1/3rd of Women in US Military Raped

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I posted the same topic in another forum and I like to see constructive comments like these:

And yes, it is horrible. But I seriously doubt that the figure is anywhere close to 1/3. The national rate is half that, or 1 in 6.

And rape is not taken lightly in the military. Last year there was a rape reported in my unit, and 15 guys were brought in and questioned. And everybody's DNA was checked (giving up DNA is part of your enlistment, no court order is needed because the sample is already on file). The guy that did it though turned out to be a civilian.

If any female in my unit now was raped, I guarantee that the scumbag will likely not make it to trial. He will be found in the desert, somehow after being run over repeatedly with a 5 ton truck.



I find this very very hard to believe.



I don't. The number for the general population is supposedly 1 in 4, and the military demographic is heavily skewed toward the age groups that are both the most likely offenders and the most likely victims-- under conditions that encourage a higher rate of violent offenses.

That the rate isn't higher should be taken as a testement to the effectiveness of military discipline. Not that there isn't room for improvement, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that it's worse.



this strikes me as one of those "DID YOU KNOW THAT 45% OF WOMEN ARE RAPED, BEATEN, MURDERED, assaulted, harrassed, or looked at funny in college?"



This sounds incredibly spurious to me.



This is probably the greatest exaggeration in history. There is no way it is true.

Oozlefinch is exactly right. It is a HUGE deal when it happens and the "guilty until proven innocent" version of military justice will make sure it's painful.
 
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kelvin070 said:
I posted the same topic in another forum and I like to see constructive comments like these:

And yes, it is horrible. But I seriously doubt that the figure is anywhere close to 1/3. The national rate is half that, or 1 in 6.

And rape is not taken lightly in the military. Last year there was a rape reported in my unit, and 15 guys were brought in and questioned. And everybody's DNA was checked (giving up DNA is part of your enlistment, no court order is needed because the sample is already on file). The guy that did it though turned out to be a civilian.

If any female in my unit now was raped, I guarantee that the scumbag will likely not make it to trial. He will be found in the desert, somehow after being run over repeatedly with a 5 ton truck.



I find this very very hard to believe.



I don't. The number for the general population is supposedly 1 in 4, and the military demographic is heavily skewed toward the age groups that are both the most likely offenders and the most likely victims-- under conditions that encourage a higher rate of violent offenses.

That the rate isn't higher should be taken as a testement to the effectiveness of military discipline. Not that there isn't room for improvement, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that it's worse.



this strikes me as one of those "DID YOU KNOW THAT 45% OF WOMEN ARE RAPED, BEATEN, MURDERED, assaulted, harrassed, or looked at funny in college?"



This sounds incredibly spurious to me.



This is probably the greatest exaggeration in history. There is no way it is true.

Oozlefinch is exactly right. It is a HUGE deal when it happens and the "guilty until proven innocent" version of military justice will make sure it's painful.
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You may not answer me, but it will be to you're loss..

Not a SINGLE woman should ever be raped..

Now onto this article...

If you believe this is to be an exaggeration, what benefit would it be to do so ?
 
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With some googling I found this:

Military Sexual Trauma

The experience of a sexual assault (ranging from unwanted sexual contact to rape) is also a widespread problem in the military (often referred to as military sexual trauma or MST). Studies indicate that around 23% to 33% of female veterans report experiencing a MST. In addition, there is some evidence that women who have experienced MST are at high risk for developing PTSD. One study found that approximately 42% of women who had experienced a MST also had PTSD as a result of the MST. Other studies have found that MST was more likely to lead to PTSD than other military or civilian traumatic events.
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So with this, 23-33% report MST. Which isn't always rape. MST can be caused by men verbally sexually harassing them, touching them, etc, but not necessarily raping them. Furthermore, less then half of these cases result in PTSD, which implies that they were not rape but simple sexual assault cases--which I am not saying aren't harmful, but obviously not nearly traumatic as rape.

So with these statistics it could be believes that 9 - 15% of women are raped, and that's still assuming that all women with both MST and PTSD were raped. Certainly not upwards of 15% and quite possibly less then 9%.
 
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Goat Whisperer said:
With some googling I found this:

So with this, 23-33% report MST. Which isn't always rape. MST can be caused by men verbally sexually harassing them, touching them, etc, but not necessarily raping them. Furthermore, less then half of these cases result in PTSD, which implies that they were not rape but simple sexual assault cases--which I am not saying aren't harmful, but obviously not nearly traumatic as rape.

So with these statistics it could be believes that 9 - 15% of women are raped, and that's still assuming that all women with both MST and PTSD were raped. Certainly not upwards of 15% and quite possibly less then 9%.
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Bri, here is a link I found very useful when i was looking into this last week..

Violence Against Military Women « U.S. Military Violence Against Women
 
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kelvin070 said:
I don't entertain people who were never involved in the debate proper and suddenly come up with a link.
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:24: YOU were never involved in the debate proper! Every time anyone has tried to get you involved it's Duck! Dodge! Parry! Spin!
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I actually went to Youtube and watched that Daffy Duck cartoon.

And you're incorrect ... you do entertain people not involved in the debate. :D You're very entertaining.
 
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Accountable said:
:24: YOU were never involved in the debate proper! Every time anyone has tried to get you involved it's Duck! Dodge! Parry! Spin!
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I actually went to Youtube and watched that Daffy Duck cartoon.

And you're incorrect ... you do entertain people not involved in the debate. :D You're very entertaining.
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Thanks for the compliment. Your comments on the topic proper will be appreciated. If you have any questions direct it to the floor. This is my thread I am the facilitator now.
 
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