WTF 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy is good for?

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Let's take a look:

Here's a link where you used both spellings plus a nickname (maz) I've seen used at OTZ:
http://www.justanswer.com/uk-law/4a494-point-law-two-applications-similar-subject-submitted.html
Note, the court is a banking court.

A link that Identifies you as mazHur and Mazhar, a picture ID , with a comment of..."An attitude which built Mekran Fisheries Ltd of Karachi"
http://english.agonia.net/index.php/author/0025358/_mazHur
Linkage there further stating your involvement in Mekran Fisheries after taking it over from your father, Muzaffar Din Butt. IMO, a LOT of puffing
http://www.jacketflap.com/profile.asp?member=mazhur

So, I have maz/mazHur/Mazhar Butt deeply involved in Mekran Fisheries.


So what is this Makran Fisheries?
A little harder to tell, but enough is there to show an association with Mekran.

The defauts
https://groups.google.com/forum/?_e...s/De1CoojK0bE#!topic/pakistannews/De1CoojK0bE
Mekran defaulted on Rs 960.12 million

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...panies-whose-loans-were-written-off-by-banks/
Makran Fisheries Pvt Ltd (Imtiaz ul Haq Butt, Azhar ul Haq Butt, Tassawar ul Haq Butt, Tanveer ul Haq Butt) Rs 960.12

The defaults are the same amount

Note.
Going back to
http://www.jacketflap.com/profile.asp?member=mazhur

Note, Azhar Butt is the brother to Mazhar, our own mazHur.

Now notice that Azhur Butt is also listed in the bank loan default for Makran.

Azhur connects the family names to both businesses, but Makran is more likely a small subsidiary since it exists at the same address, seems to have a smaller business model and shares a phone number and a fax number.

http://www.mekranfisheriespvtltd.enic.pk/
9221-111456456 / 2311242 /2311240 / 2311241 / 2311268
Fax:9221-2310923

http://www.ecosecretariat.org/ECOTr...d_products/Demand_Supply_Surveys/Pakistan.doc
0092-212311240 -3Fax0092-21-2310923


Both business are listed for the same default and I've made a case that mazHur hired family, making them a family business.run by the Butt family.


http://www.pakissan.com/english/news/newsDetail.php?newsid=11840




I just made the case that you and family members were involved in both companies and bank fraud did occur with two directors being arrested, identified as Butt..



I just proved you are a liar and worthless piece of shit :D


I think you owe me, and the forum, an apology for your blowhard threats :)


edit: so again, mazHur, how did you avoid being arrested?


Rereading my post tonight I noticed two misspellings that I can't edit, so where I wrote 'Azhur', it should have been spelled 'Azhar'
Now notice that Azhar Butt is also listed in the bank loan default for Makran.

Azhar connects the family names to both businesses


And mazHur........you do owe me an apology for the many threats.
 

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WOW!

Just WOW!

Look what just popped up in a search:

http://pakistanthinktank.org/pakist...s-list-no-1-defaulter-euro-gulf-enterprises-2

LIST OF FINANCIAL TERRORISTS IN PAKISTAN: PAKISTAN’S STATE BANK LOAN DEFAULTERS LIST


Mekran Fisheries is listed as a financial terrorist.

Mekran Fisheries 960.12 ( debt in million Rs)

SHAME ON THE CORRUPT CHIEF JUSTICE OF PAKISTAN WHO HAS NOT PROSECUTED A SINGLE DEFAULTER OF NOTE,EXCEPT SOME MINOR WEAKLINGS.



The State Bank of Pakistan presented a list of loan defaulters before the Supreme Court on Wednesday October 20, 2010.

NOTHING HAPPENED SO FAR THESE THIEVES ARE WALKING FREE IN US ,EUROPE & EVEN PAKISTAN

THEY ARE CAREFREE AND CAN BUY EVERY INSTITUTION IN PAKISTAN INCLUDING THE SUPREME COURT WHICH HAS SO FAR NOT PROSECUTED A SINGLE ONE OF THE KEY DEFAULTER

I'll be posting this in mazhur's morality thread, too.
 

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Rereading my post tonight I noticed two misspellings that I can't edit, so where I wrote 'Azhur', it should have been spelled 'Azhar'





And mazHur........you do owe me an apology for the many threats.


Unfortunately I was banned till this day,,,
I didn't see the warning messages posted to me by OTZ otherwise I would have clarified...
i didn't know posting error was also an 'offense'...
also I didn't realize that i had inadvertently posted an adv....

Now listen, you tommy thin, all the names you mentioned are not mine ...and I don't need to tell you my real name, why should I tell you unless you are brought to book for defamation in a court of law?
I told you I have NO concern with the bank loan default of Mekran or azhur , azhar, or uzhur butt...
Your endeavouring despite my notices to implicate me in a terrible white collar crime is a crime in itself and you are liable to be executed for the same...

I think you haven't read the Haque Convention>?? My Canadian gal friends tells me I can sue you under that 'law' directly from Pakistan.
Be ready for a surprise ..any time!
 

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Unfortunately I was banned till this day,,,
I didn't see the warning messages posted to me by OTZ otherwise I would have clarified...
i didn't know posting error was also an 'offense'...
also I didn't realize that i had inadvertently posted an adv....
Banned
Water under the bridge.
You got smacked...get over it.
Good to see you back.
I say this because I like...follow the rules as I would hate to see a much longer ban on your account.
Ok..now that that is settled.
Can you explain how the dont ask dont tell policy will or would have any effect on the outcome of the war on terror.
 

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I think know who you are, mazHur.
You've posted poetry in your screen name at OTZ, that the poet mazHur takes credit for. That was my very first suspicion there was a connection. Using your OTZ avatar elsewhere as the poet was another.
And I've posted the links, in this thread, to show why I think you are MazHar Butt.
I've produced your poetry link where you posted a link stating your brothers are involved in Mekran when you took it over from your father.
You've used images in your flicker account here, that include yourself and an identical photo used at poetry links where you claim Mekran as a business you built up.
I've presented addresses and telephone numbers that place Mekran and Makran at the same location sharing telephone numbers and a fax.
I've presented articles describing loan defaults under the names of Mekran and Makran.
I've presented an article listing loan defaults with a name the same as your brother.


I even know a telephone number you use/used at your apartment that you also use/used at another fish business listed at the same address as Mekran Fisheries Ltd.


I told you I have NO concern with the bank loan default of Mekran or azhur , azhar, or uzhur butt..
Why do you have no 'concern'?
The loans were made in the 1996/1997 time frame.
The only reason I can fathom is that you were no longer involved with the fish business.
But when asked: 'why weren't you arrested like the others', you deny being Mazhar Butt.
However, it's apparent you ARE!!!!!
It's very difficult to believe what you post at this site because of past claims.
Your present claim, that you are not 'Mazhar Butt' who was involved in Mekran/Makran, becomes extremely dubious since my making the connection.
And that business is listed in Pakistani news articles as having had loan troubles.

Convince me you are not 'Mazhar Butt' that started Mekran Fisheries Ltd, and I'll apologize.
Until then, I stand on what I've researched.


I think you haven't read the Haque Convention>?? My Canadian gal friends tells me I can sue you under that 'law' directly from Pakistan.
Be ready for a surprise ..any time!
You could as all possibilities exist, But I've given good reason to ask you that question.

Can you give me any reason to believe you after all I've found on the internet about mazHur/Mazhar Butt and loan defaults?
 
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Banned
Water under the bridge.
You got smacked...get over it.
Good to see you back.
I say this because I like...follow the rules as I would hate to see a much longer ban on your account.
Ok..now that that is settled.
Can you explain how the dont ask dont tell policy will or would have any effect on the outcome of the war on terror.

I am not concerned with you happiness or unhappiness over my ban. they did it because they felt I had not observed certain rules, on purpose or without purpose, whatever.

the policy is yours ..you made it and you should know its impact on the so called war on derror!
 

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I think know who you are, mazHur.
You've posted poetry in your screen name at OTZ, that the poet mazHur takes credit for. That was my very first suspicion there was a connection. Using your OTZ avatar elsewhere as the poet was another.
And I've posted the links, in this thread, to show why I think you are MazHar Butt.
I've produced your poetry link where you posted a link stating your brothers are involved in Mekran when you took it over from your father.
You've used images in your photobucket account here, that include yourself and an identical photo used at poetry links where you claim Mekran as a business you built up.
I've presented addresses and telephone numbers that place Mekran and Makran at the same location sharing telephone numbers and a fax.
I've presented articles describing loan defaults under the names of Mekran and Makran.
I've presented an article listing loan defaults with a name the same as your brother.


I even know a telephone number you use/used at your apartment that you also use/used at another fish business listed at the same address as Mekran Fisheries Ltd.



Why do you have no 'concern'?
The loans were made in the 1996/1997 time frame.
The only reason I can fathom is that you were no longer involved with the fish business.
But when asked: 'why weren't you arrested like the others', you deny being Mazhar Butt.
However, it's apparent you ARE!!!!!
It's very difficult to believe what you post at this site because of past claims.
Your present claim, that you are not 'Mazhar Butt' who was involved in Mekran/Makran, becomes extremely dubious since my making the connection.
And that business is listed in Pakistani news articles as having had loan troubles.

Convince me you are not 'Mazhar Butt' that started Mekran Fisheries Ltd, and I'll apologize.
Until then, I stand on what I've researched.



You could as all possibilities exist, But I've given good reason to ask you that question.

Can you give me any reason to believe you after all I've found on the internet about mazHur/Mazhar Butt and loan defaults?

To use the politest words you are a gone case. I told you I HAVE NO CONCERN WITH THE SAID COMPANY OR IT'S LOANS OR THE PEOPLE WHO GOT ARRESTED FOR DEFAULT..Isn't that clear? If you still continue to eff around and try to fake me into the mess I will have to take some appropriate legal action against you..
Needless to say, there could be resemblances....and what you are trying to allege against me is false .and uncalled for. You have made heinous allegations against me that amount to libel...
fools like you don't even 'look before they leap' and it will be damaging your case in a court of law!

Most of the Hague convention is in French and I will ask my Canadian gal friend to translate its necessary sections under which I can send a registry to your judiciary ...at your presently known address or maybe via OTZ. (sorry mods this guy Stone is trying to make a mess of things through his black tongue)
 

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Idiota, there are 108,000,000 RESULTS on google,,,,check them all and you won't agree with any of them all your life!!

Iraq is one of the largest oil producing country in the world,,,'
does this heal up the itch you feel in your behind???
The amount of hits on google does not have have anything to do with actual production...but if you insist that the amount of hits makes it true..then you admit to PK being very gay as they rank atop in searches for "Man Fuck Ass"
As said prior..if PK were to toss out gays from the PK forces would if effect the war on terror there..as there are over 60 terrorist organization in PK.
 

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Most of the Hague convention is in French and I will ask my Canadian gal friend to translate its necessary sections under which I can send a registry to your judiciary ...at your presently known address or maybe via OTZ. (sorry mods this guy Stone is trying to make a mess of things through his black tongue)
So...if you are not the guy how is he defaming you?
 

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The amount of hits on google does not have have anything to do with actual production...but if you insist that the amount of hits makes it true..then you admit to PK being very gay as they rank atop in searches for "Man Fuck Ass"
As said prior..if PK were to toss out gays from the PK forces would if effect the war on terror there..as there are over 60 terrorist organization in PK.
To be frank your info is wrong...I think there are more than 100 terrorists groups operating in Pak and more than 1000 sub groups operating world wide,....no surprise this is all because your war on derror has been counter productive ...and wasteful.
It's a terror for the whole world...for the entire human beings on earth!

Gays are everywhere but gay culture is patently American! so you should be proud of it rather than Pak forces who love white boys for the job and the war could afford them a lot of them here in Pk as well as in Afgh...

Enjoy watching this...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/07/european-jihadi-danish-gangster-frontline-syria
 

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Stone should know what he is talking about and who he is trying to impose his aspersions upon.
Thats not what I asked.
If you are not the guy then how is he defaming you.
For instance he could say I some little midget wrestler who was smoking crack.
Since I am not..he isnt assassinating my character.
 

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To be frank your info is wrong...I think there are more than 100 terrorists groups operating in Pak and more than 1000 sub groups operating world wide,....no surprise this is all because your war on derror has been counter productive ...and wasteful.
It's a terror for the whole world...for the entire human beings on earth!

Gays are everywhere but gay culture is patently American! so you should be proud of it rather than Pak forces who love white boys for the job and the war could afford them a lot of them here in Pk as well as in Afgh...

Enjoy watching this...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/07/european-jihadi-danish-gangster-frontline-syria
How am I wrong?
I gave credible source that stated there was over 60...you said you think there are more than a hundred...isnt 60 more than 100?
Perhaps you should inform the PK forces as to these other terrorist organizations...IJS
You could become a hero by handing over 40 terrorist organizations...perhaps then the public would forgive you of your debt?
 

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Thats not what I asked.
If you are not the guy then how is he defaming you.
For instance he could say I some little midget wrestler who was smoking crack.
Since I am not..he isnt assassinating my character.


you are out of your mind,,,you ought to know LAW!

Stone is attributing the case of bank fraud to me by stating it's me, mazHur, behind it..understand? And he is straightaway wrong and culpable at law!

Your last line is childish,,,the jury will not accept that plea being irrational and absurd. Why at all one should call a person a fraud publicly and that too in repeated writings that HE is the one who defrauded the bank and went to jail? That is sufficient cause for libel...and suit for damages.

Stone is foolishly pointing his ugly finger at ME....on the basis of false evidence and that is sufficient enough cause for him to go to jail or pay me damages.
 

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How am I wrong?
I gave credible source that stated there was over 60...you said you think there are more than a hundred...isnt 60 more than 100?
Perhaps you should inform the PK forces as to these other terrorist organizations...IJS
You could become a hero by handing over 40 terrorist organizations...perhaps then the public would forgive you of your debt?
That's not my job. Let the people who are in it do their own job,
Why don't you come over to Pk or Afgh to prove you are more loyal than the king??
 

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To use the politest words you are a gone case. I told you I HAVE NO CONCERN WITH THE SAID COMPANY OR IT'S LOANS OR THE PEOPLE WHO GOT ARRESTED FOR DEFAULT..Isn't that clear? If you still continue to eff around and try to fake me into the mess I will have to take some appropriate legal action against you..
Needless to say, there could be resemblances....and what you are trying to allege against me is false .and uncalled for. You have made heinous allegations against me that amount to libel...
fools like you don't even 'look before they leap' and it will be damaging your case in a court of law!

Most of the Hague convention is in French and I will ask my Canadian gal friend to translate its necessary sections under which I can send a registry to your judiciary ...at your presently known address or maybe via OTZ. (sorry mods this guy Stone is trying to make a mess of things through his black tongue)

To use the politest words you are a gone case. I told you I HAVE NO CONCERN WITH THE SAID COMPANY OR IT'S LOANS OR THE PEOPLE WHO GOT ARRESTED FOR DEFAULT..Isn't that clear? I
No, that's not clear at all.
Looks like you have no response to my query.
Denial isn't a reason.
And I have made a connection between mazHur of OTZ and Mazhur/Mazhar Butt, poet/Mekran....and I found loan defaults concerning Mekran/Makran .

I don't like threats, mazHur.




Most of the Hague convention is in French and I will ask my Canadian gal friend to translate its necessary sections under which I can send a registry to your judiciary ...at your presently known address or maybe via OTZ.

Be sure to check out Article one.
It's pretty simple.

You have made heinous allegations against me that amount to libel.
Allegations?
A question, yes. What was the reason you weren't arrested?
(you aren't Mazhar Butt?.... what I've found does not support your claim)
 

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Thats not what I asked.
If you are not the guy then how is he defaming you.
For instance he could say I some little midget wrestler who was smoking crack.
Since I am not..he isnt assassinating my character.


you are bound to face the music if you publicly defame an innocent person of a crime which he never committed.
 

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you are out of your mind,,,you ought to know LAW!

Stone is attributing the case of bank fraud to me by stating it's me, mazHur, behind it..understand? And he is straightaway wrong and culpable at law!

Your last line is childish,,,the jury will not accept that plea being irrational and absurd. Why at all one should call a person a fraud publicly and that too in repeated writings that HE is the one who defrauded the bank and went to jail? That is sufficient cause for libel...and suit for damages.
Stone is attributing the case of bank fraud to me by stating it's me, mazHur, behind it..understand? And he is straightaway wrong and culpable at law!
Then you better GO AFTER THE SOURCE as stone did not write the articles but only gathered the information from them.
For instance if he found several articles that stated I was a midget wrestler that smoked crack...he is not guilty of creating the rumor.
See what I am getting at?
 

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No, that's not clear at all.
Looks like you have no response to my query.
Denial isn't a reason.
And I have made a connection between mazHur of OTZ and Mazhur/Mazhar Butt, poet/Mekran....and I found loan defaults concerning Mekran/Makran .

I don't like threats, mazHur.






Be sure to check out Article one.
It's pretty simple.


Allegations?
A question, yes. What was the reason you weren't arrested?
(you aren't Mazhar Butt?.... what I've found does not support your claim)


I don't threat.,..I am serious and you are trying to take law into your hands.

I DID NOTHING, DID NOT DEFAULT WITH THE BANK, HAD NO CONCERN WITH MEKRAN OR ITS AFFAIRS, SO WHY WOULD I BE ARRESTED??

YOU DON'T KNOW ME...AND ARE LIABLE FOR DAMAGES FOR COMMITTING LIBEL AGAINST AN INNOCENT PERSON ...ON THE BASIS OF FALSE AND BASELESS EVIDENCE.

JUST WAIT AND SEE.... your law will hang you upside down for your falsehood and malafide...
 
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