why is it that in america

[tinacolada]

this is totally different.

no I'm sure it's the same
wouldn't you want to give your children a better life

 

[Alien Allen]

I don’t want to brush you the wrong way, but just because you are older than me, that doesn’t make you more any more informed than me, and it most certainly doesn’t make my opinions any less valid or accurate.

If you also read what I wrote, rather than thinking I’m some dumb C+ high school student, you’d know I’m NOT saying those jobs don’t pay too little. I said an employer is MORE likely to hire someone who they would pay less money. It is called smart business, it allows for a largest profit margin. While you might appreciate someone who speaks English, other people who only have to make sure a person can properly harvest crops are going to probably want to hire the most cost-efficient worker.

As for losing work, I never said that at all. I’m saying the competition for jobs makes it harder for a male Caucasian to get a job over a Mexican immigrant. Also, when I talked about people caring greatly about low paying jobs, I was trying to highlight the need for people to want to be able to support themselves; money isn’t an issue for them so long as it’s enough to put food on the table and a roof over their head.

I'd also appreciate it if you didn't bring in something as my age or youngess into your arguement, as it is totally invalid to the arguement or my opinion.

You can call me an asshole or dumb ass. I can take it.

I did not to mean you were a stupid C+ student. But your youth puts you in a position of some ignorance. I own a business. We used to hire college students in the summer back into the 80's.

I have not seen a single college person knock on the door looking for work. Not ONE in YEARS.

It is hard manual labor. They don't want any part of it. Now I don't hire illegals either because they know they need to have a CDL license. Do you know what that is?

An legitimate American company owner is going to hire a local person first every time. If it is a legitimate business paying wages legally they must place adds to hire migrant workers. I know of some local companies that do this. You think they want to hire somebody they can't communicate without a translator? They can not find locals to do the work. They have to place the ads to be able to hire the migrants.

I suspect you are dealing with in your examples companies hiring illegals and paying less than the going rate and not declaring the wages. There are laws on the books to deal with that but the morons who support the illegals don't want them enforced.

 

[Alien Allen]

well, if you don't know...
most illegals here didn't have a say to if they wanted to come to America.
For ex. My husband. his parents moved their family here when my husband was 5.
they worked jobs most Americans would never do.
My husband worked from the age of 7 selling candy in front of stores to landscaping...
All for the American dream.
And right now he's working and bringing home all the money for us.
Yes, we wished his parents worked to get him a visa or something, but they didn't, and that's that.
If they have a good background, and haven't done anything, let them be

I take issue with the statement MOST illegals had no say in coming here. Sure there a lot of kids that get dragged in with parents. But I find it hard to believe they represent a majority. And if they do then it does not negate the fact they still here illegally. One can not pick and choose which laws are to be obeyed. Using that analogy if a teen killed somebody then if they lived a productive life for 30 years then they should not be held accountable. Sorry, but that does not seem right

 

[Hans]

Im a college student, I apply i person when I want a job. How is that ignorant? You are also making assumptions, while Im a student, I dont mind working physical labor. This summer I helped work a farm that my grandpa owned for minimum wage since they needed more hands to move the hay. Now, once I get my degree, am I going to want to do that? No, Im honing my skills to get a degree in the area I intend to work in.

Yes, I know what a drivers licenses is. Im pretty sure Ive had one for many years =\ And no, any legitimate company owners is NOT going to hire a local person everytime. You are more naive than me if you think people are motivated by good actions rather than what is going to make them the most money. Most simpleton jobs dont need to be translated. Or if they do, finding someone fluent enough to speak broken spanish and saying "harvest the farm" is not difficult.

As for hiring illegals and paying them under minimum wage, that is a common practice which is well documented, however, I am thinking more along the lines of paying a illegal immigrant 5.25 or paying a caucasian an expected 6.50, it is going to be more efficent to hire the 5.25 worker.

 

[Alien Allen]

Im a college student, I apply i person when I want a job. How is that ignorant? You are also making assumptions, while Im a student, I dont mind working physical labor. This summer I helped work a farm that my grandpa owned for minimum wage since they needed more hands to move the hay. Now, once I get my degree, am I going to want to do that? No, Im honing my skills to get a degree in the area I intend to work in.

Yes, I know what a drivers licenses is. Im pretty sure Ive had one for many years =\ And no, any legitimate company owners is NOT going to hire a local person everytime. You are more naive than me if you think people are motivated by good actions rather than what is going to make them the most money. Most simpleton jobs dont need to be translated. Or if they do, finding someone fluent enough to speak broken spanish and saying "harvest the farm" is not difficult.

As for hiring illegals and paying them under minimum wage, that is a common practice which is well documented, however, I am thinking more along the lines of paying a illegal immigrant 5.25 or paying a caucasian an expected 6.50, it is going to be more efficent to hire the 5.25 worker.

This getting to be asinine. :willy_nilly:

Come back when you grow up and know what you are talking about.

I think being in business for 30+ years gives me a better idea of who I would hire than you.

I was 20 years old once. Not that long ago that I forgot what it was like. I used to think then I knew it all also. You are the definition of Naive. Live life and then you can speak from experience. Up till now you are still a toddler in the grand scheme of things. You just don't know it.

Probably we best not continue. I have been easy on you thus far. I am pretty new here so I have held back quite a bit.

 

[Hans]

...
Come back when you can hold an arguement rather than saying "youre young" and "I have a buisness". Id hate to break it to you, but that doesnt make you any more informed on the subject than me. You are making a MASSIVE assumption that all employers are dutiful Americans who are hiring based on the fact that is what you do. Heres something that I was able to decipher in my mere 20 years being in existance; people are different. Heres something else that somehow I was able to figure out threw real life expieriences, people are in buisness to make many, and some of those peoples morals arent too great. They are more worried about how they can maximize their profit, rather than making sure speaks english. Heres another crazy little ephinay Ive had, some jobs dont require customer service, they dont even require you to talk. Infact, a lot of industry in the southern USA where statsitically most illegal mexican aliens are in residence, are manual labor. Do you need to speak english to work a field? Do you need to speak english to clean an area? Do you need to speak english to do the garbage? No.

Do I have a lot of real life working expierience? No. Does that make my opinion any less? No. I am a college student, I read/watch the news daily, and I love debating. I can find/post facual statistics ith sources to reinforce what I post, rather than doing "I have worked X long, so it must be true", which if youv taken any classes on arguementation youd know is extremely weak and circumstantial at best.

As for holding back, if youre talking on language, you should. If you cant handle discussing things in an intelligent manner, than dont post. Youve already resorted to putting yourself above me simply because I am younger than you. If youre going to keep using rudimentary, silly, put downs to try and win arguement, rather than use facts/logic, this probably isnt the place to be.

 

[Alien Allen]

Funny Shit Hans

I bet your grandparents were hippies.

You remind me of the experts on the war in Iraq who get their info from the media and ignore real life experiences which are related from those actually there fighting the war.

enjoy yourself

 

[Hans]

What the hell does any of that have to do with anything?

Not that it matters, but my Grandapa served in the armed forces and my father is in the Army. As for the rest of my family, grandma #1 was stay at home, #2 was a nurse. My other grandpa worked at NASA. Definitely hippies, thanks for insulting my family though. If you want to insult my patrotism/age/anything about me, I welcome you to it, since you are just spouting useless, ignorant information into the air to try to make yourself feel like you arent being beaten in an arguement by some dumb kid. However, this is not where you will do it.

Ill say it again, stop posting random crap just because you dont have anything else that pertains to the subject of debate, thanks.

 

[Obdurate]

There's obviously a generational gap here too. Different mindsets.

How old are both of you?

 

[Hans]

Well, in reality age shouldnt matter, as it should be based on current times. I am 20 years old.

 

[Obdurate]

I'm only 23, so I guess I'm a "know-it-all kid" too.

I don't know how old Allen is but it's always amusing to see the difference in mindsets between an older generation and a younger one.
For example: I don't believe in jobs. I believe in work. And no, I'm not lazy.

It'd be fun to see what each generation thinks of that statement.

Edit: I should say that I do in fact have a job, regardless.

 

[NicAuf]

Legal immigrants are fine.

Illegal immigrants, GTFO.

 

[gillibean]

we get the impression that any racism is a big no no....quite right to........but just mention mexican immigrants and thats all forgotten.......whats with this?..........i've seen it on this forum too.......yet we have some hispanics on here........its not as though mexicans want to do you damage,they just want a better life

Because people (general, no one specific) are hypocritical assholes.

 

[IntruderLS1]

we get the impression that any racism is a big no no....quite right to........but just mention mexican immigrants and thats all forgotten.......whats with this?..........i've seen it on this forum too.......yet we have some hispanics on here........its not as though mexicans want to do you damage,they just want a better life

I haven't read the entire thread, so my apologies if this has already been covered.

The reason Mexico is so easily identified as the problem, is because they are responsible for 90% of it. If we were being overrun with Canadians, or Chinese, I promise you, they would be the people getting the attention.

If you don't live in a boarder state, it is very difficult to understand. When you hear the word "over-run," it isn't an exaggeration. In my home town, I literally cannot read the billboards on the side of the road. They're all in Spanish. When I drive through SD on my way to a Habitat for Humanity construction site, I see more Mexican flags than American. My wife is a school teacher. In her school there are 22 white students, 57 black students, and 478 Mexican students. The strong majority of which are on welfare, free lunch program, don't speak English, and have illegal parents.

We're being "tera-formed" against our will, and it is very easy to distort the gripe into racism because the issue lies very strongly with a single type of person.

If you look at crime statistics in California, the picture become even more clear. When we finally got our boarder fence built, crime in San Diego dropped literally over 50%. I know we're not allowed to use ultimate terms like "all" anymore, but 50% is pretty damn big IMO.

 

[NicAuf]

I've seen a video where a construction group built an replica of the wall, and took 6 illegals and they got through it within 2 minutes. Kinda sad.

 

[Hans]

I haven't read the entire thread, so my apologies if this has already been covered.

The reason Mexico is so easily identified as the problem, is because they are responsible for 90% of it. If we were being overrun with Canadians, or Chinese, I promise you, they would be the people getting the attention.

If you don't live in a boarder state, it is very difficult to understand. When you hear the word "over-run," it isn't an exaggeration. In my home town, I literally cannot read the billboards on the side of the road. They're all in Spanish. When I drive through SD on my way to a Habitat for Humanity construction site, I see more Mexican flags than American. My wife is a school teacher. In her school there are 22 white students, 57 black students, and 478 Mexican students. The strong majority of which are on welfare, free lunch program, don't speak English, and have illegal parents.

We're being "tera-formed" against our will, and it is very easy to distort the gripe into racism because the issue lies very strongly with a single type of person.

If you look at crime statistics in California, the picture become even more clear. When we finally got our boarder fence built, crime in San Diego dropped literally over 50%. I know we're not allowed to use ultimate terms like "all" anymore, but 50% is pretty damn big IMO.

Id go as far as saying "pretty damn big" is a vast understatement.

I read about that, its amazing that can happen =\

 

[NRobles]

I can dislike "Illegal immigrants" and that doesn't mean I have a problem with all Mexicans. The ones who choose to come here legally are fine with me.

:homo: My husband is hispanic (from Puerto Rico) so obviously i have no problem with hispanic. it's the people that come here illegally to get free assistance that bother me.

 

[Obdurate]

One way, a good way, to get rid of the illegal immigrant problem is to get rid of the stupid border. Free movement for all.

 

[Zorak]

:homo: My husband is hispanic (from Puerto Rico) so obviously i have no problem with hispanic. it's the people that come here illegally to get free assistance that bother me.

How can they get free assistance if they are there illegally?

Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought benefits required citizenship, social security numbers or whatever you guys have out there

 

[skyblue]

How can they get free assistance if they are there illegally?

Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought benefits required citizenship, social security numbers or whatever you guys have out there

show me a starving illegal somalian in britain my friend.....get have more rights than us