Premier League season 2010/11

[skyblue]

ok...this hodgson thing,give the man a chance if and when a take-over happens......he's inherited a very poor squad with no money to improve it.all you have to do is watch match of the day and look at what the likes of man city/united,chelsea,arsenal,spurs and a few others have waiting to come on...then look at liverpools bench....benitez had money to spend and spent it badly,now hodgson is trying to make things work with whats there

 

[Springsteen]

Yeah that's the other thing. I mean Torres/Gerrard/Reina aside, Liverpool have a poor to average squad. Especially when you compare it to the likes of Chelsea, us and Arsenal, heck even Spurs and Man City (I know I know, they've had the money to spend). The other problem is Liverpool fans have somewhat unrealistic expectations, they were never going to challenge this season for the title yet some thought they did. I don't get that mindset especially when the poor squad is taken into account.

The best Liverpool fans are on RAWK, mind.

As I was saying, here are some corkers from RAWK. They're claiming Rafa was hated because he was foreign, and that the reason Roy isn't hated yet is because he's English. Lolz

There's talk about boycotting matches because of Roy. Why do they have to fucking boycott everything?! The Sun, Ryanair, Liverpool games, Margaret Thatcher.

Well, maybe next week.

This is the new 'next year' thing.

Fuck this shit. I've been holding my tongue for all the "give Roy a chance he needs time to settle in" posts just like I held my tongue when people were calling for Rafa to leave. I have stopped feeling sorry for my team, I have started to rage. This is not how Liverpool is meant to be fucking managed. We are not fucking supposed to be a few places above the drop zone after 6 games. Fuck off Roy. Carragher step down for fucks sake, your time is over. Are they deliberately trying to devalue the club for some sort of monetary gain? it is after all, about money whether you want to admit it or not.

We need a proper manager. We need some funds. We need new owners. We need senior player(s) in the team to fuck off. Its as simple as. Fuck this eggshell bullshit on this forum too. There I said it - and what?! - opinions are opinions if you don't like mine you know where you can go too.

please right the horrible wrong of last summer and appoint manuel pellegrini

Yeah, they'll win everything under Pellegrini. Listen to this man.

 

[Tuffdisc]

I don't agree you were doing well with Rafa. I mean last season was terrible, the only reason Liverpool made Europe this season was because Portsmouth were unable to take up their Euro spot, the season before was a good challenge but to be honest that was the only Title challenging season under Benitez. The main problem is he was a coach which is more suited to the European game (and one of the reasons Liverpool did well in Europe under Benitez, but he was never a manager in the purest sense. So I think, to get a Title challenge consistently, Benitez had to go, but no, Hodgson won't make Liverpool challenge for the Title. In fact it's looking doubtful he'll be challenging for Europe.

At least we qualified for the Europa cup, hardly what they are going to do under Hodgson

 

[Springsteen]

You missed the point, you only qualified for it last season because another team couldn't take up their place. So in actuality you didn't finish in a European place, you just got one through circumstances. That said I do agree on another point, you won't qualify under Roy, or at least it's looking unlikely.

 

[skyblue]

my opinion is that if liverpool found a new owner with cold,hard cash top players would join liverpool because of hodgson

 

[Tuffdisc]

my opinion is that if liverpool found a new owner with cold,hard cash top players would join liverpool because of hodgson

Because of Hodgson? Look at the situation here, international players are not working to their full potential, nothing to do with the World Cup as we have all players firing on all cylinders at other clubs because of the World Cup, if that was the case, don't you think they would be performing less?

Hodgson almost sunk Blackburn when he took charge of them, looks like he trying his damndest to repeat that if not worse if the owners don't get rid of him ASAP. Football doesn't rely fully on luck, like last season for Fulham, it relies on good players and managers/tactics. Not one Liverpool player are firing on all cylinders because they are playing the wrong tactics.

I wished Gerrard and Torres had been sold, because they are just simply covering up the crack for Hodgson, he should never of taken a job that was too much for him.

 

[Tuffdisc]

You missed the point, you only qualified for it last season because another team couldn't take up their place. So in actuality you didn't finish in a European place, you just got one through circumstances. That said I do agree on another point, you won't qualify under Roy, or at least it's looking unlikely.

What? How many teams qualify for Europa Cup per season? Quite a lot I imagine, so I don't think it is because the other teams couldn't take our place, that is simply ridiculous and stupid :thumbdown

 

[Springsteen]

What? How many teams qualify for Europa Cup per season? Quite a lot I imagine, so I don't think it is because the other teams couldn't take our place, that is simply ridiculous and stupid :thumbdown

Right, and don't dispute this because this is fact.

England get 3 Europa League places. The first one goes to the fifth placed team (which last season was Manchester City), the second one goes to the winners of the Carling Cup, which last season was Manchester United, however we were already going to qualify for the Champions League, so the sixth placed team, which were Aston Villa ironically (we beat them in the final) got the spot. The third spot goes to the FA Cup winners, however last season Chelsea had already qualified for the Champions League, so the spot went to Portsmouth as the runners up, however the rules state you cannot apply for a UEFA license while you are in administration so they had to give up their spot to the 7th placed team which, and take a deep breath, was Liverpool.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Fair enough, I may have been wrong but it doesn't disguise the fact that Woy "Hopeless" Hodgson is a bad manager. We were even fairing than Hodgson at this point of the season

 

[Springsteen]

I don't agree that if Liverpool suddenly magically wiped out the debts and had money top players would just come, it doesn't just happen like that. Not just Hodgson not being a top manager, but also Liverpool not being a top drawer club anymore. Liverpool wouldn't get the Aguero's, the Messi's, the Higuain's, the....basically any top players. Now the reason I say Hodgson wouldn't attract them is because he isn't a top name, I applied this logic to Mark Hughes at Man City when he got sacked. Someone like Mark Hughes isn't going to attract Europe's top players over a long period, whereas Roberto Mancini is a bigger name. However saying this if City don't make top 4 minimum this season Mancini will be sacked, because with all the money that's been spent anything below a top 4 finish is a failure, both financially and achievement as a knock on effect from that. As for Roy, he's done well at smaller teams because there isn't that much expectation there. Fulham are mid table premiership and the Europa League spot was seen as a huge bonus (which I assume made Liverpool go for him), he did ok in the first season with Blackburn but then went wrong in the 1998/99 season where they eventually went down (Hodgson was sacked in November I think), he did well with Switzerland, he did well with Inter (after a terrible couple of seasons prior to him joining he guided them to high league positions and the UEFA Cup final) and then Europe's lower leagues, again doing well, so he has a legacy but all at clubs who didn't really have any expectations, whereas Liverpool have/had expectations and so far he's failed.

 

[Tuffdisc]

I don't agree that if Liverpool suddenly magically wiped out the debts and had money top players would just come, it doesn't just happen like that. Not just Hodgson not being a top manager, but also Liverpool not being a top drawer club anymore. Liverpool wouldn't get the Aguero's, the Messi's, the Higuain's, the....basically any top players. Now the reason I say Hodgson wouldn't attract them is because he isn't a top name, I applied this logic to Mark Hughes at Man City when he got sacked. Someone like Mark Hughes isn't going to attract Europe's top players over a long period, whereas Roberto Mancini is a bigger name. However saying this if City don't make top 4 minimum this season Mancini will be sacked, because with all the money that's been spent anything below a top 4 finish is a failure, both financially and achievement as a knock on effect from that. As for Roy, he's done well at smaller teams because there isn't that much expectation there. Fulham are mid table premiership and the Europa League spot was seen as a huge bonus (which I assume made Liverpool go for him), he did ok in the first season with Blackburn but then went wrong in the 1998/99 season where they eventually went down (Hodgson was sacked in November I think), he did well with Switzerland, he did well with Inter (after a terrible couple of seasons prior to him joining he guided them to high league positions and the UEFA Cup final) and then Europe's lower leagues, again doing well, so he has a legacy but all at clubs who didn't really have any expectations, whereas Liverpool have/had expectations and so far he's failed.

Why do you keep going on about him doing well with Switzerland? As if no other Swizz manager never got that country qualifying for major tournaments, bit of a misdenomer isn't it? Bet Roy never got them to a world cup finals.

 

[Zorak]

Why do you keep going on about him doing well with Switzerland? As if no other Swizz manager never got that country qualifying for major tournaments, bit of a misdenomer isn't it? Bet Roy never got them to a world cup finals.

Misdenomer? ROFL :24:

You shouldn't use big words if you don't know what they mean or how to spell them.

 

[Tuffdisc]

Misdenomer? ROFL :24:

You shouldn't use big words if you don't know what they mean or how to spell them.

It was like 2 am in the morning

 

[Springsteen]

He qualified them for the 1994 World Cup, losing only once in their qualifying group and then for Euro 96, so he did a good job with them.

 

[Tuffdisc]

He qualified them for the 1994 World Cup, losing only once in their qualifying group and then for Euro 96, so he did a good job with them.

Not in most people's opinion, I guess if Man-ure don't qualify for the CL, then they will happily take him on?

 

[Springsteen]

Well I'd like to hear from Switzerland fans to see what they thought of Hodgson. And we wouldn't take him on because a) we always will qualify for the Champions League and b) he's below our level, we can still attract the big names of course, unlike Liverpool, who are finished as a big club and a threat in the league.

 

[Zorak]

Arsenal lost at home to WBA, which is a far inferior result to 2-2 against Sunderland.

Liverpool are in a transition period, it doesn't help that Liverpool fans are morons of course. What other set of supporters would class themselves as the biggest team in England when they haven't won a league title. or even been in contention for a whole season, for over 10 years...

 

[Tuffdisc]

Well I'd like to hear from Switzerland fans to see what they thought of Hodgson. And we wouldn't take him on because a) we always will qualify for the Champions League and b) he's below our level, we can still attract the big names of course, unlike Liverpool, who are finished as a big club and a threat in the league.

No such thing as always qualify, you seem to exalt him to the level of greatness, so why not? That has to be said whether we are finished as a big club, Liverpool are still up for sale hardly the debt Man-ure have got. So it goes without saying. Liverpool in terms of prestige have a lot more to offer than Man-ure

All we need to do is get rid of current owners and that thing called Liverpool's manager, who seems to want to destroy every big club he wants to take hold of

 

[Tuffdisc]

Arsenal lost at home to WBA, which is a far inferior result to 2-2 against Sunderland.

Liverpool are in a transition period, it doesn't help that Liverpool fans are morons of course. What other set of supporters would class themselves as the biggest team in England when they haven't won a league title. or even been in contention for a whole season, for over 10 years...

Er did you miss the season when we finished 2nd? Did we not win a few trophies along the way? More than can be said for Arsenal who seem content of being 3rd all the time at every season, with hardly a trophy in their cabinet since I don't when

 

[Zorak]

No such thing as always qualify, you seem to exalt him to the level of greatness, so why not? That has to be said whether we are finished as a big club, Liverpool are still up for sale hardly the debt Man-ure have got. So it goes without saying. Liverpool in terms of prestige have a lot more to offer than Man-ure

All we need to do is get rid of current owners and that thing called Liverpool's manager, who seems to want to destroy every big club he wants to take hold of

It seems your knowledge on economics is on par with your knowledge of football.

Man UTD is a goose that lays golden eggs, its a license to print money. They made £50mil profit last report. The amount of debt they are in is inconsiquential, because they have the equity to pay it back.

Liverpool however, do not. That is why the banks have called their loans in.