You're No Hero

[Alien Allen]

Chicken

 

[dt3]

My whole premise is based on the fact that poor kids feel their only future is in dealing drugs. There is a culture that tells em there is nothing much else worth striving for. We have ignored our past. Alcohol was demonized and banned. All that did was create a cash cow for the mob and along with it the violence that followed.

We do not take addiction of any kind seriously enough in this country. Just say no does not work and is not enough. Besides at the rate our govt is growing we can not afford this assinine pseudo war on drugs that is not winnable.

Some things you just can not legislate and drug us is one. You need peer pressure and parents that are involved to curb it. Just making it illegal does not work as is clearly evidenced.

Which side of 8 Mile do you live on?

 

[Alien Allen]

Which side of 8 Mile do you live on?

9 miles north

Takes a special kind of person to survive south of 8 mile

 

[Goat Whisperer]

My whole premise is based on the fact that poor kids feel their only future is in dealing drugs. There is a culture that tells em there is nothing much else worth striving for. We have ignored our past. Alcohol was demonized and banned. All that did was create a cash cow for the mob and along with it the violence that followed.

We do not take addiction of any kind seriously enough in this country. Just say no does not work and is not enough. Besides at the rate our govt is growing we can not afford this assinine pseudo war on drugs that is not winnable.

Some things you just can not legislate and drug us is one. You need peer pressure and parents that are involved to curb it. Just making it illegal does not work as is clearly evidenced.

For this law to help, the majority of drug addicts would have to have gotten hooked on drugs because of the whole 'drug lord' idol idea. However, this is not why the majority of addicts have gotten addicted to drugs, and for those who it is a reason, it is not the main one.

Once again, I am certainly not saying our current system is good, I am saying that making all drugs will hurt more then it will help.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I wish for once we could have a logical discussion instead of a full blown debate. The "I am right and you are wrong" thing doesn't work. We are both right and we are both wrong, compromise will bring us to the best ideas from both worlds.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Positives of Legalizing Drugs:

• Remove drug lords as idols in poor neighborhoods
• Make drugs safer
• Help upper and middle class economies
• Raise additional money to fight drug addiction
• Decrease misdemeanor crime rates

Negatives of Legalizing Drugs

• Make drugs more accessible
• Cause a governmental hypocrisy
• Cause rates of recovering addicts to drop (because of less expensive/safer drugs, and less motivation to start rehab)
• Increase felony crime rates
• Harm lower class economies

 

[Alien Allen]

For this law to help, the majority of drug addicts would have to have gotten hooked on drugs because of the whole 'drug lord' idol idea. However, this is not why the majority of addicts have gotten addicted to drugs, and for those who it is a reason, it is not the main one.

Once again, I am certainly not saying our current system is good, I am saying that making all drugs will hurt more then it will help.

You seem to ignore the lessons of prohibition.

Legalization is not a panacea and other things need to follow along with it. But make no mistake taking the profit out of drug running will have a huge impact. It goes from the drug runners in Mexico and herion and cocaine runners from other parts in addition to just the local drug trade.

That is only one component though. The other issue is the cost to fight drug use. Look at all the money we spend and what do we get from it? It is a damn piss poor investment that is a losing cause and the money could be spent wiser on getting better treatment to addicts rather than jailing them which is useless.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Our current system does need to be reformed, and it doesn't work. But this law will not help drug addiction, especially in the long run. I am not saying that we don't need to work on the way we are handling drugs, but I am saying that making drugs legal is not the solution.

 

[Alien Allen]

and I am saying that keeping them illegal is not the solution

 

[Zorak]

Positives of Legalizing Drugs:

• Remove drug lords as idols in poor neighborhoods
• Make drugs safer
• Help upper and middle class economies
• Raise additional money to fight drug addiction
• Decrease misdemeanor crime rates

Negatives of Legalizing Drugs

• Make drugs more accessible
• Cause a governmental hypocrisy
• Cause rates of recovering addicts to drop (because of less expensive/safer drugs, and less motivation to start rehab)
• Increase felony crime rates
• Harm lower class economies

If there would be a hypocrisy, it is of that governments own making.

If drugs were legalised, the natural process would be for education to provide for once the facts about drugs. Instead of the stigmatism influenced ways about now.

Teach people the reality and allow them, when consenting adults, to live in that enlightened freedom. It might teach people the value of moderation.

 

[alice in chains]

i think forget that there's no such thing as the best of both worlds...

 

[alice in chains]

think people* ugh i suck at typing.

 

[Accountable]

Positives of Legalizing Drugs:

• Remove drug lords as idols in poor neighborhoods
• Make drugs safer
• Help upper and middle class economies
• Raise additional money to fight drug addiction
• Decrease misdemeanor crime rates

Negatives of Legalizing Drugs

• Make drugs more accessible
• Cause a governmental hypocrisy
• Cause rates of recovering addicts to drop (because of less expensive/safer drugs, and less motivation to start rehab)
• Increase felony crime rates
• Harm lower class economies

I don't agree with any of your negatives, but the main one is claiming it's hypocrisy not to ban drugs for adults. America is the land of the free. That means freedom to be stupid as much as anything else. The hypocrisy is in protecting individuals against themselves - in not allowing the freedom to decide for themselves.

 

[justmee]

from my understanding he had cocaine and oxy contin in his system when he died...yeah, what a role model...lol

 

[Zorak]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6894710.ece

A fairly good article from a decent paper over here about the unrest about the discrepancy between the crime and the punishment of drugs.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I don't agree with any of your negatives, but the main one is claiming it's hypocrisy not to ban drugs for adults. America is the land of the free. That means freedom to be stupid as much as anything else. The hypocrisy is in protecting individuals against themselves - in not allowing the freedom to decide for themselves.

That's not the main one, and it it's called Confirmation Biased. You feel you're right, so even though the sides are pretty much even, yours is better or no other reason then you want it to be. you are incapable of weighing the evidence fairly, because you already picked a side.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

If there would be a hypocrisy, it is of that governments own making.

If drugs were legalised, the natural process would be for education to provide for once the facts about drugs. Instead of the stigmatism influenced ways about now.

Teach people the reality and allow them, when consenting adults, to live in that enlightened freedom. It might teach people the value of moderation.

You can't teach a drug addict the value of moderation! If someone is addicted to drugs, they are going to take just as much as it takes to keep them from feeling sick.

And that's the stupidest point against it ever, we're allowed to be hypocritical about drugs, because are people should be smart enough not to feel that we are hypocritical?

Are you a teenager? Because I am a teenager. And we would all feel that the government is being hypocritical about drugs, and the 60% of us that listen to anyone who says drugs are bad, well that would drop down lower simply because, how can we possibly listen to someone who says one thing and does another?? They say drugs are bad, and then sell them to us??

 

[anathelia]

from my understanding he had cocaine and oxy contin in his system when he died...yeah, what a role model...lol

DJ AM? Of course he did. Once a drug addict always a drug addict. After he was in that plane crash with Travis Barker they put him on pain killers. Duh, the dude went back to drugs. That's just stupid.

Doctors are ignorant to a lot of things when it comes to celebrities. If you have a history of drug abuse and you're a regular joe, they don't mess around and give you pain killers. That's just stupid. But hey, he's famous. So who cares? We just want to make them happy.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Once a drug addict always a drug addict.

I disagree.

 

[anathelia]

I disagree.

Have you personally known any?

Because I don't think you have.

My brother almost DIED from overdosing on cocaine last year.

He hasn't touched the drug since, and to this day he can't guarantee you that if you put cocaine in front of him that he wouldn't want to use it.