insult to injury, you continue with this insensitive attitude that you have no compassion for the dead girl, that it was her fault. You're sure right you would have gotten flak. I wonder why you would have thought so.

A burning question. Something others may be thinking but afraid to ask: Tell me this, is it that you have no compassion for the little girl and feel that it was ok for the scam artists to pull this "joke" (according to you) to mind play and abuse the unsuspecting victim (my words)...that this is something ok with you because you have done such yourself?....And somehow having done so, you feel hardpressed to disapprove and point the blame mainly to the victim? Just wondering.

All in all, your irresponsible and insensitive utterances on the subject IMO displays a reckless and callous regard in thinking. Perhaps it would be well worth your while to do some introspection.

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

depending on which type of depression they labeled her with...if its manic depression (i believe thats the one but even with any type of depression) it is usual to have extreme high days where you are happy and giddy about anything and everything and then al of a sudden go to extreme low....where everything gets to you...hence why its called depression too

Thank you for that explanation.

You're thirteen?

And I'm not trying to be ignorant and uneducated.
Seriously, everyone has mood swings at that age... hello hormones.

...No, I'm not thirteen. But mood swings, hormones or not, don't usually go from being happy and loving life to being suicidal.

That's not all you said Dodge. In fact you said a lot more.



You just don't get it do you? Your credibility is shot to hell all over your posts on the subject which you yourself posted the article. To begin with it became obvious you did not understand the major elements of the article and misrepresented what happened. Check your posts leading up to ......"oh I am reading now as I type" some couple of pages down the line. If you want to put up something to discuss intelligently, at least read the godamn article you are putting up for discussion first and understand it's contents. Is that so hard to comprehend? There are so many erroneous statements you made with reference to the article it is too many to mention it's funny.

And, to add insult to injury, you continue with this insensitive attitude that you have no compassion for the dead girl, that it was her fault. You're sure right you would have gotten flak. I wonder why you would have thought so.

A burning question. Something others may be thinking but afraid to ask: Tell me this, is it that you have no compassion for the little girl and feel that it was ok for the scam artists to pull this "joke" (according to you) to mind play and abuse the unsuspecting victim (my words)...that this is something ok with you because you have done such yourself?....And somehow having done so, you feel hardpressed to disapprove and point the blame mainly to the victim? Just wondering.

All in all, your irresponsible and insensitive utterances on the subject IMO displays a reckless and callous regard in thinking. Perhaps it would be well worth your while to do some introspection.

Before I start, let me say that you are being very rude. At least I'm attempting to explain myself without being a jerk. It was a prank, as the other parties involved stated. They didn't expect this to happen. I've never done something like this myself, and I never said I didn't have compassion. Read my posts. I said, "Although I do think this is tragic and she didn't deserve to die, she was partly to blame". Do I have to bring up the Butterfly Effect again? I knew that I would catch flak, because I know that saying something like this about a dead 14-year-old child isn't goign to be exactly praised, but I have the right to have my own opinion, and I'll be damned if I'm going to just let you forcibly change my mind at the drop of a hat. For your information, I did "read the goddamn article".

I'll fix my mistake.

This is a horrible tragedy, and the parties involved in following through with this terrible crime should be put to death by means of tortuer.

Better?