Why I am voting for McCain/Palin tomorrow

[Fox Mulder]

That's what I said. But thanks for the sociology lesson.

You said "characteristic" traits, which is very different than "genetic" traits. You may have meant "genetic" but I had no way of knowing that from the way you posted it. Sorry if I misunderstood it.

My point was that while we do obtain character traits from our parents, that would be regardless of whether the parent was our genetic or foster parent. Children pick up characteristics of parents by living with them and emulating them--but that's very different than a genetic trait, which would be picked up even if the child never interacted with its genetic parent.

Just thinking how sorry I feel for valley's children!!!! :eek

 

[valley]

You said "characteristic" traits, which is very different than "genetic" traits. You may have meant "genetic" but I had no way of knowing that from the way you posted it. Sorry if I misunderstood it.

I did a double take too...I though the words were "character traits" at first, which are a far cry from genetic traits. Simple misinterpretation problem.

My point was that while we do obtain character traits from our parents, that would be regardless of whether the parent was our genetic or foster parent. Children pick up characteristics of parents by living with them and emulating them--but that's very different than a genetic trait, which would be picked up even if the child never interacted with its genetic parent.

yup. Character traits are a result of social conditioning and the environment a kid is brought up in. Genetic traits are innate and not a learned thing.

Just thinking how sorry I feel for valley's children!!!! :eek

Ha..and I was just thanking God that you never had any boys!

 

[Panic]

You said "characteristic" traits, which is very different than "genetic" traits. You may have meant "genetic" but I had no way of knowing that from the way you posted it. Sorry if I misunderstood it.

My point was that while we do obtain character traits from our parents, that would be regardless of whether the parent was our genetic or foster parent. Children pick up characteristics of parents by living with them and emulating them--but that's very different than a genetic trait, which would be picked up even if the child never interacted with its genetic parent.

Just thinking how sorry I feel for valley's children!!!! :eek

Unpleasant traits like moodines and bad temper, emotional/mental problems can be passed on to offspring. Not all the traits come from environment, some are inherited. So it's not a far stretch to expect the offspring of a rapist could inherit some of the same emotional/mental problems as that of the rapist.

 

[valley]

Unpleasant traits like moodines and bad temper, emotional/mental problems can be passed on to offspring. Not all the traits come from environment, some are inherited. So it's not a far stretch to expect the offspring of a rapist could inherit some of the same emotional/mental problems as that of the rapist.

I think it is a stretch. If there were such thing as a rape gene then the best thing that could be done would be to sterilize all rapists so they couldnt make more children who would grow up to rape.

 

[wednesday]

I think lets just castrate the lot of them...

 

[Staci]

valley-

very well said! i personally will be voting for mccain tomorrow and i agree with everything you said and then debated with others. i applaud everyone who has posted here for actually saying intelligent statements instead of crap.

*runs and hides*

 

[wednesday]

:ninjaDid i say crap??:willy_nilly::willy_nilly:

 

[Panic]

I think it is a stretch. If there were such thing as a rape gene then the best thing that could be done would be to sterilize all rapists so they couldnt make more children who would grow up to rape.

There is no rape gene but they just can still inherit the same mental problems as that of the rapist....not the act of rape itself but some of the emotional/mental problems the rapist has. Like you said genetic traits are innate and not a learned thing.

 

[Panic]

:ninjaDid i say crap??:willy_nilly::willy_nilly:

Nope, I agree with every word you said in this thread.

 

[Fox Mulder]

There is no rape gene but they just can still inherit the same mental problems as that of the rapist....not the act of rape itself but some of the emotional/mental problems the rapist has. Like you said genetic traits are innate and not a learned thing.

Are you saying though that the child of a rapist is more likely to be a rapist? I firmly believe a person obtains a criminal mind or predilection based on their environment and upbrining not from their genetics.

 

[Leather N Lace]

Are you saying though that the child of a rapist is more likely to be a rapist? I firmly believe a person obtains a criminal mind or predilection based on their environment and upbrining not from their genetics.

Then how do you explain all of the kids who come from perfectly decent families, have normal upbringings, and yet they still end up killing someone, raping someone or dealing in drugs? Some criminal minds are BORN that way. Sociopaths are born every day. They are hard-wired to manipulate and use and kill. They may have loving parents and a loving family -- but it makes no difference because they don't feel the things that normal human beings feel. They don't feel love and compassion and empathy for their fellow human beings. They want what they want and they take what they want. It has nothing to do with their upbringing -- it has everything to do with how their brain functions.

Yes, some people become criminals because their environment pushes them in that direction -- but some people are just born criminals. And there's nothing that will change that.

 

[MTKO]

One word...

































































Anarchy

 

[wasred69]

Bush is a communist its been proven

 

[sspark]

I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH LEATHER n LACE & FOX MULER . AS FAR AS THE ELECTION , i THINK MC CAIN IS TO OLD & IT WILL BE THE SAME OLD SHIT THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH BUSH. HOWEVER I DON'T THINK OBAMA HAS ENOUGH KNOW HOW TO RUN THIS STILL GREAT COUNTRY. ARE WE NOT STILL AT WAR WITH ISLAM . THERE IS REALLY NOT MUCH CHOICE IN THIS ELECTION BUT, I WILL HAVE TO GO WITH MCCAIN I SUPPOSE .

 

[dt3]

I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH LEATHER n LACE & FOX MULER . AS FAR AS THE ELECTION , i THINK MC CAIN IS TO OLD & IT WILL BE THE SAME OLD SHIT THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH BUSH. HOWEVER I DON'T THINK OBAMA HAS ENOUGH KNOW HOW TO RUN THIS STILL GREAT COUNTRY. ARE WE NOT STILL AT WAR WITH ISLAM . THERE IS REALLY NOT MUCH CHOICE IN THIS ELECTION BUT, I WILL HAVE TO GO WITH MCCAIN I SUPPOSE .

We're at war with islamic extremists and terrorists, not Islam.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

We're at war with islamic extremists and terrorists, not Islam.

That's next:ninja

 

[dt3]

That's next:ninja

Maybe after France and OPEC.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Maybe after France and OPEC.

Okay that will take a week.....NEXT:24:

 

[Fox Mulder]

Then how do you explain all of the kids who come from perfectly decent families, have normal upbringings, and yet they still end up killing someone, raping someone or dealing in drugs? Some criminal minds are BORN that way. Sociopaths are born every day. They are hard-wired to manipulate and use and kill. They may have loving parents and a loving family -- but it makes no difference because they don't feel the things that normal human beings feel. They don't feel love and compassion and empathy for their fellow human beings. They want what they want and they take what they want. It has nothing to do with their upbringing -- it has everything to do with how their brain functions.

Yes, some people become criminals because their environment pushes them in that direction -- but some people are just born criminals. And there's nothing that will change that.

Do you have any empirical data to support your claim? You are simply spouting rank speculation. The human mind is extremely complex. To claim that a sociopath is "hard wired" and nothing can be done to change it is ridiculous. Human behavior is learned. Unlike many animals that are born with instincts, the human baby is completely and utterly helpless. It must be taught everything. As people grow up, they have interaction with many people--classmates, relatives, teachers, and the list goes on and on--simply because a kid may have loving parents doesn't mean that other influences don't come into play.

Explain to me why the crime in my neighborhood (fairly affluent) is virtually zero while the crime in the poor neighborhoods is rampant? If being a criminal is hard wired and genetic, why isn't crime uniform across all socio-economic strata of society? Also, why do some people reform? Why can someone be a felon in their 20s, yet be a perfectly law abiding citizen in their 40s and 50s? Does a genetic mutation occur after a few decades?

 

[Fox Mulder]

BTW--to clarify--I am not stating that people don't have certain genetic predispositions to certain behaviors. For example, men are more likely to commit crimes, probably because of the effect of testosterone. But to say that a rapist will pass on a "rape" gene that will doom an offspring to be a rapist regardless of environment is absurd in my view.