You say you're pro-life, but do you mean it?

[JanieDough]

if you think it's morally wrong, then how can you be pro choice?

that's kind of being apathetic right? Like if you believe something is morally wrong you shouldn't be OK with some one else doing it??

 

[edgray]

if you think it's morally wrong, then how can you be pro choice?

that's kind of being apathetic right? Like if you believe something is morally wrong you shouldn't be OK with some one else doing it??

I wouldn't call that apathetic.

You may morally disagree with a lot of things, such as adultery, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal.

Laws and policy shouldn't be made on moral grounds simply because everyone's morals are different.

 

[JanieDough]

I wouldn't call that apathetic.

You may morally disagree with a lot of things, such as adultery, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal.

Laws and policy shouldn't be made on moral grounds simply because everyone's morals are different.

no but if I morally disagree with adultery should I approve of some one else doing it?

 

[Dana]

:wtf:

Spina Bifida... It's a great girls name dontcha know?

 

[edgray]

no but if I morally disagree with adultery should I approve of some one else doing it?

keeping something legal and approving of something I would say are quite different.

Morally disagreeing with something is fine, that's your own personal view point, but it shouldn't dictate whether or not something should be allowed or not.

With adultery, you can disapprove all you like, that's your morals and that's great. But I'm sure you understand it couldn't be made illegal, because those that commit adultery will disagree with you.

 

[anathelia]

no but if I morally disagree with adultery should I approve of some one else doing it?

No one said they approved it. The point is. It's not your place or my place to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't do with their body. I personally wouldn't do it, and while I wouldn't agree with someone else doing it, and would try and convince them otherwise, it's not my place to make their decisions for them.

 

[edgray]

No one said they approved it. The point is. It's not your place or my place to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't do with their body. I personally wouldn't do it, and while I wouldn't agree with someone else doing it, and would try and convince them otherwise, it's not my place to make their decisions for them.

yeah, thats pretty much what I was trying to say.

 

[JanieDough]

No one said they approved it. The point is. It's not your place or my place to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't do with their body. I personally wouldn't do it, and while I wouldn't agree with someone else doing it, and would try and convince them otherwise, it's not my place to make their decisions for them.

so if some one wanted to commit suicide you would be ok with it?

I am not arguing for against abortion. I am saying if you think something - like abortion for example - is MORALLY wrong - not just "not right for you," but MORALLY wrong - then should you really be OK with other people doing it?

 

[ATKU2]

There are very few things in this world that I truely support... and I will begin a small or well hopefully small list.

1: Animal Shelters (Wildlife Protection & Ect similar).
2: Gay Marriage/Lesbian Marriage (ect similar)

And that's pretty much it....
I dislike war more than almost anything else, cause violence normally doesn't solve anything...

 

[anathelia]

so if some one wanted to commit suicide you would be ok with it?

I am not arguing for against abortion. I am saying if you think something - like abortion for example - is MORALLY wrong - not just "not right for you," but MORALLY wrong - then should you really be OK with other people doing it?

Again. No one said they're OKAY with it. Just that it is NOT our place to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't do with their body. Do I think it's okay for people to commit suicide? Absolutely not. I am MORALLY against it. And as such, AGAIN, I would try and convince them otherwise. But their body is not my body. Their life is not MY life. It is not my RIGHT to tell them what the should or shouldn't do and have them be FORCED to listen to me.

 

[anathelia]

Let's put it this way.

When we were younger, my best friend got pregnant. She self aborted. I abhorrently disagree with her choice. But she's still my best friend. There ARE other options, but she has the freedom to choose from those options. If the government came along and made abortions illegal, that would no longer be an option and that's not right in that the government is essentially forcing every woman, no matter the situation, to carry their baby to term. The option shouldn't be taken away for the reason I previously stated yesterday. And while some people who accidentally get pregnant choose to abort, I wouldn't. It's still not my place to tell them what to do. But I sure as hell wouldn't support their decision. Maybe that's the part you're not getting. If my best friend decided again to get an abortion and do it the "right" way or whatever..I wouldn't go with her. There are other options. That may make me cold hearted, but it's her choice, and I *don't* agree with it.

 

[Peter Parka]

Really dont get this argument about its my body and I have the right to do what I want with it. It's not your body we're talking about, it's the unborn babys body.

 

[porterjack]

Really dont get this argument about its my body and I have the right to do what I want with it. It's not your body we're talking about, it's the unborn babys body.

the defintion of when is key, i.e. can you say when the foetus is distinctly different and seperate from the mother - not one i can answer

 

[Accountable]

so if some one wanted to commit suicide you would be ok with it?

I am not arguing for against abortion. I am saying if you think something - like abortion for example - is MORALLY wrong - not just "not right for you," but MORALLY wrong - then should you really be OK with other people doing it?

Lemme give this a shot, because Ed and I are absolutely in agreement here. If you and I morally disagreed on a particular subject - meaning I would never ever do such a heinous thing (whatever it may be) and you thought it was no big deal - would you expect me to fight to limit your right to do as you wished?

We can't, and shouldn't, legislate morality. Morality needs to be left up to the individual.

 

[Accountable]

You are absolutely right... I have the right to live, but my point is that my blood does not have rights as an individual. We don't treat blood as human life, it's just a collection of living cells unable to survive on it's own. Yet under your definition of life it has rights.
So if you want to base this in science, then you need to come up with a better definition before we start assigning rights to any living cells with human DNA.
Maybe you can clarify your definition of life and when you think rights apply so we are all on the same page.

Incorrect, O Spinning One. You misstate my definition; consciously, I'm sure. Go disagree for the sake of disagreeing somewhere else.

 

[Accountable]

It's the pro-lifers who use religion to advocate no abortion, not the pro-choice people. You view is that the clump of cells will become a human and it has rights. There are a bunch of people who disagree. No matter what it's potential, it's not yet a viable human being.

There you go flipping back to "viable" again. It's not my view that the clump of cells will become a human. It already is. It has DNA unique to itself that would identify it as such in any court of law. Society clings desperately to this idea of not being human until born because of the sweeping and devastating ramifications of acknowledging scientific fact.

I get it. Politics always trumps science ... and humanity ... until society decides it is more convenient to change than to remain static.

 

[JanieDough]

Again. No one said they're OKAY with it. Just that it is NOT our place to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't do with their body. Do I think it's okay for people to commit suicide? Absolutely not. I am MORALLY against it.

ok so even if it is morally wrong, you're ok with some one doing it because it's their body?


to me, if I did believe it was morally wrong - like suicide or murder - i not only wouldn't want to do it, I wouldn't want other people to be allowed to do it

but I don't think it's morally wrong. which is why I am ok with others doing what they will.

I just wouldn't ever - though I guess you can't say that until you're put in the predicament.

 

[JanieDough]

Lemme give this a shot, because Ed and I are absolutely in agreement here. If you and I morally disagreed on a particular subject - meaning I would never ever do such a heinous thing (whatever it may be) and you thought it was no big deal - would you expect me to fight to limit your right to do as you wished?

We can't, and shouldn't, legislate morality. Morality needs to be left up to the individual.

wait - precursor - I'm pro choice!

I just think it's weird that if some one thinks it's morally wrong with it, they are still ok with other people doing it. (whatever it is)

to me, if I believed something was so serious as to be morally wrong, it should not be allowed.

would i go blow up people and buildings? probably not. but I wouldn't vote for the politicians that would allow people to do it. (whatever it is) :24:

and oh we SO legislate morality. Maybe we shouldn't but we do.

 

[Accountable]

wait - precursor - I'm pro choice!

I was speaking generally.

I just think it's weird that if some one thinks it's morally wrong with it, they are still ok with other people doing it. (whatever it is)

to me, if I believed something was so serious as to be morally wrong, it should not be allowed.

I think someone cheating on a spouse/partner is morally reprehensible, but I don't think there should be a law preventing it.

would i go blow up people and buildings? probably not. but I wouldn't vote for the politicians that would allow people to do it. (whatever it is) :24:

and oh we SO legislate morality. Maybe we shouldn't but we do.

Killing people should be illegal, not because it is immoral, but because it violates those people's rights to life.

 

[JanieDough]

I was speaking generally.

I think someone cheating on a spouse/partner is morally reprehensible, but I don't think there should be a law preventing it.

Killing people should be illegal, not because it is immoral, but because it violates those people's rights to life.

AHHHH tricky tricky Grasshopper!

Though adultery is technically illegal since it is grounds for divorce...