Would you like to travel to Karachi “the most dangerous megacity” in the world? Why and Why Not?

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mazHur

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Are you saying they lack in the abilty to control the situation due to lack of strength of the pk govt?
Not exactly. Pakistan has a huge army but plz understand Afghanistan is Pakistan's neighbor. Consequently, Pakistan cannot go all out with its forces killing Taliban in the border areas lining the two countries nor it can invade Taliban in Afghanistan.
Not all are Taliban. Pakistan army can overcome Taliban but it doesn't have the resources ( or perhaps will?) to do so because of being neighbors. Pakistan army has already lost about 5000 of its brass combating Taliban on land. NATO or American forces do not want to engage Taliban on land,,,man to man, fist to fist..because they know in that case they will suffer tooo many casualties and their citizens will shout. The US is issuing 'classified' news about its casualties and operation to keep its citizen in the dark. This happened when the Abu Gharaib bubble exploded and they woke up.

Pakistan knows that America will leave her alone after the war as it left her (admitted by Hillary Clinton and others on record) after using it's people to fight and drive away the Soviets. Talibans are the same people who were trained by America in war against Soviets..at that time they were called by the US as ''Mujahideens' or Crusaders. Ironically they came to be called 'terrorists' after they went against their 'masters'!! haha!
True what goes up comes down!!
 
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Could they not be driven back to afg...just like they were driven to pk from afg?
As said earlier they did not become a problem until they become political and provided aid to aq.
But one cant help but wonder...why the radicals to begin with?
Why do they have a passion to do harm to those with different beliefs?
We can not have armies going around and becoming religious police.
It seems this happens in areas with lack of govt..or a govt to weak to resist.
They had essentially took over afg...until we invaded for example.
My concern is pk having advanced weapons ...the tb is to be taken seriously.
With so many present and as you say..not knowing who is who....how long before a member of aq or the taliban..accesses these?
Not being abke to identify your enemy...or the inability to act upon then when you kbow where they are is of concern.
The fact that they took over afg shows thier strength. ..if these fruits access your warheads..this would be very tragic.... IJS
 

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Could they not be driven back to afg...just like they were driven to pk from afg?



As said earlier they did not become a problem until they become political and provided aid to aq.
But one cant help but wonder...why the radicals to begin with?
Why do they have a passion to do harm to those with different beliefs?
We can not have armies going around and becoming religious police.
It seems this happens in areas with lack of govt..or a govt to weak to resist.
They had essentially took over afg...until we invaded for example.
My concern is pk having advanced weapons ...the tb is to be taken seriously.
With so many present and as you say..not knowing who is who....how long before a member of aq or the taliban..accesses these?
Not being abke to identify your enemy...or the inability to act upon then when you kbow where they are is of concern.
The fact that they took over afg shows thier strength. ..if these fruits access your warheads..this would be very tragic.... IJS

Answers to some of your questions are already contained in you questions themselves.

When a country is bombed and at war an exodus of refugees moves towards bordering areas where they have their relatives or friends. Afghans moved to Pakistan border areas and then penetrated cities, are not distinguishable from their cousins in features, culture, countenance and language as well which they are able to adopt with little effort. They cannot be driven back alone by Pakistan which has an about 1500 miles long border with Afghanistan.

Previous to war on terror the Talibs had their own laws and courts of justice based on Sharia. As there is lack of rule and justice ( cases are left pending for decades without judgments and through weakening of evidence the criminals get freed) the Talibans or their cuzzo's want insist upon 'fair and speedy justice' which they think only Sharia can assure as it does in Saudia or UAE. The people who want this are tribal folks .....almost law unto themselves and upon whom the writ of govt is weak or rather absent.

CIA and ISI are conducting the operation under some arrangement best known to them. It is for the beneficiary the US to take care of the needs of the Pak army....and it is not fair for anyone to ask Pak to fight its proxy war. Let your marines fight the Talibs on ground and test their strength...Talibs are fighting only with light guns (AK42, grenades and home-made rocket launchers) while NATO forces are fully equipped with modern weaponry. It's strange that given all that the NATO forces have failed to overcome the Talibs....


Pak army is fighting the Talibs on ground....and has lost about 5000 strong, more than the US lost.

War on terror is an international dilemma the code of which is only known to the countries involved in it. I think it is a crazy war...a timid act of one who cannot defend his own country. 9/11 got done by Saudi's and not Talibs....Firstly the US was after AQ and after it got uprooted or suppressed the Taliban have been made an excuse for continuing the war .....at the expense of American tax money.

I think the US must quit and leave the Taliban matter with Pak to settle ....
Taliban still enjoy strong clout in much of Afghanistan and now they are spreading out not only to Pak but other countries of the world as well.

I think Pak army is capable of defending its nukes unless it itself wants to use them.....but I believe that won't happen being an exercise in futility.

there is too much stuff on the web ...you can find further answers to your questions there and from your own 'think tanks' who write about the problem,
 

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You forgot to point out that besides all the crime, murders and terrorism going on in your nation, your culture has a tendency to support the abuse of women.
That's just got to cut down on a lot of potential tourism ;)
 

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You forgot to point out that besides all the crime, murders and terrorism going on in your nation, your culture has a tendency to support the abuse of women.
That's just got to cut down on a lot of potential tourism ;)

Not exactly. there are random cases of abuse of women especially in the backward tribal areas or among tribal people deep inside Pak territory. That is a heinous crime and govt laws are there to punish them but if you know a bit of law you will note that nobody can be condemned unheard or without witnesses or evidence. Since this is suppressed by 'tribal people' criminal often escape due to British law in vogue and that's one of the reasons people want Sharia which is not only speedy but does clear justice with direct as well as indirect evidence.


Pakistan is a beautiful land, scenic and picturesque but due to tribal and feudal grip even I cannot tour it completely. Yes, the couner productiveness of war on terror has ended all chances of tourism as people in the North here think they are fighting a holy War ( just like Bush dreamt;)) against the occupiers and aggressors.
 

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Not exactly. there are random cases of abuse of women especially in the backward tribal areas or among tribal people deep inside Pak territory. That is a heinous crime and govt laws are there to punish them but if you know a bit of law you will note that nobody can be condemned unheard or without witnesses or evidence. Since this is suppressed by 'tribal people' criminal often escape due to British law in vogue and that's one of the reasons people want Sharia which is not only speedy but does clear justice with direct as well as indirect evidence.


Pakistan is a beautiful land, scenic and picturesque but due to tribal and feudal grip even I cannot tour it completely. Yes, the couner productiveness of war on terror has ended all chances of tourism as people in the North here think they are fighting a holy War ( just like Bush dreamt;)) against the occupiers and aggressors.


Why do I read of these abuses being held out in public view with cameramen to record these actions if it wasn't perceived by many as acceptable?
 

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Not exactly. there are random cases of abuse of women especially in the backward tribal areas or among tribal people deep inside Pak territory. That is a heinous crime and govt laws are there to punish them but if you know a bit of law you will note that nobody can be condemned unheard or without witnesses or evidence. Since this is suppressed by 'tribal people' criminal often escape due to British law in vogue and that's one of the reasons people want Sharia which is not only speedy but does clear justice with direct as well as indirect evidence.


Pakistan is a beautiful land, scenic and picturesque but due to tribal and feudal grip even I cannot tour it completely. Yes, the couner productiveness of war on terror has ended all chances of tourism as people in the North here think they are fighting a holy War ( just like Bush dreamt;)) against the occupiers and aggressors.
I had posted recently about the woman who drank from a water cup and was scheduled for execution.
She was told she can convert to islam to avoid death.
That is some fucked up shit....akin to pre historic justice. Hardly the British judicial system.
 

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Why do I read of these abuses being held out in public view with cameramen to record these actions if it wasn't perceived by many as acceptable?
They appear to be celebrations as well...very disturbing culture.
 

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Why do I read of these abuses being held out in public view with cameramen to record these actions if it wasn't perceived by many as acceptable?


mazHur?
Have you forgotten this question?

Why is this occurring out in the open and filmed as if the events are documentaries for acceptance of the abuse?
Several examples out of over 2 million hits here:
https://www.google.com/images?q=mus...m=isch&ei=JsE-U8a_OIrq2wWMqICwBQ&start=0&sa=N


stoning2.jpg


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saudi_killings.jpg


zarmina1.jpg


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violence.jpg


taliban_murder_two_women_ghazni.jpg



And this really says it all about the morality of your culture:

islam-will-dominate-the-world.jpg



Does this answer why I am not interested in visiting?
 
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Perhaps this explains why many from such regions come to America.
Its a matter of one's well being and safety.
 

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If you can still find it, read a fictional novel by Mike McQuay ( not the audio by Hagon, it's a different subject) titled 'Jitterbug'.
I read it almost 30 years ago and the morality rants of mazHur have brought it back to mind.

If your library doesn't have it, Amazon still has a listing for it:
http://www.amazon.com/Jitterbug-Mik...-1&keywords=Jitterbug++++++by+++++Mike+McQuay

Amazon review:
http://www.amazon.com/Jitterbug-Mik...660/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1

I'm going to see if my library can get it through their network with other libraries and read it again.
Not a documentary.
But is an interesting read concerning the mentality of the Muslim culture.


Edit: A wiki link to the author Mike McQuay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_McQuay
 
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If you can still find it, read a fictional novel by Mike McQuay ( not the audio by Hagon, it's a different subject) titled 'Jitterbug'.
I read it almost 30 years ago and the morality rants of mazHur have brought it back to mind.

If your library doesn't have it, Amazon still has a listing for it:
http://www.amazon.com/Jitterbug-Mik...-1&keywords=Jitterbug++++++by+++++Mike+McQuay

Amazon review:
http://www.amazon.com/Jitterbug-Mik...660/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1

I'm going to see if my library can get it through their network with other libraries and read it again.
Not a documentary.
But is an interesting read concerning the mentality of the Muslim culture.


Edit: A wiki link to the author Mike McQuay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_McQuay
Will take a look next time I am at the library.
 

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mazHur?
Have you forgotten this question?

Why is this occurring out in the open and filmed as if the events are documentaries for acceptance of the abuse?
Several examples out of over 2 million hits here:
https://www.google.com/images?q=mus...m=isch&ei=JsE-U8a_OIrq2wWMqICwBQ&start=0&sa=N


stoning2.jpg


b2_208~s600x600.jpg


729x410talibanshooting3-20120709070934956184-620x349.jpg


behead_child-vi-300x280.jpg


145507404.jpg

saudi_killings.jpg


zarmina1.jpg


stoning1%5B1%5D-738557.JPG


violence.jpg


taliban_murder_two_women_ghazni.jpg



And this really says it all about the morality of your culture:

islam-will-dominate-the-world.jpg



Does this answer why I am not interested in visiting?
It appears as if it accepted or even encouraged IMO.
Why else would they create laws to protect them...perhaps maz can explain why it is acceptable and appears to be encouraged.

Sent from the toilet.
 

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Havent heard back from maz yet on this..I do hope he did not travel to Karachi and disregard our advice.

Sent from the toilet.
 

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I wonder how long cannibalism has been going on in Pakistan?

http://tribune.com.pk/story/695443/bhakkar-cannibals-return-to-eating-human-flesh/

It was reported that the brothers had dug up and devoured parts from upto 150 bodies before they were finally caught

Since Pakistan has no specific laws against cannibalism, they were originally arrested under the Maintenance of Public Order (MPO) section of the Pakistan Penal Code (PPC), and were later charged under section 295-A of the PPC. They were sentenced to two years imprisonment and fined Rs50,000 each.
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Interestingly, the two brothers had spent most of their two year prison term in King Edwards medical college Lahore, where they were being examined by the neurophysiology department.
 
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