Keep our dirty, bloody, dollar soaked fingers out of the business of these [Third World] nations

[The Man]

I told you some Muslims take face covering as a religious command, a few take it as a fad or fashion....Taliban, Saudi's and some other Muslims all over the world take it seriously as a religious command. A few fashion buffs take it as fashion,

whatever the case may be it is a woman's born right to wear whatever she likes....men have no right to suppress her through their own whims.

Sikhs wear turban in western countries and refuse to wear helmet.....yet no one suppresses them to do what their faith forbids. even if the west tried the Sikhs won't obey your laws in this respect...and you won't be able to suppress them...
why>> ??? Just because they arre MEN!! Here your discrimination against Muslim women is very apparent.

There is no discrimination...all are required to uncover the face when the need arises.....wink.
But anyway...i am waiting for instructions in the Quran which require a woman to cover the face.
You have said that some wear it as a fad and in areas it is law...but I am awaiting a quote in the quran which shows it is a requirement.
You and your family are muslim ..your female family members do not cover the face
The question now is...are they disobeying Allah?

 

[Stone]

Where did I say rape, child abuse, wife killing or beating is not condemnable>?
they are,,,for sure. I am only discussing the aspects of 'honor killing'....and in this regard I have asked you some question in my earlier post but you never bothered to reply.....read my posts and answer before thrusting your own biased whims and conclusion on me...

Birds are also endangered species and its bad that Saudi's be given a blanket to hunt them ruthlessly,,,this does not mean that our culture regards humans any lower than anything,.,,,,I think you need a brain change.

You've been arguing to 'do in Rome as the Romans do'.......and in your culture, that obviously includes honor killings, wife beating/abuse/killing and rape along with the same to children. And you even chastised me for caring.

Sure, when I press you hard with your ugly truths, you backpedal for a post or two and proclaim civility.......and then back to your old rationale of 'when in Rome......'

Birds are also endangered species and its bad that Saudi's be given a blanket to hunt them ruthlessly,,,this does not mean that our culture regards humans any lower than anything,.,,,,I think you need a brain change

I think you need to be honest with the forum, mazHur.
The shit hole you hail from has scared your soul.

 

[The Man]

whatever the case may be it is a woman's born right to wear whatever she likes....men have no right to suppress her through their own whims.

Its not like that here..you cant walk the street naked for instance...not testify in court with a mask or other face covering.
You must also uncover the face for id purposes when required.
Additionally some areas do not allow a ski mask or other mask to be worn in public....No one is discriminating here the law is equal for all.
However a nation that requires a woman to cover the face by law is in fact discriminating.

 

[Stone]

It is a stepping over of religious freedom because some Muslims believe face forms bodily adornment of a woman,,,
there are several Muslim sects ....but some sects in Saudia, ME, India , Afghanistan and Pakistan, etc believe veiling is compulsory, If it wasn;t then these countries would have passed laws against burqa but because it is to some sects a religious duty so we have to respect that....even if that sect is in minority, If you don't respect their right you will further be cripply religious rights of a minority,,,and that's not fair, the sikhs too are in minority but because they are MEN you listened to them but because these Muslim wearing burqa are WOMEN you want to suppress them!! Wow!! what a bloody gender, sectarian, religious and minoritical oppression of freedom!!

Why is the face not covered if a religious requirement?
Thanks...you have shown it is indeed a fad as you stated earlier.

Wow, did mazHur get burned on his own post or what

 

[Stone]

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I am a Muslim and all my family members are Muslims.....my women folk do not wear burqa nor cover their faces...but they dress up decently. Nudity is forbidden in Islam.

You must have an awful short memory of what you've posted in the recent past.

 

[Stone]

Here we are talking about Great America....the NO 1 War monger...Pakistan is just an ant!!

Actually, as small as PK is, from a link I posted in one of Man's threads, PK might just be in the running for that slot along with the Russians.
But, go ahead and rant some more terrorist propaganda.

 

[The Man]

Wow, did mazHur get burned on his own post or what

Indeed...he has numerous posts referring to the face covering as a fad...then goes to mention that his family does not participate in the fad.
He has stated it is law is some areas..but yet has not shown where in the quran that instructs a woman to cover her face.

 

[Stone]

I told you some Muslims take face covering as a religious command, a few take it as a fad or fashion....Taliban, Saudi's and some other Muslims all over the world take it seriously as a religious command. A few fashion buffs take it as fashion,

whatever the case may be it is a woman's born right to wear whatever she likes....men have no right to suppress her through their own whims.

And yet they don't have the right to their own lives in your society other than at the whim of your males.
Interesting contrast.
Wear what ever you want, but you can be killed anyway.......great logic....

 

[The Man]

And yet they don't have the right to their own lives in your society other than at the whim of your males.
Interesting contrast.
Wear what ever you want, but you can be killed anyway.......great logic....

Expect a cartoon as a response

 

[Stone]

Expect a cartoon as a response

Yes, yes......I expect a cartoon.
But some of his don't carry a recognizable message relevant to the topic and when I ask what it means his response is even more bizarre.
Dark humor I understand, Islamic humor not so much.


Take this thread for instance.
Someone played a joke on mazHur and he never caught it.

Time to teach mazHur another of many lessons.

In his opening post, mazHur quotes a 'General David Sharp'.
Problem is, there is no such General

There is a General David M Shoup, however and he is credited with this quote:

I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-soaked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own—and if unfortunately their revolution must be of the violent type because the "haves" refuse to share with the "have-nots" by any peaceful method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American style, which they don't want and above all don't want crammed down their throats by Americans.

Shoup died in 1983.
His quote came from a speech in 1966 in context to the war in Vietnam which was a civil war, not a war between Islamic terrorists, operating under the protection of Pakistan....versus the West.
Entirely different context and situation that the world wasn't being faced with in 1966.


Almost everything maz posts needs to be double checked for authenticity.

How long has maz postured as an intellectual in this forum?

 

[The Man]

This one is for you maz

 

[Stone]

Posting a quote by an American himself makes you fluster and you turn the gun of your stupid frustration on me? Rest assure I do not hate the US or anyone for that sake. I just wanted to show you what's going on in your own countries (if you are an American) and what is going on does Matter!!

Regret you have nothing to come up with in a debate except whining about a few accusations on Muslims and Pakistan....and that proves your bias.

You are a fool's pawn

Time for denials.

You're up mazHur .......or should I call you manure?