Who is the epitome of Evil, God or Satan?
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1. Is it moral for either God or man to sit and do nothing, or even hold back, life saving measures from a dying child?
Scripture shows God barring the way to the tree of life.
God has not done nothing.... in fact he has fought through mans existance to get us back on the right path ... He has been patient enough to allow us to search out every possible way of surviving here on his earth. He sent his Son Jesus
Christ to once and for all save us and bring peace to the earth and do away with death. Mankind have shut him out and mocked him and sunk back time after time into immorality and for the first time in history the earth is in danger of destruction . He will not allow the earth to be destroyed and he will step in to restore it back to its original state of beauty. If a parent has not taught their children about their creator then it is man that is definately guilty of holding back life saving measures from their children. To give God a time frame to gather together a nation that freely want to serve him is typically a human response that clearly has not reflected thought, understanding and a search for the truth . As you can see by the scripture below , God has given us a way back to the tree of life .....
Revelation 22
Eden Restored
1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
2. Is it Moral, for parents or God, to add on a group of as yet unknown consequences, to some infraction that a child may have done?
Through Adam, Satan /sin / death / the curse entered the world .... Do you think that the two conversations that God had with Adam were the only conversations they ever had . What we do know is that God said.....
Genesis 2:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Adam and Eve not only disobeyed God but they believed Satans lie. So when you tell a young child dont touch that hot plate because it will hurt and you will get burnt ... 9 times out of 10 the child will touch the hot plate and from there on in they understand what hot , burnt and hurt really means . It is in our nature to learn by experience. If not we would be programmed robots wouldnt we . Not all learning experiences are painful either . I know i would much rather be a free spirit with the ability to learn and make choices. Everything has had a purpose and we could maybe be justified in questioning Gods purposes if there was not a perfect result but there will be ....We know this as His word is true and his prophetic word has never failed.
Revelation 21:3-4
New International Version (NIV)
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[a] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
Scripture shows God barring the way to the tree of life.
God has not done nothing.... in fact he has fought through mans existance to get us back on the right path ... He has been patient enough to allow us to search out every possible way of surviving here on his earth. He sent his Son Jesus
Christ to once and for all save us and bring peace to the earth and do away with death. Mankind have shut him out and mocked him and sunk back time after time into immorality and for the first time in history the earth is in danger of destruction . He will not allow the earth to be destroyed and he will step in to restore it back to its original state of beauty. If a parent has not taught their children about their creator then it is man that is definately guilty of holding back life saving measures from their children. To give God a time frame to gather together a nation that freely want to serve him is typically a human response that clearly has not reflected thought, understanding and a search for the truth . As you can see by the scripture below , God has given us a way back to the tree of life .....
Revelation 22
Eden Restored
1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
2. Is it Moral, for parents or God, to add on a group of as yet unknown consequences, to some infraction that a child may have done?
Through Adam, Satan /sin / death / the curse entered the world .... Do you think that the two conversations that God had with Adam were the only conversations they ever had . What we do know is that God said.....
Genesis 2:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Adam and Eve not only disobeyed God but they believed Satans lie. So when you tell a young child dont touch that hot plate because it will hurt and you will get burnt ... 9 times out of 10 the child will touch the hot plate and from there on in they understand what hot , burnt and hurt really means . It is in our nature to learn by experience. If not we would be programmed robots wouldnt we . Not all learning experiences are painful either . I know i would much rather be a free spirit with the ability to learn and make choices. Everything has had a purpose and we could maybe be justified in questioning Gods purposes if there was not a perfect result but there will be ....We know this as His word is true and his prophetic word has never failed.
Revelation 21:3-4
New International Version (NIV)
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[a] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
You're making the same mistake that I made when I first got here
I know what you mean i think but hopefully it is never a mistake to speak the truth ....
I thoroughly enjoyed the lecture by John Shelby Spong. Thank you for posting it!
Greatest I am
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We are to not be prideful in the sense of taking pleasure in our accomplishments.
God is doing just that.
I do not think pride a sin at all but dogma does.
I am proud of my children, wife and family. Are you?
Are we sinning?
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DL
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Thanks for preaching and ignoring the questions.
I hope you would not ignore your dying child the same way but cannot tell from your preaching.
Perhaps you are a J W so your answer would be yes that you would let your child die.
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DL
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Well no i am not a Jehovah Witness ...and no if i could help it i would not let my child die of course. It is a shame for you that you dont ask these questions with the attitude of actually considering the answer
. As for pride being a sin well if it becomes egotistic pride then yes it becomes a sin . Sin is anything that falls short of what God requires of us.
Not true. Conception and gestation are completely naturual processes under the control of the organism's DNA which is inherited from the parents. God does not play a part. Occam's razor requires we eliminate God from this process as he has been eliminated from other natural processes.
I don't know about that. But why do you hold men to a higher standard than God?
Maybe, maybe not. We don't know, and we probably never will know.
And who should care, really? Apatheism FTW.
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Well no i am not a Jehovah Witness ...and no if i could help it i would not let my child die of course. It is a shame for you that you dont ask these questions with the attitude of actually considering the answer
Perhaps but to the issue of children, you have broken the first commandment if you do not follow your God's teachings. You are supposed to emulate him and saving your child goes against the example that your imaginary invisible absentee Bible God gave you.
Sinner.
Regards
DL
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Those who are persecuted by religion and if we do not look out for them, what does that say about us?
It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are Religionists.
They all hurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief. They make us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a Godhead but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Belief in fantasy is evil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1
They also do much harm to their own.
African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related
Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBv8tv62yGM
Promoting death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related
For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do is nothing.
Fight them when you can.
Regards
DL
"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”
Minor Axis
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They probably don't exist as we imagine them...
But from the traditional we-know-all-about-God view, it's all a big game that God and Satan having fun with using us as the pawns.
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They probably don't exist as we imagine them...
But from the traditional we-know-all-about-God view, it's all a big game that God and Satan having fun with using us as the pawns.
And most of us get rooked.
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DL
I agree, but what are you gonna do about it? You're always going to have a psycho fundamentalist in your religion. Just like you're going to have a psycho atheist. Doesn't mean that civilized people shouldn't literally follow their Bibles.
It could very well be the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. If God exists, it'd be safe to assume he can't be comprehended by humans.
You believe the bible is meant to be followed literally? And should be followed literally?
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Then he could never be followed the way he wants because we could never give him what he wants because we could never dither him out and then man would live in fear forever. Quite the existence.
Would you vote for a politician you could not understand and whose policies were a mystery?
Of course not so why would anyone follow a God who is just as incomprehensible?
that would be insanity.
Regards
DL
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