why is it that in america

[skyblue]

we get the impression that any racism is a big no no....quite right to........but just mention mexican immigrants and thats all forgotten.......whats with this?..........i've seen it on this forum too.......yet we have some hispanics on here........its not as though mexicans want to do you damage,they just want a better life

 

[Maulds]

I can dislike "Illegal immigrants" and that doesn't mean I have a problem with all Mexicans. The ones who choose to come here legally are fine with me.

 

[Minor Axis]

Usually the immigrant issue is different than the racism issue however they are very much related in some peoples thinking. But saying you want immigrants to be legal is not racist in itself.

 

[Maulds]

Usually the immigrant issue is different than the racism issue however they are very much related in some peoples thinking. But saying you want immigrants to be legal is not racist in itself.

Yeah, what you said

 

[tinacolada]

I'm with you.
If you're going to come to America to give your family a better life then I am fine with that...
but if you're going to come here and join a gang and kill innocent people, then you can get the hell out.

 

[Hans]

The reason taht illegal immigrants are looked down upon, is because that in no way to they benefit this country at all. It is a fact that a lot of the illegal immigratns come here to work jobs for a period of time, and send all the money back into mexico. Hurting the monetary flow and job flow in the economy.

That, and if they want to be here, its not too hard to become a legalizd citizen...
As mentioned before, it doesnt matter that they are Mexican, it matters that they are here illegally and damaging other citizens lvies here. The same would go with any South American or asian illegal immigrant.

 

[teh_fuzz]

Hans, i know you may not have realized how you typed it, but not all money goes to mexico lol and not all illegals are mexicans, (which you stated later in the post)

I believe the problem is that the media has made this a hot topic and sadly we are in a society where the hot topic is sometimes thought of as "exempt" and can be talked about without actually using the standards that we have set for others. (does that make sense?)

 

[Hans]

I said a lot, and a lot of it does. Obviously some move here to start a better life, but a large percentage of illegal mexican aliens mail a portion of their earnings back into mexico. This does damage the American economy, as well as make it more difficult or american citizens to get a job, since mexican immigrants typically will work for less wages than an American.

Also, Ill say I am not a fan of a hyphenated America. I think maybe in the 1800s it was a melting pot of other nations, but now we are America, we have our identity. It is not fair to make exceptions to people who are not willing to accept the fact that they have moved to America. Although, I think it is just as unfair that Americans expect other people of other nations to know Enlgish.

 

[Dana]

Mexican issues don't stem from racism with alot of folks. It's the fact that illegal Mexicans are let into the country and are taking jobs away from hard working ppl that have gone to school and such because they're willing to be paid less. It happened to my cousin's family My cousin's mother in law kicked her and her huband out of their double wide trailor they have two kids so that she could have a place for immigrants to stay while they worked on the farm. They got their home back but the immigrants are still working the farm and my cousin has to cart them around to get food and shit. I have no racial problems with any race but if you're going to steal jobs away from ppl i find that a problem. Most can't even speak english.

 

[GraceAbounds]

I don't care where you are from: Mexico, Canada, or the North Pole ... don't come to the United States illegally. Period.

 

[Alien Allen]

The illegals are for the most part not stealing jobs. We have created a pansy ass society where the I, Me, MIne generation of the 60's has raised kids to think manual labor is beneath them. I want illegals OUT. Because what they are doing is ILLEGAL. But don't give me any shit they are stealing jobs. The jobs being lost are going overseas.

 

[Hans]

They arent stealing jobs, they ARE more likely to be hired over a caucasian male, since the average illegal immigrant is much more likely to work or far less. In ways though, that IS stealing a citizens jobs, because they arent supposed to even be here.

 

[Minor Axis]

I'm with you.
If you're going to come to America to give your family a better life then I am fine with that...
but if you're going to come here and join a gang and kill innocent people, then you can get the hell out.

Or how about just come here legally?

They arent stealing jobs, they ARE more likely to be hired over a caucasian male, since the average illegal immigrant is much more likely to work or far less. In ways though, that IS stealing a citizens jobs, because they arent supposed to even be here.

The U.S. can take some lessons from Canada on this one. Try sneaking into Canada and work without a permit. I guess it could happen, but my impression is that the Canadian's have their act together in this department. (Now I'm waiting for someone to accuse the Canadians of having a bankrupt system or of being socialistic. I won't mention any names.)

 

[Alien Allen]

They arent stealing jobs, they ARE more likely to be hired over a caucasian male, since the average illegal immigrant is much more likely to work or far less. In ways though, that IS stealing a citizens jobs, because they arent supposed to even be here.

Wrong. our precious little prima donas won't work at those jobs. A job is only worth so much. and can only earn one so much pay. People today expect more. The unions also implanted that idea with inflated wages such as $20 floor sweepers back in the day at the auto plants.

 

[Hans]

Uh, what? Im pretty sure Americans work at any and every job in America, even if they are white "prima donas". I can assure you taht is just an inaccurate generalization that you made up. To some people who dont have a job, it is worth EVERYTHING. To support yourself, to support your family, the need to be self-reliant , it is extremely important to a lotof people. Unions are also not involved with every job.

You seem misinformed on the subject, here are a few quick articles that will help clarify a few things.
American Thinker: The Elephant In the Immigration Room
Labor Shortages as America Approaches the Twenty-First Century | Monthly Labor Review | Find Articles at BNET
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/us/05immig.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss - pertains to acual immigrants not even being able to get a job.

 

[Alien Allen]

You are young Han. One day you will understand this kind of stuff. Don't beat yourself up. It goes with the territory at your age.

By your own words you say those jobs pay too little to want. Yet now you state that people support families with those jobs. You had the first part right. Those are low paying jobs for the most part. Without benefits as the work is seasonal in most cases. The people losing the work are kids or those who are starting out. I can assure you that as a business owner I would take a local over a Mexican I can not communicate with.

 

[tinacolada]

Or how about just come here legally?

well, if you don't know...
most illegals here didn't have a say to if they wanted to come to America.
For ex. My husband. his parents moved their family here when my husband was 5.
they worked jobs most Americans would never do.
My husband worked from the age of 7 selling candy in front of stores to landscaping...
All for the American dream.
And right now he's working and bringing home all the money for us.
Yes, we wished his parents worked to get him a visa or something, but they didn't, and that's that.
If they have a good background, and haven't done anything, let them be

 

[Dana]

well, if you don't know...
most illegals here didn't have a say to if they wanted to come to America.
For ex. My husband. his parents moved their family here when my husband was 5.
they worked jobs most Americans would never do.
My husband worked from the age of 7 selling candy in front of stores to landscaping...
All for the American dream.
And right now he's working and bringing home all the money for us.
Yes, we wished his parents worked to get him a visa or something, but they didn't, and that's that.
If they have a good background, and haven't done anything, let them be

this is totally different.

 

[Hans]

You are young Han. One day you will understand this kind of stuff. Don't beat yourself up. It goes with the territory at your age.

By your own words you say those jobs pay too little to want. Yet now you state that people support families with those jobs. You had the first part right. Those are low paying jobs for the most part. Without benefits as the work is seasonal in most cases. The people losing the work are kids or those who are starting out. I can assure you that as a business owner I would take a local over a Mexican I can not communicate with.

I don’t want to brush you the wrong way, but just because you are older than me, that doesn’t make you more any more informed than me, and it most certainly doesn’t make my opinions any less valid or accurate.

If you also read what I wrote, rather than thinking I’m some dumb C+ high school student, you’d know I’m NOT saying those jobs don’t pay too little. I said an employer is MORE likely to hire someone who they would pay less money. It is called smart business, it allows for a largest profit margin. While you might appreciate someone who speaks English, other people who only have to make sure a person can properly harvest crops are going to probably want to hire the most cost-efficient worker.

As for losing work, I never said that at all. I’m saying the competition for jobs makes it harder for a male Caucasian to get a job over a Mexican immigrant. Also, when I talked about people caring greatly about low paying jobs, I was trying to highlight the need for people to want to be able to support themselves; money isn’t an issue for them so long as it’s enough to put food on the table and a roof over their head.

I'd also appreciate it if you didn't bring in something as my age or youngess into your arguement, as it is totally invalid to the arguement or my opinion.

 

[Hans]

well, if you don't know...
most illegals here didn't have a say to if they wanted to come to America.
For ex. My husband. his parents moved their family here when my husband was 5.
they worked jobs most Americans would never do.
My husband worked from the age of 7 selling candy in front of stores to landscaping...
All for the American dream.
And right now he's working and bringing home all the money for us.
Yes, we wished his parents worked to get him a visa or something, but they didn't, and that's that.
If they have a good background, and haven't done anything, let them be

There are methods for your husband to get a visa and become legal, and I dont think most Americans want to go on an inquisition to search and destroy all alien. The fact of the matter is there is a right/wrong way to get into this nation, and it really isnt all that difficult to approach it in the proper way. Although, it seems like thee is really no reason to kick out someone who has been here, and is being an upstanding American. The only aliens that bother me are the ones who make Americans life worse, aka worsening the job situation or more importantly hurting the economy.