Why I am voting for McCain/Palin tomorrow

[valley]

I have several reasons for voting for John McCain...I am not good with debating politics so if anyone has anything to say, dont expect a lot out of me in return. I just wanted to get my opinion out there because I feel so strongly about it!

One issue that I feel strongly about is the war in Iraq. I agree with McCains position on continuing there until victory is achieved. I think that backing out now would be the worst thing for our country and sends a message to terrorists that we are weak. I also am concerned about what will happen to the Iraqi people when we leave. What about the people there working with us to try to build a democracy? They will be slaughtered. Men, women, children over there have placed their trust in the United States to protect them and work with them to help put a government in place made for the people and by the people. We cannot abandon them...but thats what Obama wants to do. In calling this war a mistake, he disrespects every single soldier who is over there. Our solders were not drafted...every one of them volunteered to serve our country. They have suffered, bled and died serving this country and fighting terrorism. How demoralizing to have a presidential candidate tell them that it was a mistake. What better way to cause bitterness in a nation!

Another issue for me is McCain's stand on abortion. I personally believe that life starts at conception...the fetus's heart is beating at 16 days gestation...I believe the soul is place is people at conception and the womb is the protective place for that person to grow. I dont believe women have the right to end that life for the sake of convenience/birth control.

Another reason is the whole minimum wage thing...Obama wants to raise the minimum wage and thats very attractive to lower income people who are struggling financially...but at the same time, the cost of everything else is going up! So what good will it do? No one will get ahead this way. I dont understand much about economics..I lean towards social issues...but that one seems easy to understand. Obama's plan to raise the minimum wage is going to FAIL if he is put into office.

Also, McCain has a long record of going against his own party when his conscience tells him that something is wrong. When he first entered the race for the presidency, people said that there was no way he could get anywhere because he had burned too many bridges with the Republicans. Thats because he pushes for reform...he cares about this country and has proven it by NOT going with the flow of his own party and by speaking his conscience when he feels that he should. Thats the kind of man that I want in office...a man who will stand up for what is right...for a cause and for the good of the country. A man who has proven his love for our nation!

Do not let McCain's age stop you from voting for him...whatever happened to the saying "with age comes wisdom"? Instead, the man is treated like he is feeble-minded and ready for a nursing home. John McCain has served this country faithfully since he was 17 years old..thats over 50 years of dedicated service! That should prove how committed he is.

What has Obama done for this country so far? What experience does he have? What kind of track record can he point to to prove that his promises are anything more than just talk? McCain has proved himself to me so thats why I am voting for him. Obama may do ok...if he does win then I will be praying for him to make the right choices and I wont badmouth him. I believe that its the duty of every American citizen to support our president, no matter who they are. I may not like all that Obama stands for and I may not think he has what it takes to do the job but if he is elected then I will pray that he will learn to be a good president and to make the right choices as he steps into that position. The thing for me is that I believe McCain is far more equipped to step into that role so i'd much rather have him!

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[RedRyder]

Well stated.....
I personally am undecided as of yet.

 

[valley]

Well stated.....
I personally am undecided as of yet.

Thanks. I'd love to convince you to vote McCain...but in the end, just vote your conscience and not what anyone else wants you to do.

 

[RedRyder]

Thanks. I'd love to convince you to vote McCain...but in the end, just vote your conscience and not what anyone else wants you to do.

You're welcome...

When I am standing at the polling site and I look at the names on display there.... I will vote based on my own feelings. There has been so much 'stuff' going on..... per usual... but I'm looking at the issues and what I feel I need as one little ole American among many.... all the while sifting through the negativity (negativity is a nice way of saying shit -- sorry)!

I just hope in the end.... the right candidate will win and lead this country up up and away!

 

[wednesday]

Another issue for me is McCain's stand on abortion. I personally believe that life starts at conception...the fetus's heart is beating at 16 days gestation...I believe the soul is place is people at conception and the womb is the protective place for that person to grow. I dont believe women have the right to end that life for the sake of convenience/birth control.

I obviously have no option of voting considering im english lol...but this statement kinda attracted me.

I just wondered if your views would be the same if a woman had been raped?...and was forced to give birth to a child who she will never love?
I also just wanted to point out...that instead of prohibiting Abortion....Maybe prohibiting sex completely outside of marriage??...
After all, all this law will enforce will be desperate woman who will resolve to olden time standards of trying to abort there unborn fetus......

Dont get me wrong...i am against abortion for the reasons of lack of birth control...but you cant put a stigma on every situation in a persons life....If a woman was told her baby would die @ birth...would she not have an option to end that trauma?

Just a thought...

 

[RedRyder]

I obviously have no option of voting considering im english lol...but this statement kinda attracted me.

I just wondered if your views would be the same if a woman had been raped?...and was forced to give birth to a child who she will never love?
I also just wanted to point out...that instead of prohibiting Abortion....Maybe prohibiting sex completely outside of marriage??...
After all, all this law will enforce will be desperate woman who will resolve to olden time standards of trying to abort there unborn fetus......

Dont get me wrong...i am against abortion for the reasons of lack of birth control...but you cant put a stigma on every situation in a persons life....If a woman was told her baby would die @ birth...would she not have an option to end that trauma?

Just a thought...

Excellent.... :thumbup

 

[valley]

I just wondered if your views would be the same if a woman had been raped?...and was forced to give birth to a child who she will never love?

Hi Wedz. Yes, my view would be the same (this always gets me into trouble with people, sorry :ninja) I feel that if a woman is raped..that it is not the child's fault. I have read stories that woman who keep babies of rape fall in love with their little ones and rather than hating them, they view them as the ultimate victory over their attacker...a precious life borne of a terrible crime...a life to love and protect and mold into a living testimony if triumph in the face of trauma.

I think adoption would be the best option if the emotional scarring is too great for the woman to be able to keep her child. In most cases, i think that the love for a child of rape is the ultimate healing for a woman.

Thats just my personal opinion, though. I've never been in that situation so I obviously cannt speak from experience. But I have read stories of women who keep their babies and have been healed through their love for the child. Remember...its not a monster..it a baby. The father was the monster and there should be so superstition that the father is going to pass on his evil to a helpless baby.

also remember that the cases of pregnancy from rape are low like 1% or something like that so its pretty rare compared to the bigger issue of abortion in general. I have given it a lot of thought though.

....If a woman was told her baby would die @ birth...would she not have an option to end that trauma?

I think if the baby were going to die anyway that it would be better to give birth naturally and hold your child to say your goodbyes rather than having it taken out piece by piece as they do in vacuum type abortion procedures and in partial birth abortions in the gestational age is advanced to that point. I would rather have the pain of giving birth to a still born child that I could hold than the trauma of having it removed in pieces. I'm sorry that is so graphic in nature but thats how I feel.

Just a thought...

I totally understand. Its a very touchy topic and I dont judge any woman for choosing to have an abortion...especially in this day and age when woman are taught that the unborn are "just tissue" and nothing more. I believe its a life so thats why I will argue the point (to a certain extent). But a woman has the legal right so all I can do is just say how I feel and leave it at that.

Thanks for asking. *hugs*

 

[RedRyder]

Hi Wedz. Yes, my view would be the same (this always gets me into trouble with people, sorry :ninja) I feel that if a woman is raped..that it is not the child's fault. I have read stories that woman who keep babies of rape fall in love with their little ones and rather than hating them, they view them as the ultimate victory over their attacker...a precious life borne of a terrible crime...a life to love and protect and mold into a living testimony if triumph in the face of trauma.

I think adoption would be the best option if the emotional scarring is too great for the woman to be able to keep her child. In most cases, i think that the love for a child of rape is the ultimate healing for a woman.

Thats just my personal opinion, though. I've never been in that situation so I obviously cannt speak from experience. But I have read stories of women who keep their babies and have been healed through their love for the child. Remember...its not a monster..it a baby. The father was the monster and there should be so superstition that the father is going to pass on his evil to a helpless baby.

also remember that the cases of pregnancy from rape are low like 1% or something like that so its pretty rare compared to the bigger issue of abortion in general. I have given it a lot of thought though.



I think if the baby were going to die anyway that it would be better to give birth naturally and hold your child to say your goodbyes rather than having it taken out piece by piece as they do in vacuum type abortion procedures and in partial birth abortions in the gestational age is advanced to that point. I would rather have the pain of giving birth to a still born child that I could hold than the trauma of having it removed in pieces. I'm sorry that is so graphic in nature but thats how I feel.

I totally understand. Its a very touchy topic and I dont judge any woman for choosing to have an abortion...especially in this day and age when woman are taught that the unborn are "just tissue" and nothing more. I believe its a life so thats why I will argue the point (to a certain extent). But a woman has the legal right so all I can do is just say how I feel and leave it at that.

Thanks for asking. *hugs*

damn woman.... excellent view too.... :thumbup

 

[wednesday]

*hugs* to you too Valley..and of course i respect your views entirely...i think i just dont think i myself would be strong enough emotionally and mentally to be able to carry a baby who may be suffering inside me, full term..to watch it suffer and die outside of my womb.That must have to be the most distressing thing to put any baby through.

Anyway thanks for responding hun, and no you wont get into trouble for your opinions...i might though (lol)
*huggles again*

 

[valley]

damn woman.... excellent view too.... :thumbup

Thanks!

.i think i just dont think i myself would be strong enough emotionally and mentally to be able to carry a baby who may be suffering inside me, full term..to watch it suffer and die outside of my womb.That must have to be the most distressing thing to put any baby through.

I know..the thought of it makes me sick at heart too.

Anyway thanks for responding hun, and no you wont get into trouble for your opinions...i might though (lol)*huggles again*

Right back atcha, girlie!

We arent like these stinky old men...we can disagree without having to rip into each other for it!

 

[Tim]

Valley, can I ask one simple question?

I understand a persons strong personal conviction when it comes to the life of a fetus and I can understand a persons strong conviction when it comes to this war, but how can you support both?

If you are saying a life is so precious that even the product of rape should be carried to term, even if it will cause that woman to relive that terrible attack every time she feels that fetus move inside her, then how can you support a war where hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died? And what have they died for? Their deaths are not making us any safer...
Lets imagine for a moment that the terrorists that pose a threat to America are in Iraq and we are stopping them from doing us harm by being over there. How many American lives do you think we are saving? Just imagine if we were able to stop 9/11 from ever happening, that would have saved 3000 lives. So does that justify the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people to save 3000 Americans? What about 10,000 innocent lives? How many innocent lives should we sacrifice to make us feel more secure?
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, never did. There were never "terrorists" in Iraq, we went there to kill one man, that's it and he's dead.
Iraq was a mistake and to say so is a bad reflection on the people who sent our soldiers into harms way, not on the service of our men and women in uniform.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Valley, can I ask one simple question?

I understand a persons strong personal conviction when it comes to the life of a fetus and I can understand a persons strong conviction when it comes to this war, but how can you support both?

If you are saying a life is so precious that even the product of rape should be carried to term, even if it will cause that woman to relive that terrible attack every time she feels that fetus move inside her, then how can you support a war where hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died? And what have they died for? Their deaths are not making us any safer...
Lets imagine for a moment that the terrorists that pose a threat to America are in Iraq and we are stopping them from doing us harm by being over there. How many American lives do you think we are saving? Just imagine if we were able to stop 9/11 from ever happening, that would have saved 3000 lives. So does that justify the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people to save 3000 Americans? What about 10,000 innocent lives? How many innocent lives should we sacrifice to make us feel more secure?
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, never did. There were never "terrorists" in Iraq, we went there to kill one man, that's it and he's dead.
Iraq was a mistake and to say so is a bad reflection on the people who sent our soldiers into harms way, not on the service of our men and women in uniform.

There is a huge difference between a belief, and coming to fruition.

There has been a lot of bullshit spread about Palin, for exapmle her belief that Creationalism should be taught in public schools, an accusation that she has out and out denied in interviews.

Personally even I think her views on abortion are a bit extreme, however if you want to make comparisons about the value of life, then you have to compare the typical left view on life.

Typically what you find is folks who think abortion is not a bad thing, but the death penalty is, not all of course, but most I talk to support the freedom of choice (and by the way....abortion is still legal)

But think that the death penalty is wrong, so basically putting to death someone who was convicted by a jury of his/her peers is wrong, but killing an unborn child by the verdict of 1 is okay.....doesn't make any sense to me.

I think in the case of rape and incest yes by all means, there should be an option. But because you crossed your fingers instead of your legs.....No

If sex was talked about in the home, if teenagers were taught responsibility then it wouldn't be near as big of an issue.

My problem with it, is the government even getting involved, the power should be turned over to the states.

 

[valley]

I understand a persons strong personal conviction when it comes to the life of a fetus and I can understand a persons strong conviction when it comes to this war, but how can you support both?

I can support both because innocent lives are at risk. There is a difference from taking the life of an unborn child and a soldier willingly sacrificing his life in service to his country. If we did not fight, terrorist would rule over us. If we did not fight, slavery never would have been abolished...America would not exist. War is reality and there are some things worth fighting and dying for. Innocent victims in war are the reality of war...yes life is precious. The life lost in war is nothing to blow off as unimportant.

If you are saying a life is so precious that even the product of rape should be carried to term, even if it will cause that woman to relive that terrible attack every time she feels that fetus move inside her,

If you can provide any records of women reporting reliving her rape at the feel of her child moving inside of her then I will consider answering it...we are talking about helpless life inside of a woman. It goes both ways Tim..you are against the war but for abortion?In the same vein....how can this be? :confused

then how can you support a war where hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died? And what have they died for? Their deaths are not making us any safer...

I believe we are safer. How many terrorist attacks have there been since the start of the war? How many before? We have taken out many terrorists who will not be plotting attacks, thanks to this war.

Lets imagine for a moment that the terrorists that pose a threat to America are in Iraq and we are stopping them from doing us harm by being over there. How many American lives do you think we are saving? Just imagine if we were able to stop 9/11 from ever happening, that would have saved 3000 lives. So does that justify the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people to save 3000 Americans? What about 10,000 innocent lives? How many innocent lives should we sacrifice to make us feel more secure?

For me, its not just about our own personal safety...do you know how many Iraqi lives have been spared now that Hussein has been taken out? Do you know the hope they have now that we are there? Do you care about the tyranny they lived under before we invaded? They are human beings...men women and children being killed by an evil dictator for any little reason. Its not just about us..its about freedom for the Iraqis too. They deserve to have the freedoms that we take for granted, dont they?

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, never did. There were never "terrorists" in Iraq, we went there to kill one man, that's it and he's dead.

and many others will rise up to take his place if we dont stay the course and see this war through until they are stable.

Iraq was a mistake and to say so is a bad reflection on the people who sent our soldiers into harms way, not on the service of our men and women in uniform.

Thats your opinion...how about the opinion of this man..does it count?

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[Fox Mulder]

If you are saying a life is so precious that even the product of rape should be carried to term, even if it will cause that woman to relive that terrible attack every time she feels that fetus move inside her, then how can you support a war where hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died?

That statement is simply factually incorrect--I realize its the party line, but its incorrect nonetheless. By virtually any esitmates, more lives will be saved rather than lost on balance. The problem is liberals don't consider the hundreds of thousands of lives (many children) lost as a result of the Hussein regime--not just killed, but died due to conditions.

 

[Fox Mulder]

But the more important issues are the promises that Obama is making that he cannot possibly keep--like "free" healthcare and as valley pointed out the ridiculous assertion that raising the MW helps the poor. These are two examples of flat out economic impossibilities--black and white--it should insult a thinking person's intelligence to be fed this crap.

Does healthcare need reform? Yes. But national healthcare will cost taxpayers more not less. At the very least, it will simply shift the burden of paying for it to middle class taxpayers. That is--people who "choose" to go without healthcare or "pay as they go" will now be forced to pay for a healthcare plan. And anyone who thinks the "rich" or corporations will pay for it, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Obama will be elected through ignorance--people being told what they want to hear emotionally, but which is impossible economically. And his economic policies will fail as liberal economic policies always have failed--we are in for a horrible four years of economic suffering and the irony is that it will hit the lower income and middle class people (the ones Obama claims he is looking out for) the worse.

 

[Panic]

The father was the monster and there should be so superstition that the father is going to pass on his evil to a helpless baby. I believe that its the duty of every American citizen to support our president, no matter who they are.

I don't. If I don't agree with the president's platform I won't support everything he does.

there should be so superstition that the father is going to pass on his evil to a helpless baby.

This isn't necessarily in regards to abortion but generally speaking, people do inherit characteristic traits from their parents and I don't consider it superstitious to acknowledge that.

 

[Fox Mulder]

This isn't necessarily in regards to abortion but generally speaking, people do inherit characteristic traits from their parents and I don't consider it superstitious to acknowledge that.

They inherit genetic traits, not sociapathic behvior problems unless they are influenced by that parent. That is a child born due to rape is no more likely to be a rapist when that child grows up than any other child--that's the superstition. People's anti-social behavior is a result of their environment, not their genetics. For example, its a fact that black people are statically more likely to commit a crime. However, that's not because of anything contained in their genes, but rather due to the fact that black children are more likely to be raised in environments not conducive to socially acceptable behavior (i.e., raised in low income areas where crime and drug use is rampant). If you raise any child, black, white, or otherwise in a loving, safe environment, that child has the same likelihood to become a productive member of society.

 

[Panic]

They inherit genetic traits

That's what I said. But thanks for the sociology lesson.

 

[valley]

I don't. If I don't agree with the president's platform I won't support everything he does.

I did not mean to imply that supporting the president meant agreeing with everything he does. Obviously if Obama wins, then I wont support his stance on abortion. I meant to support him in general, and to want him to do his best without constantly trying to tear him down and criticize him for every decision he makes.

This isn't necessarily in regards to abortion...

Thanks for clarifying. :thumbup

 

[Panic]

Thanks for clarifying. :thumbup

Thanks for getting that.:thumbup