WTF is wrong with society?
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Halloween isn't about Satan. It was originally about remembering the dead. I wish people would read something meaningful once in a while. Hallween was originally a Celtic tradition. The Christians stole it and named it All Hallows Eve.
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Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in).
The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.
To commemorate the event, Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities.
During the celebration, the Celts wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.
By A.D. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. In the course of the four hundred years that they ruled the Celtic lands, two festivals of Roman origin were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain.
The first was Feralia, a day in late October when the Romans traditionally commemorated the passing of the dead. The second was a day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.
By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in A.D. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.
read up on something meaining ful before passing judgement
I've never, ever experianced or heard of any of that before, and I live in a pretty Liberal state.
I'm all for saying "happy holidays". Know why? Not everyone believes in what you do, and no, this date isn't reserved for Christians only, theres hundreds of different celebrations on that date, so why be exclusive and narrow?
Oh, and by the way, its not jesus's b-day. The Romans simply moved it to that date to squash pagan holidays and divert attention from them to further convert the population.
No, we are a secular nation. Read the constitution.
I'm not talking about a piece of paper, which was devised predominantly by Christians. I'm talking about culture and people. Our values, and certainly those emphasized in the Constitution will reflect those Christian beliefs. There is Christian ideology all over that text, and laid throughout the groundwork of our entire governing system. How could you claim that we are a secular nation? :dunno There's a reason "In God We Trust" is stamped on money.
I'm fully aware of the history behind Halloween. But for the first 18 years of my life, It was pounded into our heads by our church that it was not to be celebrated since it was Satanic in nature... Druids = hedonistic satanists. I know that isn't the case now... but try telling it to the church... you know, the same ones that fight to keep Christ in Xmas
I am still having a hard time understanding why because someone is offended, another group should not get the wish they have. An atheist somewhere is pissed off, so the Christians should not be able to practice their faith?
Eek gads. People are just way too sensitive anymore.
Eek gads. People are just way too sensitive anymore.
i have an "aunt" whose church tried telling her the same thing. Eventually she gave in and just let her daughter go trick or treating. I thought it was such BS. And few a few years we couldn't eat at thanksgiving without saying grace. It's not something we do in my family so I was pretty irritated. Don't drag others into your circle that don't want anything to do with it ya know?
true. If you don't want to partake in something thats fine but don't make a stink about others beliefs, just don't force yours upon those who don't see your point of view.
Yeah, basically like that. If you do not want church doctrine shoved down your throat, don't go.
I mean both sides are guilty if you ask me. The ACLU snobs think there is too much intolerance, so every once in a while, I have to think it's okay to free a child molester back into the streets because...Well their attorneys say so.
Jerry Fallwell thinks I am going to burn in hell, because I have not sent him a check, yada yada yada.
A fanatic is a fanatic. Simple what does not apply, let it fly.
What if a Christian gets offended by having to call it a "Holiday tree"?
:confused Why's that?
I'll use the term "X-Mas" all I want :cool My mom bought some fake, spray-on snow stuff for Christmas last year, and since it goes on a window, I went to write "X-Mas" and she goes, "Don't cross out Christ!". For fuck's sake, it's an abbreviation.
Call it a "tree"? Wait, no, that would offend vegitarians :smiley24:
The only place I notice a big hoopla about all this crap is on the Internet.
Sure the media has to have some story to stir up the far left and far right wacko's to sell advertising. But in real life I've had no problem trick or treating w/o worshiping Satan or celebrating Christmas by glorifying my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And yes I say MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Sure the media has to have some story to stir up the far left and far right wacko's to sell advertising. But in real life I've had no problem trick or treating w/o worshiping Satan or celebrating Christmas by glorifying my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And yes I say MERRY CHRISTMAS!
The only place I notice a big hoopla about all this crap is on the Internet.
Sure the media has to have some story to stir up the far left and far right wacko's to sell advertising. But in real life I've had no problem trick or treating w/o worshiping Satan or celebrating Christmas by glorifying my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And yes I say MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Oh you are so busted......I'm telling an Admin you said that
It's ok .. I didn't take it as mean :smiley31:But my take on this whole thing is .. the problem is we (we being the logical of us) won't do those things. Yet, people have complained enough to make some of those things happen .. then we just let it happen and don't say anything about it (except to each other in venting fits).
That's my whole issue. It's ok for people to complain and change (or try to change) these things .. but then when you try to complain back (and protect what you originally thought was right) .. you're not being "politically correct" (because you aren't just rolling over on the issue).
Thats what really aggravates me the most, not the "Happy Holidays" part .. holiday tree however, annoys me to no end. It just sounds retarded.
Yeah, you kinda lost the joke. :smiley24: