Accountable
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It's not the computerized part so much as the data part. I'm not so sure I want the federal gov't to have tabs on every gun in the country.
27 People Dead, Mostly Children, at Connecticut Elementary School Shooting
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Agreed.
I unsubscribed from this thread quite some time ago, but I've noticed the past few days that there is a steady increase of pro-gun and anti-gun posts on my Facebook. I am SO sick of hearing about it. I feel for everybody involved, I do...and yes, it's a horrible tragedy and I'm just as upset that so many innocent people lost their lives. But not many things get to me anymore after 12 years in the business...children do. So no, I can't deal w/ talking about it ad nauseum. I can't make myself sit down and think about all those babies. I haven't watched the news in weeks now b/c I know it's all that they're talking about.
And still, everybody is just talking in circles and nothing is being done. And, in time, everybody will forget about it and more blood will be spilled and we'll repeat the same cycle of gun control debates while nothing is done to assist the mentally ill.
And still, everybody is just talking in circles and nothing is being done. And, in time, everybody will forget about it and more blood will be spilled and we'll repeat the same cycle of gun control debates while nothing is done to assist the mentally ill.
Accountable
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I pushed that issue pretty hard in another forum. It seems nobody really gives a shit about the mentally ill. They figure that if all the guns are confiscated then the crazies can run free without being able to shoot anybody. Problem solved. :smiley24:
Amazing, ain't it??? I tell ya, had someone thought of making drugs illegal YEARS ago we wouldn't have the meth problem we do in Houston County, Georgia!!! I'm gonna write my Congressman!!!
I agree with everything said above.
Accountable
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I don't see the connection, but write your congressman, for sure!
Joe the meek
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Ultimately as a person who I consider to be a responsible gun owner, I still can't imagine that boy having access to his mothers guns. Those guns should of been locked up.
Joe the meek
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Yes I do.
What I find sadly amusing is a gun that no one wanted 6 months ago I was selling at my cost for $550, no one wanted. Now people are willing to pay $1,200 for it because they think they won't be able to buy them anymore.
A news account by the AP the other week stated that if the 1990's AWB was still in place, the shooting at the school would never of occured. That is total BS. Sad fact is no one knows our current gun laws, let along our past ones.
Joe the meek
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You don't know safes very well.
Having guns, one needs to ensure that they are secure. A S&G combo isn't like your high school locker.
Is there no way the weapon itself can be immobilized
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Joe the meek
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I'm guessing I'm a little more familiar with gun safes than you.
Please show me a link on how to open a S&G combo manually.
Other than bringing in a plasma cutting and having some time, or being a master locksmith with some great natural skills, don't see it happening.
That said, give me 10 minutes with a 5lb hammer and srewdrive, I could even forcibly break into a sub 1k "gun safe" sold from a tractor supply store.
I have seen some rather nice safes myself....point being ...safes do exists that will keep the guns safe.
And they seem to be getting more popular.
Alot of people here have a lot of guns...so the investment on the safe isnt to bad when balanced out...but people cant bring themselves to buy a high dollar safe for a couple 22 rifles lol.
Joe the meek
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Most guys think they're getting a deal with they pay sub 1k for a LARGE Cannon safe at Tractor Supply LMAO
Thing is, using thick steel, even going with a stainless steel interior (for anti torching) costs money. Using a manual lock on a safe isn't anything like using the 3 number combos at gym class. That said, if you use an electronic lock, those things can be VERY easy to open if you know how to use some metal.
Minor Axis
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Now that's the problem, but I'm not saying I have the answers. Irresponsible/sick/bad people with guns and we want a system that keeps the guns out of the bad peoples' hands. In many cases the first time someone goes crazy and shoots up a school, mall, or movie theater is the first time they break the law. Is there a way to control guns or screen ownership of guns from those who could be a problem without keeping records of those who are currently good law abiding citizens? Or do we say public places being shot up is unfortunately acceptable to guard our right for everyone to own a gun? Based on expense and perceived effectiveness, I don't think an armed guard in every school is a good answer because you'd still have to cover all public places with armed personnel. Do we really want to live in a police state? Do we want most people in public to be armed with concealed carry permits? My gut feeling is to say no, we don't.
Accountable
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I don't think it's realistic to try to keep everyone completely safe and completely free. We could keep our children safe from harm if we lock them up and guard them like prisoners, but that's not acceptable, either. Shall we exterminate every venomous snake and poisonous spider? Outlaw glass that might break and any other sharp object? Shut down playgrounds that have climbing equipment? Don't forget germs. Perhaps we can require all children to wear chem suits until they turn 18.
Yes, that's all ridiculous. That's why we can't discuss this stuff while we're emotional.
Statistically speaking, how much danger from nuts with firearms are our children really in? I'm guessing the number is damn near zero.
We used to be the land of the free. I'd like to see us get back to that rather than the land of the protected. Freedom is not safe. Freedom involves risk. These are not bad things.
More and more, we seem to ask why we should allow a thing. Once upon a time we would ask why we should restrict it. I'd like to see us go back to that.
Yes, that's all ridiculous. That's why we can't discuss this stuff while we're emotional.
Statistically speaking, how much danger from nuts with firearms are our children really in? I'm guessing the number is damn near zero.
We used to be the land of the free. I'd like to see us get back to that rather than the land of the protected. Freedom is not safe. Freedom involves risk. These are not bad things.
More and more, we seem to ask why we should allow a thing. Once upon a time we would ask why we should restrict it. I'd like to see us go back to that.
Minor Axis
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IMO we also need to ask why we appear to have a unique problem for a western country.
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