American Sensitivity

Hmm no I really don't agree I'm afraid. A country, your relationship to it, is highly arbitrary, your relationship to your countrymen equally so. By being proud of your country it implies a negative, which is forced on everyone else not in your country. I don't see the need to relevance for that in this day and age. And, if you take it to it's logical conclusion, which many people do, you end up with all manner of horrible behaviour.

Out of interest, why are you proud of your country exactly? Is it something specific?

I'm proud that my country successfully established a republic that has been able to last for over 200 years and is a model for many modern democracies.

I'm also proud that America is the most diverse country in the world and that many different people are able to live together peacefully. I'm not saying that there isn't racial tension, but our country hasn't collapsed because of it, which is the case in many other nations.

As a whole, we generally enjoy a good quality of life.

I love the fact that America is also very spacious and geographically diverse.

That's all I can think of right now. Honestly, I just like living here and think what we have in America is very unique, and in a great way. :)
 
Don't take this personally or as a slight against the US, but I'm trying to point out the silliness of patriotism, not belittle the US or it's citizens in anyway.

I'm proud that my country successfully established a republic that has been able to last for over 200 years and is a model for many modern democracies.

Like where exactly uses the US model? (Other than those countries it's been enforced in by the US (Iraq etc))

I'm also proud that America is the most diverse country in the world and that many different people are able to live together peacefully. I'm not saying that there isn't racial tension, but our country hasn't collapsed because of it, which is the case in many other nations.

Papua New Guinea is thought to be the most diverse nation in the world, being home to a whopping 820 languages. The US is up there, along with the UK also India, Indonesia and Nigeria.

Which countries have collapsed?

As a whole, we generally enjoy a good quality of life.

Along with the rest of the western world? And at what cost to the rest of the planet?

I love the fact that America is also very spacious and geographically diverse.

Canada, Russia, China, Australia... blimey, even tiny little Spain enjoys good geographical diversity, from the white sandy beaches to the snow covered mountains, to the dusty plains and then to the north with the forests and rivers...

That's all I can think of right now. Honestly, I just like living here and think what we have in America is very unique, and in a great way. :)

Of that I have no doubt. But then how would you know unless you'd lived in all the other nations on Earth?

And this is the whole point with patriotism: it's an unquestioned love of something highly arbitrary without and confirming facts, and at the end of the day it's used as a method of control an manipulation.
 
Like where exactly uses the US model? (Other than those countries it's been enforced in by the US (Iraq etc))

Most of Latin America, France, parts of Africa and Asia. Pretty much any country that is a federal republic. Similiarly, there are many countries that follow the UK model, and some, which are a mixture of both.

Papua New Guinea is thought to be the most diverse nation in the world, being home to a whopping 820 languages. The US is up there, along with the UK also India, Indonesia and Nigeria.

Which countries have collapsed?

People have traveled from every corner of the globe to live in the US, I don't think you can say the same for Papua New Guinea. Yea, they might have a large array of tribes, but the US has many people who are very different from one another in all aspects.

There are countless countries that have fallen because the ethnic groups split up. The Soviet Union, the Balkans, and Sudan are just a few modern examples. Granted, there are many other factors in the examples above, but racial differences played an enormous role.


Along with the rest of the western world? And at what cost to the rest of the planet?

The planet is important, and we will need to find a compromise.


Canada, Russia, China, Australia... blimey, even tiny little Spain enjoys good geographical diversity, from the white sandy beaches to the snow covered mountains, to the dusty plains and then to the north with the forests and rivers...

I never said other countries didn't have geographical diversity, I'm just proud that I live in a country with such geographical diversity.

Of that I have no doubt. But then how would you know unless you'd lived in all the other nations on Earth?

Of course I won't know for sure.

However, I love the fact that I can travel from a tropical paradise, to the desert, to the mountains, to the cold tundra, and to the plains, all without leaving the US.That's not the case in most countries.


And this is the whole point with patriotism: it's an unquestioned love of something highly arbitrary without and confirming facts, and at the end of the day it's used as a method of control an manipulation.

That's the thing though, it can exist side by side with criticism. You're also right, it can be used as a method of control, just like anything. And hey, it may be arbritrary and unfounded, but at the end of the day I still love living in the US and being American. :thumbup
 
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Good answers Kyle, I shalln't debate any of them because that's not the point.

The point is, everything is up for debate, and is highly subjective. I mean, being proud of your country for being geographically varied, for example, seems very strange - it's not your country's doing for one thing.
 
There is nothing wrong with posting some statistics on a country. BUT if every single day I started posting nothing but negative statistics about a certain country, regardless of which country I was targeting it would be fairly obvious that I have some Anti <insert country here> agenda, would you not agree?


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Yeah I understand that. But surely one article does not hurt right? I'm not posting it to hurt anyone, but because I just find it interesting. Is it not interesting that 18% of Americans believe the sun revolves around the Earth? I'm sure there are Aussies who think the same.

One?

2/17 http://offtopicz.net/showthread.php?t=72551

2/8 http://offtopicz.net/showthread.php?t=72165

2/7 http://offtopicz.net/showthread.php?t=72125

That tends to make people believe there is a forming pattern. :dunno
 
I lived for four years in West Germany and for the most part lived as "native" as possible. True, walking down the street it was like I had a neon sign flashing over my head saying "American GI!!" but I didn't go around in camo and rocking the US flag. My friends were Germans, I ate in German restaurants, rented a German apartment and stayed off-base as much as possible which, given my assignment, was pretty much all the time when not on duty.

I realize that everybody saw me as an American and therefore it was like I had this "Don't fuck with him unless you want the government up your ass" aura around me, but for the most part you can say that I did live life as a German.

From the outside, I did notice a shrill note in the American jingoism. It was like the drunk guy at a football game screaming "Whooooaaaaaaa GOOOO COWBOYS!!" Ummm... you're in Texas Stadium... why are you trying to prove to everybody that you're a Cowboy fan and more importantly you are MORE of a fan than they are?

America has developed a kind of a "civic religion" that I haven't seen in other cultures. We revere the Founding Fathers (note the caps- that's standard) as the America version of saints. The Constitution is a holy document. The flag, a sacred relic that MUST NEVER TOUCH THE GROUND. The phrase "For God and Country"... in this country the two ideas are equal in many ways.

Looking from the outside in for a little while did give me a different perspective. I wondered "Why are we so damn... loud about being American?"

I've been back in the States for more than twenty years and some of those feelings still persist.

However, and I hate to even mention this, 9/11 changed the game. Even if you have a problem with your family, if somebody punches your brother all of the crap goes away and it's "This is family." time.

I'll never be the guy with a huge American flag flying from my pick-up truck while Lee Greenwoods "God Bless the USA" is blaring over the CD player. Those people make me cringe.

However, when a troll comes in and starts attacking everything about the US, it will get my fur up. I spent 12 years in uniform- I've EARNED the right to talk shit about the US.

If somebody with a personal bone to pick with the US wants to come in here and have an INTELLIGENT debate- I'm your boy. Hell, you stand a good chance at convincing me that we're screwed in certain areas. However, if your sole goal is to convince me or anybody else that the US is "the Great Satan" then my advise is to fuck off and do so as quickly as possible.
 

Lol and once again you don't bother to read anything properly don't you...

I hardly see how American Sensitivity is hurting anyone, I asked a question because I give a shit. Don't try and make me look bad out of it, I'm not doing anything wrong.

The American Dream is just another movie based on the flawed monetary system. It doesn't just talk about America in that film because the system is world over, even in my country. Try again?

And the other one is Ed's, which I never even added an opinion about!

There's no genuine relations between me and those posts, I can't help it if this whole world is Americanised.
 
Lol and once again you don't bother to read anything properly don't you...

I hardly see how American Sensitivity is hurting anyone, I asked a question because I give a shit. Don't try and make me look bad out of it, I'm not doing anything wrong.

The American Dream is just another movie based on the flawed monetary system. It doesn't just talk about America in that film because the system is world over, even in my country. Try again?

And the other one is Ed's, which I never even added an opinion about!

There's no genuine relations between me and those posts, I can't help it if this whole world is Americanised.
U can claim it';s ed's but you share his sentiment and YOU posted it. If he couldnt post it then he could have later
 
U can claim it';s ed's but you share his sentiment and YOU posted it. If he couldnt post it then he could have later

It was during the short period I had the very cool post count of 6969 - which I was trying to hang on to but I reported a spam post which bumped me up to 6970... anyway, it was posted purely upon my request.
 
I personally don't really care if people have a problem with the US, I don't expect foreigners to have love for the U.S. any more than I would have for any country that I've never been to, there are countries I have problems with but I keep my issues with them off of OTZ.
 
Oh look...another thread w/ Kimmy asking why everyone picks on her and Ed rushing to her defense. It's like watching the Hallmark Channel...different stories, all similar, and they all end the same. Bottom line is that if you can't take the responses you get perhaps you shouldn't post stuff just to stir the pot. As Peter said, what kind of response did you actually expect to get???

And since you're such a fan of logic, the illiteracy rate in the US is 14%...so it wouldn't surprise me that people who lack the basic skills to read don't know whether to Earth revolves around the Sun or vice versa.
 
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