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yeah, it's pretty ridiculous he's a fucking haggard ass old man and they have him beating all these young guys they should be building up, and like every year he doesn't even wrestle, he just takes a shit ton of time off and comes back just in time for Wrestlemania, I don't know why they love him so much but it pisses me off, they should have had Orton break the streak IMO.

I think after they put Taker over Orton, it pretty much cemented the fact that it'll never end until he retires. Hell, we're doing the same match as last year, only with Triple H taking the role of HBK. It was a no holds barred match last year as well... the only thing different is that we have had the retirement stip added... yet. HBK should ended the streak, and then retired saying he had nothing left to prove.

It's ridiculous how people always talked about Shawn refusing to put guys over early in his career and held that against him. Yet in the second part of his career, that's about all he did.

Wrestlemania 11 - Put Diesel over

Wrestlemania 14 - Put Stone Cold over

Wrestlemania 20 - One of the greatest matches in Wrestlemania history, and I'm actually shocked that he wasn't the one to take the loss to Benoit instead of Triple H

Wrestlemania 21 - Put Angle over

Wrestlemania 23 - Put Cena over

Wrestlemania 25 - Continued Taker's streak

Wrestlemania 26 - Continued Taker's streak

and that's just Wrestlemania... 11 and 14 may not count, since it was in the first half of his career when he was still considered selfish.

 

[dkwrtw]

Undertaker is fucking selfish, I have no doubt that he probably just REFUSES to go along with his streak ending.

 

[Springsteen]

In fairness I think people remember the famous 'Lost my smile' thing and held it against Shawn for years, some still do. To be fair he did wuss out of the Bret match at Wrestlemania 13. I think Cena was a good one to put over at the time, though I feel Triple H the year earlier had a bigger impact. Going on from this I feel Triple H has put over guys well in his career, Batista, Cena, Cody Rhodes, Benoit, Randy Orton. He had the most flack I feel, moreso than Shawn and Taker.

Taker is also protective of his streak, however in the past he has been open to losing it if he feels it would lead to the creation of the next Stone Cold/Rock, there was a story around the time of Wrestlemania 22 that Mr Kennedy was going to break the streak at 23, Taker was very open to this but it never really happened.

 

[dkwrtw]

I will be so pissed if Triple H loses

 

[retro]

In fairness I think people remember the famous 'Lost my smile' thing and held it against Shawn for years, some still do. To be fair he did wuss out of the Bret match at Wrestlemania 13. I think Cena was a good one to put over at the time, though I feel Triple H the year earlier had a bigger impact. Going on from this I feel Triple H has put over guys well in his career, Batista, Cena, Cody Rhodes, Benoit, Randy Orton. He had the most flack I feel, moreso than Shawn and Taker.

Taker is also protective of his streak, however in the past he has been open to losing it if he feels it would lead to the creation of the next Stone Cold/Rock, there was a story around the time of Wrestlemania 22 that Mr Kennedy was going to break the streak at 23, Taker was very open to this but it never really happened.

I agree that Triple H has put a bunch of guys over... and he's gotten a ton of flack for not doing it over the years. But at the same time, if you think back 6-7 years ago, he had the World Championship more than anyone else. The problem with Orton not ending the streak is that it absolutely killed any momentum he had up until that point... he could've become the next big star right then and there, especially how Triple H had put him over before that. But it took Orton a few years to get over that loss, not personally, but in the eyes of the fans.

 

[Maulds]

I watched WWF religiously from 84-88 and from 95-2001ish but not any since until last night. My thoughts...it pretty much sucked. I missed the first ten minutes but the rest of the program didn't impress me a bit. I bet the almost 2 hours I watched included no more than 15 minutes of wrestling. Isn't it supposed to be a wrestling show first and foremost?

Totally agree about Undertaker, it's like he wrestles at Mania and Summerslam and takes the rest of the year to get over whatever new injury his indestructible self has suffered. In his career he hasn't sold one single move ever.....pretty selfish there.

Cole is annoying...no redeeming quality there and the Austin thing was soooo predictable. I think the only thing I enjoyed was seeing Sunny back in her prime.

However I will keep tuning in til Mania, they did just enough to make me think Austin and Swagger are gonna brawl to bring me back.

 

[Haus]

I personally dont think the streak should be broken... ever. but if it were to be broken it should be done by an up and comer. not some established star.

and whose to say that up and comer fails to get over or is fucking injury prone(kennedy) . Then he lost it to a no body

Just let the man have his streak. hes been in this company for 20+ years and is only a 7 time champion

The Undertaker is 45 years old for christ sake. Of course the dude is hurt most of the year. but it doesnt stop him by putting on MOTY 2 years in a row with Michaels

He makes most of the people he wrestles look better and puts on damn good matches and thats how he puts wrestlers over by making them look good while losing

and your beloved Michaels had such a fucking problem dropping the belt to Austin at WrestleMania 14 until Taker had to set him straight

 

[Xeno]

I still believe that Shawn Michaels will have something to do with whom wins and loses at Wrestlemania. I can see why he would interfere on Triple H's behalf since they are best of friends and it would be a "win" for Shawn Michaels if he helped Triple H defeat The Undertaker. Then again...Shawn Michaels is controversial overall. Maybe the only way he can prove that he is still better than Triple H is to keep him from doing what he could not do which is end the streak. No one truly knows what is going to happen though. For all we know...


...Hornswoggle might "Tadpole Splash" both of them and claim victory. Thus, The Undertaker's steak would have been a long road which came to a "short" end. Hey, anything is possible when it comes to Wrestlemania. Anything.​

 

[Maulds]

I'm not a homer for Michaels but I admit I never heard he had a problem dropping the belt to Austin at 14. Shawns back was such a wreck then he could barely even put on a mtach with Austin. He didn't wrestle for months leading up to that because his back was so f'd up. He was taking a long break after that was my understanding.

 

[Xeno]

I'm not a homer for Michaels but I admit I never heard he had a problem dropping the belt to Austin at 14. Shawns back was such a wreck then he could barely even put on a mtach with Austin. He didn't wrestle for months leading up to that because his back was so f'd up. He was taking a long break after that was my understanding.

True...he had messed up his back during The Casket Mach with The Undertaker. I give him tons of credit for hanging in their till Wrestlemania and then coming back for several years after he "healed" up in a sense.​

 

[retro]

I personally dont think the streak should be broken... ever. but if it were to be broken it should be done by an up and comer. not some established star.

and whose to say that up and comer fails to get over or is fucking injury prone(kennedy) . Then he lost it to a no body

Just let the man have his streak. hes been in this company for 20+ years and is only a 7 time champion

The Undertaker is 45 years old for christ sake. Of course the dude is hurt most of the year. but it doesnt stop him by putting on MOTY 2 years in a row with Michaels

He makes most of the people he wrestles look better and puts on damn good matches and thats how he puts wrestlers over by making them look good while losing

and your beloved Michaels had such a fucking problem dropping the belt to Austin at WrestleMania 14 until Taker had to set him straight

HBK v2 was a far different wrestler/person than HBK v1. As far as the MOTY's at the last two WrestlaManias... I think that HBK was the biggest reason for that. Taker couldn't carry Mark Henry to a good WrestleMania match, but Shawn made Vince look good for the love of God.

Taker doesn't make stars by beating them... Orton got buried in the eyes of the fans after losing to Taker at WrestleMania. Shawn put people over by laying on his back and giving them the win, after making them look like stars. He won all of two WM matches after his return, against Jericho (putting on one of the best WM matches ever... sense a pattern?), and then to retire Flair, at Ric's request. He held the World Championship once after his return to the best of my knowledge. He wasn't really involved in the world title picture for the most part for that part of his career. He put Hogan over for the love of God, and made him look as good as you can make Hogan look in the process. Like I said earlier, he put Cena over, and put the streak over twice. Say what you will about Shawn in the first half of his career, call him selfish... because he was, but he still put on great matches. He more than made up for the selfishness in the second half of his career by putting wrestler after wrestler over.

You can't say the same thing about Taker... the best you can claim is that he made people look good while beating them. Not even close to the same thing. HBK made people look good and made them legitimate, while Taker made people look good, but ultimately inferior to himself. I'll ask again, when was the last time that Taker actually lost a match other than what, against Kane? How many times has he held the World championship in the last 10 years?

 

[retro]

I watched WWF religiously from 84-88 and from 95-2001ish but not any since until last night. My thoughts...it pretty much sucked. I missed the first ten minutes but the rest of the program didn't impress me a bit. I bet the almost 2 hours I watched included no more than 15 minutes of wrestling. Isn't it supposed to be a wrestling show first and foremost?

Totally agree about Undertaker, it's like he wrestles at Mania and Summerslam and takes the rest of the year to get over whatever new injury his indestructible self has suffered. In his career he hasn't sold one single move ever.....pretty selfish there.

Cole is annoying...no redeeming quality there and the Austin thing was soooo predictable. I think the only thing I enjoyed was seeing Sunny back in her prime.

However I will keep tuning in til Mania, they did just enough to make me think Austin and Swagger are gonna brawl to bring me back.

I thought it was a pretty good show... RAW isn't as much about wrestling as it is storyline at this point. They need to take Cole out of the announcer role and make him a heel manager, probably for Swagger. He sucks behind the microphone, and him taking time from actual talent (not that I'm calling the "Divas" that wrestled last night talented) and burying them and making it about him is just dumb.

They've got me sucked in until Mania... Triple H vs. Taker should be good, and Edge vs. Del Rio has the potential to be the best match of the evening... but like I said, I really hope they somehow get Christian involved. He's probably one of the most underrated wrestlers around. TNA completely buried him after pushing him to the moon. Then he got back to WWE, and from what I've heard, they haven't really known what to do with him. IMO, he should be pushed to the top of the card to face Del Rio (whom I'm assuming will win the title at Mania). But I'm a peep

 

[Xeno]

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The "Original Version" of Shawn Michaels was the best.​

 

[dkwrtw]

Sean Michaels is a great wrestler but I've never been a huge fan of him, I do like him but not like I do others.

 

[retro]

I just legit popped for the first time in a while... when JR's music hit

 

[Maulds]

Fuck I forgot it was on, was it as boring as last week?

 

[retro]

and then I was disgusted with what they did with JR. :mad

 

[retro]

Fuck I forgot it was on, was it as boring as last week?

I think it was worth watching if just for Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus match. Really good wrestling in that match... mainly because Danielson is an amazing wrestler. I hope he gets a big push in the near future... he's the best technical wrestler around in my opinion.

 

[retro]

I love Trish

 

[retro]

The fact that Trish was included in this Wrestlemania match fortunately salvages Snooki being on the card. -.-