Dubai waiter rapes Brit girl – then SHE and fiance are held for illegal sex

[Grin]

I'm taken aback at this post. A violent crime was committed against her. I'm sure that was first and foremost in her mind and that of her fiance when they went to report it.

But when a crime is committed even against those who show poor judgement, they should not report the crime and allow the animal who took advantage of her to get away with it and possibly commit the same crime on another woman?

Please allow me to explain, Margene.

The woman in question went to to police to report a rape. Which, of course, is the correct and obvious thing to do when you find yourself in a Western country. However, while she was in the process of reporting the crime, the Dubai police discovered that this woman was a Muslim and unmarried, and that she was sharing a hotel bedroom with her fiance. It also emerged that she was drunk when the crime happened. In Dubai, it is illegal for Muslim women to drink alcohol or have sex before marriage. So instead of hearing, 'I've been raped, please help me,' the Dubai police heard 'I am unmarried, having illegal sex and I drink alcohol.' These are crimes which incur an immediate and automatic prison sentence, so the local police basically had no choice but to arrest her and throw her in jail. It is, after all, their job to enforce the law. The reason why this story made the news is because of the irony involved. The woman was treated like a felon, whilst being a victim of crime.

I feel that this woman acted stupidly at the time. She is Muslim, of Pakistani descent, which means that she is must have been aware how women that drink and engage in unmarried sex are viewed. Had she gone to the British Embassy they would have been very sympathetic, but they would also have advised her that her options were a) to get on the next plane out or b) to report the crime and face an immediate and probably very long jail sentence. I know which I would have chosen, much as it would have galled me to do so. By reporting the crime she basically informed the police that she had contravened the local moral and drinking laws, but for reasons only known to herself she somehow expected these wouldn't apply to her.

In Dubai, any Muslim women who drink are viewed as 'immoral' and 'easy prey.' A woman who isn't in the company of her husband or father is considered fair game for any passing male. It sucks, and it is totally wrong, but this is unfortunately how things work in Dubai. There is absolutely no point in arguing over the treatment women receive, or fighting against it, because that would be like hitting your head against a brick wall. If you're a smart woman you keep your nose clean and toe the line, and you do this not because you want to, but because you really have no choice. I lived in India for a year, and I used to visit Dubai every six weeks or so to stock up on Western groceries. I KNOW what I'm talking about.

I also stand by my original statement that this woman should have shown more personal responsibility. I feel sorry that she was raped, and my heart goes out to every woman who finds herself in that horrendous situation. However, she should have respected the laws of the country she found herself in, and moderated her alcohol intake accordingly.

 

[Jessica]

I'd like to see what she has to say about that comment.

However, I agree, rape doesn't happen because a woman gets drunk. It is not a crime of sex, that is the weapon. Rape is a crime of violence against a woman.

but their law is that it's the woman's fault if she's raped :/

 

[kelvin070]

She committed close proximity which is a crime in dubai before she was raped. She still has to serve her sentence. Its pretty straight forward.

 

[Margene]

Please allow me to explain, Margene.

The woman in question went to to police to report a rape. Which, of course, is the correct and obvious thing to do when you find yourself in a Western country. However, while she was in the process of reporting the crime, the Dubai police discovered that this woman was a Muslim and unmarried, and that she was sharing a hotel bedroom with her fiance. It also emerged that she was drunk when the crime happened. In Dubai, it is illegal for Muslim women to drink alcohol or have sex before marriage. So instead of hearing, 'I've been raped, please help me,' the Dubai police heard 'I am unmarried, having illegal sex and I drink alcohol.' These are crimes which incur an immediate and automatic prison sentence, so the local police basically had no choice but to arrest her and throw her in jail. It is, after all, their job to enforce the law. The reason why this story made the news is because of the irony involved. The woman was treated like a felon, whilst being a victim of crime.

I feel that this woman acted stupidly at the time. She is Muslim, of Pakistani descent, which means that she is must have been aware how women that drink and engage in unmarried sex are viewed. Had she gone to the British Embassy they would have been very sympathetic, but they would also have advised her that her options were a) to get on the next plane out or b) to report the crime and face an immediate and probably very long jail sentence. I know which I would have chosen, much as it would have galled me to do so. By reporting the crime she basically informed the police that she had contravened the local moral and drinking laws, but for reasons only known to herself she somehow expected these wouldn't apply to her.

In Dubai, any Muslim women who drink are viewed as 'immoral' and 'easy prey.' A woman who isn't in the company of her husband or father is considered fair game for any passing male. It sucks, and it is totally wrong, but this is unfortunately how things work in Dubai. There is absolutely no point in arguing over the treatment women receive, or fighting against it, because that would be like hitting your head against a brick wall. If you're a smart woman you keep your nose clean and toe the line, and you do this not because you want to, but because you really have no choice. I lived in India for a year, and I used to visit Dubai every six weeks or so to stock up on Western groceries. I KNOW what I'm talking about.

I also stand by my original statement that this woman should have shown more personal responsibility. I feel sorry that she was raped, and my heart goes out to every woman who finds herself in that horrendous situation. However, she should have respected the laws of the country she found herself in, and moderated her alcohol intake accordingly.

I read the OP, the article and all subsequent posts and understand your point. I take exception to the tone of it though. Over and again it sounds like you are blaming the victim and are taking those of us who find the situation morally rephrensible, to task for stating that.

Expanding on KyleB's earlier post, it would seem the government of Dubai is somewhat complicit in this situation. They enable women to drink in their country. They allowed this unmarried woman to room with her fiance. Didn't they setup the circumstances which, in your view, caused the rape?

If they want to encouarge tourism from the west, then they cannot allow their customs/laws to victimize visitors. As I said before, westerners should boycott Dubai as long as they do.

 

[Kyle B]

She committed close proximity which is a crime in dubai before she was raped. She still has to serve her sentence. Its pretty straight forward.

Well good thing we know it's straightforward. :sarcasm
Bottom line is that the law is completely unjust because a woman who was raped was victimized yet again by the legal system.

 

[Pabst]

Well good thing we know it's straightforward. :sarcasm
Bottom line is that the law is completely unjust because a woman who was raped was victimized yet again by the legal system.

i have two points to make about this.

1. yes she broke the law, regardless if she is a victim of rape the police still have to enforce the law. even victims can be criminals. that isnt to say i agree with such laws but that's the price you pay for visiting other countries, they can make any damn laws they want, your presence in that country is not required or necessary so you assume these risks when you go to another country.

2. that scum bag piece of shit rapist should be thrown in a prison cell himself for what he did. whatever she did does not negate what he did. he should be held 100% accountable for what he did but clearly he will not.


while kelvin is right about the laws of the land he's also a dick for blasting the US over and over for human rights crap while saying nothing about crap like this that goes on in countries like dubai. being technically right doesnt make you morally right, especially when you'll overlook a rape to make another anti american bullshit comment like he has. that makes you morally repugnant. picking and choosing when to speak up/out for human rights pretty much shows that he doesnt give two shits about human rights. either you believe in human rights for all or you dont and if you dont that makes you no different than people like hitler who viewed jews/homosexuals/cripples/mentally retarded etc as less than human.

 

[Grin]

I read the OP, the article and all subsequent posts and understand your point. I take exception to the tone of it though. Over and again it sounds like you are blaming the victim and are taking those of us who find the situation morally rephrensible, to task for stating that.

Expanding on KyleB's earlier post, it would seem the government of Dubai is somewhat complicit in this situation. They enable women to drink in their country. They allowed this unmarried woman to room with her fiance. Didn't they setup the circumstances which, in your view, caused the rape?

If they want to encouarge tourism from the west, then they cannot allow their customs/laws to victimize visitors. As I said before, westerners should boycott Dubai as long as they do.

I'm very sorry that you take exception to the 'tone' of my post. I wasn't aware of any such thing, and I did not post with any intention to offend you. :dunno

I do NOT blame the victim.... nor do I blame the 'circumstances' you refer to for the rape. Those circumstances have been in place for a very long time, and as far as I know thousands of female tourists visit Dubai without getting raped. The woman should have drunk less, but ultimately this rape was an opportunistic crime.

As to the government of Dubai.... they are obviously out to make money, but it remains up to the tourist not take stupid risks.... more than that, I can't really say. Most tourist sites and guide books warn visitors that unmarried sex is illegal in Dubai, so if people choose to take the risk it's up to them. It is not really feasible to blame their government for the behaviour this particular individual, OR that of the rapist. The government quite rightly assumes that both visitors and natives are aware of the laws.


Right, I'm DONE with this thread. Enough is enough.

 

[Accountable]

I do NOT blame the victim.... nor do I blame the 'circumstances' you refer to for the rape.

... a crime which happened because because she was drunk.

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[Grin]

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Fair enough.... I DID say that. I do maintain that the rape would most probably not have happened if the woman wasn't lying unconscious in a toilet. But ultimately, it was an opportunistic and cowardly crime.

 

[Margene]

I'm very sorry that you take exception to the 'tone' of my post. I wasn't aware of any such thing, and I did not post with any intention to offend you. :dunno

I do NOT blame the victim.... nor do I blame the 'circumstances' you refer to for the rape. Those circumstances have been in place for a very long time, and as far as I know thousands of female tourists visit Dubai without getting raped. The woman should have drunk less, but ultimately this rape was an opportunistic crime.

As to the government of Dubai.... they are obviously out to make money, but it remains up to the tourist not take stupid risks.... more than that, I can't really say. Most tourist sites and guide books warn visitors that unmarried sex is illegal in Dubai, so if people choose to take the risk it's up to them. It is not really feasible to blame their government for the behaviour this particular individual, OR that of the rapist. The government quite rightly assumes that both visitors and natives are aware of the laws.


Right, I'm DONE with this thread. Enough is enough.

I said I took exception, not that I was offended. As you posted that she was drunk more than once, it seemed to me, you were blaming her and that is the "tone" to which I took exception.

It also seems to me Dubai is being hypocritical in selling alcohol at all, much less to women, as that is against their law. You ignored that portion of my post. So they turn a blind eye on one side to making money off it, but then their vision is restored in this circumstance. How convenient of them to take offense at something they allowed in the first place.

Further, one may assume that in allowing an unmarried couple to share a room, in order to make a buck, they are willing practioners of hypocrisy on that count as well.

So yes, I do blame the government for opening the door to this travesty of justice.

 

[kelvin070]

You guys been brainwashed by freedom and when you end up in a muslim country you can't think straight.
Rule No 1 - Don't fuck around in a muslim country.
Rule No 2 - Dress appropriately in a muslim country. If you gonna wear revealing clothes then you are inviting trouble
Rule No 3 - Ensure you are safe there at all times with someone always with you. Rape is common there.
Rule No 4 - Don't expect any just treatment if you are a westerner.
I travel to Malaysia often and I don't stay at budget hotels cuz I know very well that the Islamic Police conduct frequent raids at budget hotels.
Unmarried couples caught in Malaysia hotel raids

Fifty-two unmarried couples could face charges of sexual misconduct and jail terms after being caught in hotel rooms by Malaysia's Islamic morality police. Scores of officers conducted raids on budget hotels on New Year's Day in the western state of Selangor.

BBC News - Unmarried couples caught in Malaysia hotel raids

 

[Accountable]

What the hell does "brainwashed by freedom" mean??

 

[Kyle B]

You guys been brainwashed by freedom and when you end up in a muslim country you can't think straight.
Rule No 1 - Don't fuck around in a muslim country.
Rule No 2 - Dress appropriately in a muslim country. If you gonna wear revealing clothes then you are inviting trouble
Rule No 3 - Ensure you are safe there at all times with someone always with you. Rape is common there.
Rule No 4 - Don't expect any just treatment if you are a westerner.
I travel to Malaysia often and I don't stay at budget hotels cuz I know very well that the Islamic Police conduct frequent raids at budget hotels.
Unmarried couples caught in Malaysia hotel raids


BBC News - Unmarried couples caught in Malaysia hotel raids

I think all those rules could be condensed into one.

Golden Rule when visiting (most) Muslim countries- Don't expect basic human rights to be respected.

 

[Margene]

I think all those rules could be condensed into one.

Golden Rule when visiting (most) Muslim countries- Don't expect basic human rights to be respected.

Indeed. :thumbup

While they serve alcohol against Sharia law, thus setting tourists up for problems.

 

[kelvin070]

How a Woman Must Prove Rape
Why are rape victims punished by Islamic courts as adulterers?
Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

Source:TheReligionofPeace - Islam: What Must a Woman Do to Prove Rape?

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[kelvin070]

Do some research first before jumping on people, calling names and resorting to personal attacks.

 

[Margene]

How a Woman Must Prove Rape

Why are rape victims punished by Islamic courts as adulterers?
Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.​

Source:TheReligionofPeace - Islam: What Must a Woman Do to Prove Rape?​

So really, rape can't occur in countries under Islamic law.

 

[kelvin070]

So really, rape can't occur in countries under Islamic law.

Read it again.

 

[Margene]

Read it again.

Oh I did. I stand by my assertion.

 

[Pabst]

its funny to see kelvin defend this bullshit. and by funny i mean sad and pathetic.