Who is tired of the war?? Bring on the flames!!

[dt3]

Re: RE: Who is tired of the war?? Bring on the flames!!

If so many people are not happy with Bush, why not start with the impeachment stuff again? Clinton was in danger of impeachment and all he did was sleep around. I'm sure he wasn't the first president to do that as well.
If I remeber correctly, gas prices were rather low when Clinton was president... :dunno

Clinton was impeached for lying in court about Monica, not for being a bad president. I don't know what can be done if people think the President is just a bad president.

 

[dt3]

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This war is not for the Iraqi freedom...which if it were...who do we think we are to tell them they need to be free. Isnt that sorta like saying only Catholicism is right, or only Jews are right, or maybe thats the problem there.

So we should have just let Saddam sit over there using chemical warfare on his own people? The way I see it, if something is wrong and you have the means to right that wrong, then you should

 

[lemon]

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This war is not for the Iraqi freedom...which if it were...who do we think we are to tell them they need to be free. Isnt that sorta like saying only Catholicism is right, or only Jews are right, or maybe thats the problem there.

So we should have just let Saddam sit over there using chemical warfare on his own people? The way I see it, if something is wrong and you have the means to right that wrong, then you should

but whos has the authority to say whats right and wrong?

 

[dt3]

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This war is not for the Iraqi freedom...which if it were...who do we think we are to tell them they need to be free. Isnt that sorta like saying only Catholicism is right, or only Jews are right, or maybe thats the problem there.

So we should have just let Saddam sit over there using chemical warfare on his own people? The way I see it, if something is wrong and you have the means to right that wrong, then you should

but whos has the authority to say whats right and wrong?

The U.N. said it was wrong for Saddam to have weapons of mass destructions, that's why they had all of those inspections in the first place. If he had just let the inspectors in to search wherever they wanted, I doubt we would be at war there right now. He wanted to control his neighboring countries by fear of the weapons he apparently didn't have. We basically enforced the U.N. sanction against him. That might not make it right, that's up to you to decide for yourself.

 

[lemon]

what i dont like, nor understand, is why certain people get to tell other people what is right and wrong.

i mean, i know that taking someone's life away is wrong, if its not in retaliation for that someone if they already took someone's life away.

but whos to say that what you do otherwise, is right or wrong?

 

[dt3]

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what i dont like, nor understand, is why certain people get to tell other people what is right and wrong.

i mean, i know that taking someone's life away is wrong, if its not in retaliation for that someone if they already took someone's life away.

but whos to say that what you do otherwise, is right or wrong?

Saddam took away the lives of civilian Kurds because he didn't like their entire race. So by your definition Saddam was wrong. I know this happened in the early nineties, but we couldn't finish the job the first time for whatever reason.

 

[Haus]

like i said in my other post i think the weapons of mass destruction was just an exuse. and this is just in my opinion but i think we went over there so he could do what his dad couldnt do. i saw on the news a while a go a clip of sadam talking to a news reporter and iraq was once our allie (sp?) right up until bush SR. became president

 

[CareBear3030]

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what i dont like, nor understand, is why certain people get to tell other people what is right and wrong.

i mean, i know that taking someone's life away is wrong, if its not in retaliation for that someone if they already took someone's life away.

but whos to say that what you do otherwise, is right or wrong?

First off…WMD or not…this war was supposed to be about 911. What happened to the vindication of 911???? We did not go to war initially because of the sanctions, but because of the attack on the US. How and when did it become about WMD. And if it is…then why aren’t we in Korea?

I know I’m going to sound like an extremist here….Ok, I know I already do….but here is one of the biggest irritants for me….

Who do we think we are that we are the ones that are right? Who made us God? Who gave us the power to decide who’s religion is right or wrong. Who gave us the power to decide that someone’s….AN ENTIRE COUNTRY’S…way of living is wrong? Hitler said that his way was right…are we any better? (Lord I know the CIA will be tapping my phone now….LoL!!)

You know what…their government may be wrong…they may be unfair to their citizens…even ruthless murderers…but WHO ARE WE to say?? Yes, I agree that Saddam was an awful person and leader, and one day the Iraqi’s will be better off for it. But again…nothing about 911 there!!!

The American’s supported a war against the crimes committed to us on 911. They never said they might take a detour through Iraq and forget about Osama. I can sum it all up quoting my then 10 year old son….

“Why are we in Iraq…Osama’s in Afghanistan!”

If a 10 year old mind can comprehend that we need to be going after the true mastermind of 911…then why can’t anyone else? It might be true that Saddam may have financially supported Al Qaeda…but shouldn’t we go after Al Qaeda themselves?

Its one thing to loose lives to protect our country…but its past that now. If it were about protection we’d be in Korea. They are just bold face telling us….neener neener neener….we’ve got Nukes!!! No one sees a problem with that??? We’d better save our military resources for when we really need them!

 

[dt3]

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like i said in my other post i think the weapons of mass destruction was just an exuse. and this is just in my opinion but i think we went over there so he could do what his dad couldnt do. i saw on the news a while a go a clip of sadam talking to a news reporter and iraq was once our allie (sp?) right up until bush SR. became president

Then he invaded Kuwait unprovoked. That's when we stopped being friends with him. It's not like Bush Sr went in with an agenda to oust Saddam, Saddam borught it upon himeself

 

[dt3]

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If it were about protection we’d be in Korea. They are just bold face telling us….neener neener neener….we’ve got Nukes!!! No one sees a problem with that??? We’d better save our military resources for when we really need them!

Like I said before, we CAN'T invade Korea because China would go to war against us. That's why we've been trying to handle the Korean situation diplomatically.

 

[CareBear3030]

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If it were about protection we’d be in Korea. They are just bold face telling us….neener neener neener….we’ve got Nukes!!! No one sees a problem with that??? We’d better save our military resources for when we really need them!

Like I said before, we CAN'T invade Korea because China would go to war against us. That's why we've been trying to handle the Korean situation diplomatically.

So we have to tip toe around a real threat which is China, but pull out all guns on Iraq?

Does anyone see the irony in that statement?

 

[dt3]

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If it were about protection we’d be in Korea. They are just bold face telling us….neener neener neener….we’ve got Nukes!!! No one sees a problem with that??? We’d better save our military resources for when we really need them!

Like I said before, we CAN'T invade Korea because China would go to war against us. That's why we've been trying to handle the Korean situation diplomatically.

So we have to tip toe around a real threat which is China, but pull out all guns on Iraq?

Does anyone see the irony in that statement?

China hasn't directly threatened us in 60 years, but if we go into Korea you can count on them joining in and making WWIII which is something nobody really wants. Einstein once said "I know not with which weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."

 

[Bossman351]

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This war is not for the Iraqi freedom...which if it were...who do we think we are to tell them they need to be free. Isnt that sorta like saying only Catholicism is right, or only Jews are right, or maybe thats the problem there.

So we should have just let Saddam sit over there using chemical warfare on his own people? The way I see it, if something is wrong and you have the means to right that wrong, then you should

but whos has the authority to say whats right and wrong?

The U.N. said it was wrong for Saddam to have weapons of mass destructions, that's why they had all of those inspections in the first place. If he had just let the inspectors in to search wherever they wanted, I doubt we would be at war there right now. He wanted to control his neighboring countries by fear of the weapons he apparently didn't have. We basically enforced the U.N. sanction against him. That might not make it right, that's up to you to decide for yourself

Its not a matter of whats right or wrong, we all know that killing innocent people is wrong. Its a matter of out of all of the countries that make up the UN, how did the good ole USA get chosen as the ones to go over there and enforce??

 

[CareBear3030]

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Its not a matter of whats right or wrong, we all know that killing innocent people is wrong. Its a matter of out of all of the countries that make up the UN, how did the good ole USA get chosen as the ones to go over there and enforce??

:agree :rock :rock :rock :rock

 

[lemon]

Re: RE: Who is tired of the war?? Bring on the flames!!

Its not a matter of whats right or wrong, we all know that killing innocent people is wrong. Its a matter of out of all of the countries that make up the UN, how did the good ole USA get chosen as the ones to go over there and enforce??

prolly cuz the gool ole usa thought they could get cheaper oil... look what happened...

 

[dt3]

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[quote="Bossman351] Its not a matter of whats right or wrong, we all know that killing innocent people is wrong. Its a matter of out of all of the countries that make up the UN, how did the good ole USA get chosen as the ones to go over there and enforce??[/quote]

Because the USA is the only superpower in the U.N. We have the biggest, strongest, most advanced military in the U.N. Most of the other countries are there helping out as much as they can, but like EVERY war since Korea the USA has to carry out the most of it. That's the way it's always been. I don't really think it's right either, but I don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[Phreaked]

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Because the USA is the only superpower in the U.N. We have the biggest, strongest, most advanced military in the U.N. Most of the other countries are there helping out as much as they can, but like EVERY war since Korea the USA has to carry out the most of it. That's the way it's always been. I don't really think it's right either, but I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Uh better check your facts, the UN is made up of 191 countries, theres only 30 total in iraq and im not sure if they're all in the UN. Below is the composition of those that are in the "coalition of the willing" and some are no longer in iraq.

• US and Coalition Troops
  Country Population Troops %
  US 295,734,134 135,000 85.44
  United Kingdom 60,441,457 8,000 5.06
  South Korea 48,422,644 3,600 2.28
  Italy 58,103,033 3,000 1.90
  Poland 38,635,144 1,700 1.08
  Ukraine 47,425,336 1,650 1.04
  Georgia 4,677,401 850 0.54
  Romania 22,329,977 800 0.51
  Japan 127,417,244 550 0.35
  Denmark 5,432,335 530 0.34
  Bulgaria 7,450,349 400 0.25
  Remaining 17 Countries NA 1,920 1.22

edit: cant get the columns to line up anyone know the code for it?

 

[dt3]

Re: RE: Who is tired of the war?? Bring on the flames!!

Uh better check your facts, the UN is made up of 191 countries, theres only 30 total in iraq and im not sure if they're all in the UN.

Ok...I said the US was carrying the brunt of it, which you proved. Thanks. Here's a list of all 191 countries and the date they joined:
Afghanistan -- (19 Nov. 1946)
Albania -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Algeria -- (8 Oct. 1962)
Andorra -- (28 July 1993)
Angola -- (1 Dec. 1976)
Antigua and Barbuda -- (11 Nov. 1981)
Argentina -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Armenia -- (2 Mar. 1992)
Australia -- (1 Nov. 1945)
Austria-- (14 Dec. 1955)
Azerbaijan -- (2 Mar. 1992)
Bahamas -- (18 Sep. 1973)
Bahrain -- (21 Sep. 1971)
Bangladesh -- (17 Sep. 1974)
Barbados -- (9 Dec. 1966)
Belarus -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Belgium -- (27 Dec. 1945)
Belize -- (25 Sep. 1981)
Benin -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Bhutan -- (21 Sep. 1971)
Bolivia -- (14 Nov. 1945)
Bosnia and Herzegovina -- (22 May 1992)
Botswana -- (17 Oct. 1966)
Brazil -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Brunei Darussalam -- (21 Sep. 1984)
Bulgaria -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Burkina Faso -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Burundi -- (18 Sep. 1962)
Cambodia -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Cameroon -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Canada -- (9 Nov. 1945)
Cape Verde -- (16 Sep. 1975)
Central African Republic -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Chad -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Chile -- (24 Oct. 1945)
China -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Colombia -- (5 Nov. 1945)
Comoros -- (12 Nov. 1975)
Congo (Republic of the) -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Costa Rica -- (2 Nov. 1945)
Côte d'Ivoire -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Croatia -- (22 May 1992)
Cuba -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Cyprus -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Czech Republic -- (19 Jan. 1993)
Democratic People's Republic of Korea -- (17 Sep. 1991)
Democratic Republic of the Congo -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Denmark -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Djibouti -- (20 Sep. 1977)
Dominica -- (18 Dec. 1978)
Dominican Republic -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Ecuador -- (21 Dec. 1945)
Egypt -- (24 Oct. 1945)
El Salvador -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Equatorial Guinea -- (12 Nov. 1968)
Eritrea -- (28 May 1993)
Estonia -- (17 Sep. 1991)
Ethiopia -- (13 Nov. 1945)
Fiji -- (13 Oct. 1970)
Finland -- (14 Dec. 1955)
France-- (24 Oct. 1945)
Gabon -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Gambia -- (21 Sep. 1965)
Georgia -- (31 July 1992)
Germany -- (18 Sep. 1973)
Ghana -- (8 Mar. 1957)
Greece -- (25 Oct. 1945)
Grenada -- (17 Sep. 1974)
Guatemala -- (21 Nov. 1945)
Guinea -- (12 Dec. 1958)
Guinea-Bissau -- (17 Sep. 1974)
Guyana -- (20 Sep. 1966)
Haiti -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Honduras -- (17 Dec. 1945)
Hungary -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Iceland -- (19 Nov. 1946)
India -- (30 Oct. 1945)
Indonesia -- (28 Sep. 1950)
Iran (Islamic Republic of) -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Iraq -- (21 Dec. 1945)
Ireland -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Israel -- (11 May 1949)
Italy -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Jamaica -- (18 Sep. 1962)
Japan -- (18 Dec. 1956)
Jordan -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Kazakhstan -- (2 Mar. 1992)
Kenya -- (16 Dec. 1963)
Kiribati -- (14 Sept. 1999)
Kuwait -- (14 May 1963)
Kyrgyzstan -- (2 Mar. 1992)
Lao People's Democratic Republic -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Latvia -- (17 Sep. 1991)
Lebanon -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Lesotho -- (17 Oct. 1966)
Liberia -- (2 Nov. 1945)
Libyan Arab Jamahiriya -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Liechtenstein-- (18 Sep. 1990)
Lithuania -- (17 Sep. 1991)
Luxembourg-- (24 Oct. 1945)
Madagascar -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Malawi -- (1 Dec. 1964)
Malaysia-- (17 Sep. 1957)
Maldives-- (21 Sep. 1965)
Mali -- (28 Sep. 1960)
Malta -- (1 Dec. 1964)
Marshall Islands -- (17 Sep. 1991)
Mauritania -- (27 Oct. 1961)
Mauritius -- (24 Apr. 1968)
Mexico -- (7 Nov. 1945)
Micronesia (Federated States of) -- (17 Sep. 1991)
Monaco -- (28 May 1993)
Mongolia -- (27 Oct. 1961)
Morocco -- (12 Nov. 1956)
Mozambique -- (16 Sep. 1975)
Myanmar -- (19 Apr. 1948)
Namibia -- (23 Apr. 1990)
Nauru -- (14 Sept. 1999)
Nepal -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Netherlands -- (10 Dec. 1945)
New Zealand -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Nicaragua -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Niger -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Nigeria -- (7 Oct. 1960)
Norway -- (27 Nov. 1945)
Oman -- (7 Oct. 1971)
Pakistan -- (30 Sep. 1947)
Palau -- (15 Dec. 1994)
Panama -- (13 Nov. 1945)
Papua New Guinea -- (10 Oct. 1975)
Paraguay -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Peru -- (31 Oct. 1945)
Philippines -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Poland -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Portugal -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Qatar -- (21 Sep. 1971)
Republic of Korea -- (17 Sep. 1991)
Republic of Moldova -- (2 Mar. 1992)
Romania -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Russian Federation -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Rwanda -- (18 Sep. 1962)
Saint Kitts and Nevis -- (23 Sep. 1983)
Saint Lucia -- (18 Sep. 1979)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines -- (16 Sep. 1980)
Samoa -- (15 Dec. 1976)
San Marino -- (2 Mar. 1992)
Sao Tome and Principe -- (16 Sep. 1975)
Saudi Arabia -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Senegal -- (28 Sep. 1960)
Serbia and Montenegro -- (1 Nov. 2000)
Seychelles -- (21 Sep. 1976)
Sierra Leone -- (27 Sep. 1961)
Singapore -- (21 Sep. 1965)
Slovakia -- (19 Jan. 1993)
Slovenia -- (22 May 1992)
Solomon Islands -- (19 Sep. 1978)
Somalia -- (20 Sep. 1960)
South Africa -- (7 Nov. 1945)
Spain -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Sri Lanka -- (14 Dec. 1955)
Sudan -- (12 Nov. 1956)
Suriname -- (4 Dec. 1975)
Swaziland -- (24 Sep. 1968)
Sweden -- (19 Nov. 1946)
Switzerland -- (10 Sep. 2002)
Syrian Arab Republic -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Tajikistan -- (2 Mar. 1992)
Thailand -- (16 Dec. 1946)
The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia -- (8 Apr. 1993)
Timor-Leste -- (27 Sep. 2002)
Togo -- (20 Sep. 1960)
Tonga -- (14 Sep. 1999)
Trinidad and Tobago -- (18 Sep. 1962)
Tunisia -- (12 Nov. 1956)
Turkey -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Turkmenistan -- (2 Mar. 1992)
Tuvalu -- (5 Sept. 2000)
Uganda -- (25 Oct. 1962)
Ukraine-- (24 Oct. 1945)
United Arab Emirates -- (9 Dec. 1971)
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland-- (24 Oct. 1945)
United Republic of Tanzania -- (14 Dec. 1961)
United States of America -- (24 Oct. 1945)
Uruguay -- (18 Dec. 1945)
Uzbekistan -- (2 Mar. 1992)
Vanuatu -- (15 Sep. 1981)
Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) -- (15 Nov. 1945)
Viet Nam -- (20 Sep. 1977)
Yemen -- (30 Sep. 1947)
Zambia -- (1 Dec. 1964)
Zimbabwe -- (25 Aug. 1980)





My point is OF COURSE all 191 countries are not involved in Iraq. Should we expect Seychelles and Myanmar and the Bahamas to be able to help us fight a war? I don't think so. Yes, there are some notable holdouts in the UN like Spain and Germany, but 95% of these countries are too poor to help themselves, much less support a foreign war. Not sending troops and not supporting our actions are two different things. WE ARE THE UN That shouldn't surprise anybody.

 

[AtlanticBlue99]

plus if we didnt want the UN anymore, kick the group out of NYC

 

[Phreaked]

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Ok...I said the US was carrying the brunt of it, which you proved. Thanks. Here's a list of all 191 countries and the date they joined:

My point is OF COURSE all 191 countries are not involved in Iraq. Should we expect Seychelles and Myanmar and the Bahamas to be able to help us fight a war? I don't think so. Yes, there are some notable holdouts in the UN like Spain and Germany, but 95% of these countries are too poor to help themselves, much less support a foreign war. Not sending troops and not supporting our actions are two different things. WE ARE THE UN That shouldn't surprise anybody.

Other notable "hold outs" as you put it are Canada, Mexico, France, Austria. Russia and 156 others....as for you being the UN well thats just arrogance, just because your the only super power at this moment doesnt mean the it is always going to be that way, and has only been true for about 20 years. That is the sort of statement that makes the US loose support for ANY kind of war and makes people dislike you more, just because you CAN do something doesnt mean you SHOULD do it.

My point was it's 85% of total troops, and 94% of combat troops (roughly), that is not a coalition that is a unilateral war, as i said in another post you dont bring sticks to a gun battle. If there was truly a good reason/immenient threat then NATO would have been involved, anyone remember what NATO is and do you know why only 1 member of NATO, other than the US is in Iraq?